Proper Dress and Behavior for Catholic Men

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Agripa, may I suggest that what is being discussed here in this thread is not someone who cannot afford better clothing, but those who very much can afford better but do not, for whatever reason, dress up for Holy Mass. That’s very different from what St. James is describing.

As the saying goes, “A text without a context is a pretext for a prooftext.”
What is being discussed are the judgments and admonissions of the prideful and the arrogant (I find many in church, especially sitting in the front pews.) What is being discussed are blanket assertions about how people dress in church and generalizations made about them. I stand fully by the quote provided and no man will tell me how to interpret a passage. Churchy folks ought to keep there eyes tightly on the alter or the bible and not worry about what folks are wearing. 👍
 
I agree. It’s probably not the best analogy.
Actually it’s quite good, because it’s parallel to the Wedding Feast in the New Testament, where people are turned away for not wearing wedding garments. 🙂

That turning away represents being turned away into Hell.

In this example the first person turned away hasn’t been ‘told’ to wear proper garments. He is expected to know it.

The Wedding Feast represents the mass and Heaven. In the earlier example, the priests too are going for an encounter with God – representing again the mass and Heaven.

One could say that the earlier example was priests only and so only liturgical garb, but that is not the case when one sees the Wedding Feast example, so both serve for the larger purpose – it is proper to wear appropriate garments depending on the place, person, or event.

And as has been indicated before… this is. . THE most important event. 😃
 
I stand fully by the quote provided and no man will tell me how to interpret a passage.
Well I guess that pretty much puts an end to the discussion then (unless one of the ladies here can chime in) 😉
 
I go to a TLM sometimes. It’s 45 miles away so it’s a once a month thing for me. The men there wear suits, or sometimes slacks and a shirt. Some of them wear tennis shoes, but they are clean and neat ones. Neatness and modesty - that’s the ticket.
 
Well I guess that pretty much puts an end to the discussion then (unless one of the ladies here can chime in) 😉
Be glad to.Unlike some of our separated brethren, Catholics have Church teaching to guide us through Scripture.
We don’t need to rely on any “man” or woman for that matter to interpret for us.Nor do we rely on personal interpretations or revelations.
That said, I have to mention some of the posts here are a bit chilling.Nothing like a friendly welcome to a Latin Mass…:rolleyes:“Dress thus or risk being smited.” Great recruiting line.
 
I have only 2 in clans I am assoicated with by blood: Gunn & Skene. The Skene is my nicest one. I have 15 others that I am in no way attached to. I just like the colors.
Good for you.👍 My grandpa wore one as a child. (Stewart & Robertson Clans.)
We used to have someone wear a kilt to Mass on New Year’s.Everyone enjoyed it at church.
 
I agree, I think it is more in your heart than what is on your back. I don’t really care what people wear, I like to talk with them and see their attitude. I like a person more for who they are instead of how they look.
James 2 (New International Version) 1My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don’t show favoritism. 2Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. 3If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, “Here’s a good seat for you,” but say to the poor man, “You stand there” or “Sit on the floor by my feet,” 4have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? :eek:
 
Mark Chapter 15: 16-20 No mention of Jesus owning “seamless robe”
Matthew Chater 27: 28 & 35 No mention of Jesus owning “seamless robe”
Luke Chapter 23: 34 No mention of Jesus owning “seamless robe”
John Chapter 19: 23 Seamless tunic mentioned…but please tell me how this translates that this would be "expensive clothing? Seriouly, I want to know. I find it incomprehensable that Jesus, living a poor mans life would himself dress in an expensive garment. Am I missing something? Anyone explaine this to me.
You have not missed a thing and you are very perceptive. Gold Star for you today! 👍
 
Indeed, and the Lord killed His priests for wearing the wrong garments. Struck them dead, right before their families. More than once.

Disagree with God on this? Take it up with Him and be thankful He delays judgment in these times.

