Proof for praying to saints

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BMSODM said:
Your right again šŸ‘

I will say that I dont agree with this teaching. I beleive Godā€™s Mercy will cover all sin. If of course there heart is truelly repentive. I donā€™t beleive the cannon law is always right. I think history can prove that. But with that being said until its changed God does desire obedience and we are suppose to be obedient to the Church and Her teachings.

Iā€™m struggling with this. I want to be merciful but I also want to be obedientā€¦:confused:

Blessings***
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But see I do not see where this is going against cannon law. If cannon law says a Bishop has to make the call, You donā€™t know what the Bishopā€™s call is going to be. I am sure the Bishop is gonna be like this Why did you have an abortion lets say. And the person says well you know I had my job, money, selfish reasons and really isnt repentant. See what I mean, if someone really isnā€™t sorry or really donā€™t feel they did wrong, well then why should you be forgiven. See what I mean, because you canā€™t forgive someone who isnā€™t really sorry. So the Bishop will never kick this person out of Church, but no communion. Then we have the later and of course he says you are forgiven and go in peace. See what I mean? And remember the Bishop has one advocate on his side!
 
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Chris_LaRock:
Then no offense Chris, but I can see why you donā€™t go to church. And I can see why you canā€™t find the right church. You are looking for perfect people not sinners and they will not be found in the Church,

Actually Chris they will not be found on this earth. Except maybe you Chris, you must be perfect. The only person I ever met was Jesus, but you arenā€™t like him either, he forgave sinners.:signofcross:

So good luck with finding that Church Chris:angel1:Let me know when you find it. But for me I will stick with the Church Jesus left me.:highprayer: Its as close to :heaven: on earth I can find. Because I find Jesus there. šŸ¤·
 
Maybe if a saint appeared to the Pope himself, he would take a more agressive stance on excommunication?

Just thinking . . . we have all read the story of the Saint who converted the doctor to pro-life. If this whole ā€˜praying to the saintsā€™, and ā€˜saints making intercessionā€™ is true, good Catholics should ask these Saints to do that?
 
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Chris_LaRock:
Also Chris I donā€™t know how old you are, But I sure hope you have perfect kids to. :banghead: :bigyikes:
 
Chris_LaRock said:
Murderers who refuse to repent of it have no place in the church.šŸ˜›
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I donā€™t like what theyā€™re doing anymore than you do. But I donā€™t think YOU get to decide who has a place in church. The priest can refuse them communion. They canā€™t, and wouldnā€™t, make them leave the church.
 
rinnie said:
Actually Chris they will not be found on this earth. Except maybe you Chris, you must be perfect. The only person I ever met was Jesus, but you arenā€™t like him either, he forgave sinners.:signofcross:
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He doesnā€™t forgive blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
 
rinnie said:
Also Chris I donā€™t know how old you are, But I sure hope you have perfect kids to. :banghead: :bigyikes:
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Iā€™m not claiming to be perfect. But all of this wimpy sugar-coated ā€˜charityā€™ so-called catholics extend to child killers is disgusting. Our economy and pocket book has become our gods in America.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
He doesnā€™t forgive blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
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Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, simply put, is thinking you have no need to ask for forgiveness, and therefore not doing it. He forgives when we ask for it.
 
bookgirl32 said:
Or a tax collector, or an adulterer . . .
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They donā€™t bother me as much. Jesus said looking with lust is adultery, so that would mean we all are.

Unless one is born blind.

But getting back to saints and prayer to them. Why not pray to the saints to have them petition God to do away with this evil we see all around us?
 
Chris_LaRock said:
šŸ˜ƒ 26

Iā€™m not claiming to be perfect. But all of this wimpy sugar-coated ā€˜charityā€™ so-called catholics extend to child killers is disgusting. Our economy and pocket book has become our gods in America.
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Thank God for wimpy sugar-coated charity, or none of us would have any chance.
 
rinnie said:
But see** I do not see where this is going against cannon law.** If cannon law says a Bishop has to make the call, You donā€™t know what the Bishopā€™s call is going to be. I am sure the Bishop is gonna be like this Why did you have an abortion lets say. And the person says well you know I had my job, money, selfish reasons and really isnt repentant. See what I mean, if someone really isnā€™t sorry or really donā€™t feel they did wrong, well then why should you be forgiven. See what I mean, because you canā€™t forgive someone who isnā€™t really sorry. So the Bishop will never kick this person out of Church, but no communion. Then we have the later and of course he says you are forgiven and go in peace. See what I mean? And remember the Bishop has one advocate on his side!
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The reason I am struggling is because There are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people who have went before a priest and confessed being part of an abortion over this life time and I find it hard to beleive that if there heart was truelly repentive that after a priest absolved them of there sin that they are not forgiven because they didnt go before a Bishop. This teaching I beleive isnā€™t a correct teaching by the cannon law.

