Prop 8: Sorry, I gotta ask

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Benedictus said:
This has nothing to do with protecting marriage or family. Same sex couples aren’t a threat to your marriages or families. This is just an attempt to impose your religion’s rules on everyone else. Ironically, many of the biggest advocates of measures like proposition 8 are the same ones hypocritically complaining about governmental intrusions in their lives.
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You’re not denying a particular religion… you’re denying ‘natural law’. Big difference.

No religion ‘anywhere’ views homosexual behavior as ‘normal’.
 
Legalize gay marriage would just be the first step in blurring the lines.

Eventually all lines will be blurred and everything will be one. Call me crazy, but in the End Times, isn’t everything under one big umbrella? One world government? One world religion?
 
yellowbicycle said:
Catholics, and others who were opposed to Prop 8 saw it as an attack on the family. I think it would be fair to say that a large number of our nation’s problems can be tied back to the disintegration of the family unit. So I don’t think people saw this as an isolated issue. It’s more of a cause and effect. People feel that if you protect marriage, and the family and life, that is in fact the solution to many of the problems you just named.
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Well put.

I second that statement. :clapping:
 
Benedictus said:
This has nothing to do with protecting marriage or family. Same sex couples aren’t a threat to your marriages or families. This is just an attempt to impose your religion’s rules on everyone else. Ironically, many of the biggest advocates of measures like proposition 8 are the same ones hypocritically complaining about governmental intrusions in their lives.
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:tsktsk:

It has EVERYTHING to do with protecting marriage and family.
 
Benedictus said:
Ironically, many of the biggest advocates of measures like proposition 8 are the same ones hypocritically complaining about governmental intrusions in their lives.
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Proposition 8 is a reaction to the government intruding in our lives by forcing.

If the government had left marriage alone in the first place, then there would be no need to use Prop 8 to restrict the government from adopting an erroneous definition of marriage.
 
Benedictus said:
This has nothing to do with protecting marriage or family. Same sex couples aren’t a threat to your marriages or families. This is just an attempt to impose your religion’s rules on everyone else. Ironically, many of the biggest advocates of measures like proposition 8 are the same ones hypocritically complaining about governmental intrusions in their lives.
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The only hypocrites I see are on the pro-Gay agenda side. They say we are shoving our morality? They are the one shoving Sodom and Gomorrah immorality down the throats of the populace. The sooner they are eliminated as an influence on society the better. If not, the implosion of society from their perversions will get closer and closer.
 
The sooner they are eliminated as an influence on society the better
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WOW! And how would you go about effecting this elimination? Homosexual death camps the likes of Auschwitz and Dachau?
 
Brendan said:
No, a simple to conversion to Moral Truth would suffice.
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Then pray for those with whom you disagree and act towards them in charity. Had the poster used those same words in reference to the Jewish community, he would have had the Anti-Defamation League after him. Being patient with those in error is a spiritual work of mercy.
 
Blade_and_Blood said:
War, Epidemics, Rape, Murder, Poverty… Recession ?!], and people decide to protest against gay marriage… Really? Am I the only one who’s amazed by this?
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I am amazed so few are concerned. I mean failure to see the serious immorality and consequences of this agenda really says much about society and individuals.
 
beckycmarie -

Thank you for posting the link to that very important article (page 2). I had no idea how things had changed in that state!

I urge all Catholics to ask Our Lady of America for her intercessory prayers.
 
I would say that Augustine was right when he said:
  1. “Why, then, does truth generate hatred, and why does thy servant who preaches the truth come to be an enemy to them who also love the happy life, which is nothing else than joy in the truth–unless it be that truth is loved in such a way that those who love something else besides her wish that to be the truth which they do love. Since they are unwilling to be deceived, they are unwilling to be convinced that they have been deceived. Therefore, they hate the truth for the sake of whatever it is that they love in place of the truth. They love truth when she shines on them; and hate her when she rebukes them. And since they are not willing to be deceived, but do wish to deceive, they love truth when she reveals herself and hate her when she reveals them. On this account, she will so repay them that those who are unwilling to be exposed by her she will indeed expose against their will, and yet will not disclose herself to them.” (Augustine, Confessions 10.23.34)
This was written such a long time ago, and yet it still speaks the truth in modernaty. I’m not sure who mentioned this, but it is still amazing that even after it was brought up again, it is still being ignored. I am referring to Prop. 4 allowing minors to get an abortion without the consent of their parents. How could this have slipped through the cracks, and why aren’t we hearing about it.

It seems as if we are *letting *the realtivists win.
 
Benedictus said:
This has nothing to do with protecting marriage or family. Same sex couples aren’t a threat to your marriages or families. This is just an attempt to impose your religion’s rules on everyone else. Ironically, many of the biggest advocates of measures like proposition 8 are the same ones hypocritically complaining about governmental intrusions in their lives.
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Are you kidding me? You obviously are not trying to raise children in this morally-declining pit of a world we live in. I find it repugnant to have to explain to my child how and why 2 men are living togther as a married couple. And that is just the tip of the iceberg!
 
SumEns said:
It seems as if we are *letting *the realtivists win.
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You’re not the only one who thinks so:

"For Christians, the moment has arrived to free themselves from a false inferiority complex… to be valiant witnesses of Christ."

—Stanislaw Cardinal Rylko, President of the Pontifical Council for the Laity, LifeSiteNews.com, Nov. 20th, 2008
 
The “no” on 8 folks fail to acknowledge certain values of marriage that are not encouraged under the current system. If the system were to encourage “right behavior,” in a more diverse way, acknowledging the natural roots of the institution, -then-, we could allow additional “ice cold” natural law philosophy, regarding the excercise of responsibility rights from one brother to another. This system would leave sexuality out except in the case that a man and a woman marry. It would leave the term marriage to the people, and ignore it at the state level.
 
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