The garments you wear don’t matter? It’s only the inside? Utter nonsense. A lie of the world. Popular. And a ** lie.**

The interior matters. The exterior matters. Both matter.

The outside only doesn’t matter when you are excused via reason of impossibility or greater gravity.
OK, so let God judge me then.
 
Indeed, and the Lord killed His priests for wearing the wrong garments. Struck them dead, right before their families. More than once.

Disagree with God on this? Take it up with Him and be thankful He delays judgment in these times.

The garments you wear don’t matter? It’s only the inside? Utter nonsense. A lie of the world. Popular. And a ** lie.**

The interior matters. The exterior matters. Both matter.

The outside only doesn’t matter when you are excused via reason of impossibility or greater gravity.
Sounds like a truly loving and forgiving God to me!! 😃
 
Sounds like a truly loving and forgiving God to me!! 😃
This is getting silly. Nobody here has advocated bopping anyone over the head because they aren’t dressed “just so” for Mass.

This really is one of those traditionalist/non-traditionalist divides. Traditionally, Catholicism has been culturally transforming, it has brought grace and civility to low cultures. And all high cultures (not just Catholic ones) and even a lot of low ones acknowledge that one dresses up for important events. But now there is a large segment of Catholics who are pretty much fine just aping our secular and increasingly low culture, rather than looking to our venerable Catholic heritage to inform our attitudes even to such things as clothing and manners.

There have been some here who are consistent, in that they don’t dress up for anything. I consider that a special case, to be dealt with separately, but it has the real advantage of consistency. What I still cannot quite get my head around are those who **would **dress up for other important events, like a job interview or a date, but will not dress up for Sunday Mass (or at the very least don’t think it really matters.) If someone can explain the logic behind that, I’d appreciate it.
 
This is getting silly. Nobody here has advocated bopping anyone over the head because they aren’t dressed “just so” for Mass.

This really is one of those traditionalist/non-traditionalist divides. Traditionally, Catholicism has been culturally transforming, it has brought grace and civility to low cultures. And all high cultures (not just Catholic ones) and even a lot of low ones acknowledge that one dresses up for important events. But now there is a large segment of Catholics who are pretty much fine just aping our secular and increasingly low culture, rather than looking to our venerable Catholic heritage to inform our attitudes even to such things as clothing and manners.

There have been some here who are consistent, in that they don’t dress up for anything. I consider that a special case, to be dealt with separately, but it has the real advantage of consistency. What I still cannot quite get my head around are those who **would **dress up for other important events, like a job interview or a date, but will not dress up for Sunday Mass (or at the very least don’t think it really matters.) If someone can explain the logic behind that, I’d appreciate it.
I can’t but I applaud your post.
 
This really is one of those traditionalist/non-traditionalist divides.
I couldn’t disagree more. When it come to matters of doctrine, you’re not going to find any one more traditional than me. To me, it is a generation gap. Some people are more accustomed to seeing people more dressed up while others aren’t. I’ve searched my Catechism, and I can’t find anything that says that I am required to dress up in order to pay respect to the Lord.

I would LOVE to wear my wedding dress to Mass, except that A) I would draw attention away from the True focus of Mass and B) I would freeze to death in the winter.

This issue is really not worthy of this much thought. I will second the “neat/clean and modest” rule that other people have said. I am at Mass for Jesus, not for a fashion show or to impress my fellow parishioners. Perhaps it would be easier if they just handed out Snuggies at the door so we could all look like cult members and no one would need to worry themselves about who was or was not dressed “appropriately.” As someone said, how about we keep our eyes on the prize (Jesus on the crucifix and in the Blessed Sacrament) and stop checking out the speck in our neighbor’s eye?
 