So that is why I struggle between mercy and obedience in this matter of abortionā€¦
 
bookgirl32 said:
Thank God for wimpy sugar-coated charity, or none of us would have any chance.
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True charity is respect and forgiveness. The wimpy, sugar-coated charity I speak of is where you refuse to call evil things evil for the sake of not ā€˜offendingā€™ anyone. Sometimes you have to rebuke people to make them see their need to repent.

ā€œTherefore knowing the terror of the Lord, we may persuade men.ā€
St. Paul
 
Chris_LaRock said:
They donā€™t bother me as much. Jesus said looking with lust is adultery, so that would mean we all are.

Unless one is born blind.

But getting back to saints and prayer to them. Why not pray to the saints to have them petition God to do away with this evil we see all around us?
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Hi Chris, šŸ‘‹

Actually my group, over 9,000 in my city alone, 1,2 Million in USA pray the rosary everyday for the end of abortion. I also stand in front of abortions clinics. This saturday from 730AM until 1030 AM they are preforming abortions at Planned parenthood. Over 100 of us have pledged to be there. And what are you doing this week to end abortion except argue with Catholics?

God Bless**
 
Realcatholicgk said:
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Hi Chris, šŸ‘‹

Actually my group, over 9,000 in my city alone, 1,2 Million in USA pray the rosary everyday for the end of abortion. I also stand in front of abortions clinics. This saturday from 730AM until 1030 AM they are preforming abortions at Planned parenthood. Over 100 of us have pledged to be there. And what are you doing this week to end abortion except argue with Catholics?

God Bless**
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Iā€™m working with pro-life groups and making suggestions to them.
 
Chris_LaRock said:
Well, I have sent gospel tracts to abortion mills. I plan to do so again soon.
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Hi Chris, šŸ‘‹
That is a waste of time and money buddy, Pay someone to stand out front! That is better then giving them something to laugh at! Do you actually think people who could work there would listen to gospel tracts? They just go to church on Sundays and listen!

God Bless**
 
BMSODM said:
The reason I am struggling is because There are thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people who have went before a priest and confessed being part of an abortion over this life time and I find it hard to beleive that if there heart was truelly repentive that after a priest absolved them of there sin that they are not forgiven because they didnt go before a Bishop. This teaching I beleive isnā€™t a correct teaching by the cannon law.

So that is why I struggle between mercy and obedience in this matter of abortionā€¦
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Hi BM, šŸ‘‹

Click and read This article.

Actually Bishops are premitted to allow their priest to offer absolution for it. Once a priest absolves the sin it is forgiven. The Bishopā€™s restriction on his priest giving absolution is anothe matter. The priest could say ā€œI am not permitted to gorvive this sin, you must go see my Bishop! to have it forgivenā€ If he just forgives the sin, it is forgiven! And yes this is being debated by cannon lawyers but most would agree with this stance! Also If the person didnā€™t believe it was a sin, There was no sin committed! When they ā€œrealizedā€ it was a sin, theythen had to confess it but it isnā€™t the same grave matter as the person who ā€œKnewā€ abortion was a mortal sin and did it anyway! That is much more serious and bears more serverly on the soul of the sinner.
Bishops can withhold authority of their priests in any area he so desires. He is the shephard of that flock of Jesusā€™ sheep!
Once a person is excommunicated, they must go to a Bishop to be reinstated into the chucrh the same as when they became members in the first place. That in no way means that their sin has not been forgiven, they just need to ā€œreafirmā€ their faith. That makes sense to me!

God Bless**
 
Realcatholicgk said:
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Hi BM, šŸ‘‹

Click and read This article. **

Actually Bishops are premitted to allow their priest to offer absolution for it. Once a priest absolves the sin it is forgiven. The Bishopā€™s restriction on his priest giving absolution is anothe matter. The priest could say ā€œI am not permitted to gorvive this sin, you must go see my Bishop! to have it forgivenā€ If he just forgives the sin, it is forgiven! And yes this is being debated by cannon lawyers but most would agree with this stance! Also If the person didnā€™t believe it was a sin, There was no sin committed! When they ā€œrealizedā€ it was a sin, theythen had to confess it but it isnā€™t the same grave matter as the person who ā€œKnewā€ abortion was a mortal sin and did it anyway! That is much more serious and bears more serverly on the soul of the sinner.
Bishops can withhold authority of their priests in any area he so desires. He is the shephard of that flock of Jesusā€™ sheep!
Once a person is excommunicated, they must go to a Bishop to be reinstated into the chucrh the same as when they became members in the first place. That in no way means that their sin has not been forgiven, they just need to ā€œreafirmā€ their faith. That makes sense to me!

God Bless
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While I wish that was the case its not the teaching of the Church.
I was very surprised to find this outā€¦read from the link I am giving you. Notice #5 and #6ā€¦

catholicdoors.com/faq/qu80.htm
 
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