I couldn’t disagree more. When it come to matters of doctrine, you’re not going to find any one more traditional than me. To me, it is a generation gap. Some people are more accustomed to seeing people more dressed up while others aren’t. I’ve searched my Catechism, and I can’t find anything that says that I am required to dress up in order to pay respect to the Lord.
I’d like to get back to you on this one.
This issue is really not worthy of this much thought. I will second the “neat/clean and modest” rule that other people have said.
Okay, I have an honest question, not trying to be a dork. Modest I can understand, there’s a moral issue there. But why neat and clean? If it really, truly doesn’t matter how we look on the outside, then why must it be neat and clean? If the answer is because dirty and tattered wouldn’t be honoring to God, then perhaps we’ve started to find some common ground.
 
I will answer the question with a question. What was Jesus wearing during “THE LAST SUPPER”?
 
This is getting silly. Nobody here has advocated bopping anyone over the head because they aren’t dressed “just so” for Mass.

This really is one of those traditionalist/non-traditionalist divides. Traditionally, Catholicism has been culturally transforming, it has brought grace and civility to low cultures. And all high cultures (not just Catholic ones) and even a lot of low ones acknowledge that one dresses up for important events. But now there is a large segment of Catholics who are pretty much fine just aping our secular and increasingly low culture, rather than looking to our venerable Catholic heritage to inform our attitudes even to such things as clothing and manners.

There have been some here who are consistent, in that they don’t dress up for anything. I consider that a special case, to be dealt with separately, but it has the real advantage of consistency. What I still cannot quite get my head around are those who **would **dress up for other important events, like a job interview or a date, but will not dress up for Sunday Mass (or at the very least don’t think it really matters.) If someone can explain the logic behind that, I’d appreciate it.
Well said! The truth is lots of people here just don’t want to bother showing up in anything other than ‘comfortable clothes’ in other words their casual wear, or whatever they have on… and seek to say that anyone who says this is a bad way to approach God in the mass is judgmental, etc. when in fact we are informed by tradition on this matter… and by the virtue of modesty…

Both very lacking in society today. But then these ridiculous statements to the contrary, nitpicking, loopholing rather than looking at the spirit of the matter – That if you care about God, you care enough to dress well for Him.

The idea that ‘God doesn’t care’ it’s ‘all on the inside’, and the blame the people who are trying to tell you that He does and casting them in a bad light is all a red herring, and off base.

Fundamental it is this: If you care about God, you care about how you dress for Him. You understand that in Holy Scripture and in Holy Tradition, He cares about how you present yourself before Him.

So you should take care to do so properly. 🙂 And it can be a pleasure to do so too if you do it.

‘Anyone who has the habit of speaking before God’s majesty as if he were speaking to a slave, careless about how he is speaking, and saying whatever comes into his head and whatever he’s learned from saying prayers at other times, in my opinion is not praying. Please, God, may no Christian pray in this way.’

St. Teresa of Jesus
 
I couldn’t disagree more. When it come to matters of doctrine, you’re not going to find any one more traditional than me. To me, it is a generation gap. Some people are more accustomed to seeing people more dressed up while others aren’t. I’ve searched my Catechism, and I can’t find anything that says that I am required to dress up in order to pay respect to the Lord.

I would LOVE to wear my wedding dress to Mass, except that A) I would draw attention away from the True focus of Mass and B) I would freeze to death in the winter.

This issue is really not worthy of this much thought. I will second the “neat/clean and modest” rule that other people have said. I am at Mass for Jesus, not for a fashion show or to impress my fellow parishioners. Perhaps it would be easier if they just handed out Snuggies at the door so we could all look like cult members and no one would need to worry themselves about who was or was not dressed “appropriately.” As someone said, how about we keep our eyes on the prize (Jesus on the crucifix and in the Blessed Sacrament) and stop checking out the speck in our neighbor’s eye?
Actually some of the folks I’ve seen at Latin Masses do look like cult members.:rolleyes:
Sorry,only half serious, but sometimes it’s true.
 
Actually some of the folks I’ve seen at Latin Masses do look like cult members.:rolleyes:
Sorry,only half serious, but sometimes it’s true.
Oh yeah, and some of the folks I’ve seen at the Novus Ordo look like…oh, never mind :D.
 
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