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MartinJordan
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Every prophet should declare Jesus Christ is our Lord and God, anything else pales and lacks focus.
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tonyfish58
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Martin - A study of those Religions may give one a pleasant surprise as to subjects such as this!
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MartinJordan
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He who does not gather with me, scatters (Luke 11:23). And the Book of James says, The double minded man is unstable in all his ways (James 1:8).
Single heartedness focusing on Christ (the Son of God) is critical.
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Single heartedness focusing on Christ (the Son of God) is critical.
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marywarfield
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Which are those? Islam and Buddhism? Or Mormonism
and Joseph Smith? All major religions since Christ.
I would have to say I disagree with you.
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hasantas
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I think those verses point and show prophet Muhammed.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another aComforter, that he may babide with you for ever; John, Chapter 14:16
20 And as for aIshmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; btwelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.OT. Genesis:Chapter17:20
18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.OT Deuteronomy:18/18
33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. OT Deuteronomy:33/2 (19 And God aopened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.
20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an aarcher.
21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a awife out of the land of bEgypt. Genesis 19-21 (Paran=Mecca where İsmail were placed )
John: 16
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is aexpedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the bComforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will areprove the world of sin, and of brighteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of asin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to asay unto you, but ye cannot bbear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the aSpirit of truth, is come, he will bguide you into all ctruth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will dshew you things to come.
John:15
26 But when the aComforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall btestify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear awitness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
John:14
15 ¶If ye alove me, bkeep my ccommandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another aComforter, that he may babide with you for ever;
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: afor the bprince of this cworld cometh, and hath nothing in me.
Psalm:72
8 He shall have adominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.
9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall abow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall abring presents: the kings of Sheba and bSeba shall offer gifts.
11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
İsaiah:42
1 Behold my aservant, whom I uphold; mine belect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have cput my dspirit upon him: he shall bring forth ejudgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor alift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3 aA bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the aisles shall wait for his law.
9 Behold, the aformer things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell byou of them.
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Matthew_Light
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Gautama Buddha appeared approximately 500 years before Christ, so Buddhism definitely doesn’t belong on the list of prophets after Jesus.
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marywarfield
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Good point
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marywarfield
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I believe the Mormons would be happy to argue
with you since just as Islam has the Koran and Muhammad
they have Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon.
And with both the teachings by, from and about Jesus
are so corrupted it does make one wonder at the
validity of the prophet statues, it does.
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Tom_Baum
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You wrote, “This is also easy to understand. God is All-Knowing, and so the prophets were decreed well before the creation of the universe. It is no claim to divinity.”
Concerning this, “it doesn’t explain when Jesus said “Before Abraham was, I was and I am.” and many more.”
God knew who the prophets were going to be before creation but the “prophets” did not come into being until they came into being and Jesus clearly said that He was before Abraham which was quite a while before Jesus came into being as God-Incarnate.
Jesus did NOT say that God knew about Him before Abraham, He said, “Before Abraham, I AM”, quite a difference.
You wrote, “This is also easy to understand. God is All-Knowing, and so the prophets were decreed well before the creation of the universe. It is no claim to divinity.”
Concerning this, “it doesn’t explain when Jesus said “Before Abraham was, I was and I am.” and many more.”
God knew who the prophets were going to be before creation but the “prophets” did not come into being until they came into being and Jesus clearly said that He was before Abraham which was quite a while before Jesus came into being as God-Incarnate.
Jesus did NOT say that God knew about Him before Abraham, He said, “Before Abraham, I AM”, quite a difference.
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eddie_too
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i believe there are Three Persons in the One God.
i believe that Jesus Christ is the Second Person in the One God who became Incarnate of the Virgin Mary.
i believe that Jesus’ sacrificial death on the Cross atoned for my sins and the sins of the world.
i believe that Jesus founded the RCC so that the graces His life, death and resurrection provided for mankind would remain available until the end of this material world; and, He founded it so that His Holy Spirit might be present in the world through the RCC.
i believe this because God has given me the gift of faith to believe these things.
however, even though my faith is entirely a gift from God, it is also completely supported by the use of human reason.
for example, Jesus said He would raise Himself from the dead. the people who Jesus chose to be the foundation of His Church testify that the tomb was empty and that Jesus ate with them after His death and resurrection and that they touched Him after His death and resurrection. that is one reason that supports my gift of faith. there are others.
i believe that Jesus Christ is the Second Person in the One God who became Incarnate of the Virgin Mary.
i believe that Jesus’ sacrificial death on the Cross atoned for my sins and the sins of the world.
i believe that Jesus founded the RCC so that the graces His life, death and resurrection provided for mankind would remain available until the end of this material world; and, He founded it so that His Holy Spirit might be present in the world through the RCC.
i believe this because God has given me the gift of faith to believe these things.
however, even though my faith is entirely a gift from God, it is also completely supported by the use of human reason.
for example, Jesus said He would raise Himself from the dead. the people who Jesus chose to be the foundation of His Church testify that the tomb was empty and that Jesus ate with them after His death and resurrection and that they touched Him after His death and resurrection. that is one reason that supports my gift of faith. there are others.
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eddie_too
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the life, death and resurrection of Jesus provides mankind with many teachings that are not available in any other religions.
more specifically, religions that men stared after Jesus’ ascension into heaven have not added anything of substance to the teachings of Jesus. anything of substance, i mean anything that is new and required for mankind’s salvation or redemption.
more specifically, religions that men stared after Jesus’ ascension into heaven have not added anything of substance to the teachings of Jesus. anything of substance, i mean anything that is new and required for mankind’s salvation or redemption.
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Gabriel_of_12
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In all fairness to the Islamic faith. I agree with their position of rejecting Chrisitianity in general.
Because Islam has an Arian heretical view of Christianity which Islam teaches against. I agree with their rejection of Islam’s heretical view of Christianity because it is never Catholic teaching what Islam rejects.
How can Islam reject Catholicism when it does not even know or understand correctly what the Catholic faith teaches and believes?
Catholics never believe that Jesus was just a prophet man for God.
Catholics never believe that the Virgin Mary, Jesus and God is the Christian Trinity, only Islam from the Quran teaches such a heretical view of the Triinity.
Islam claims to their prophet Muhammad.
Christianity claims to her prophets infused with the Spirit of God and she foretells of many prophets to come, but these prophets we know to be false. Because the false prophets will deny the Son of God. And anyone who denies the Son of God, does not have the Father see 1 John. and they bring a new gospel that is accursed, according to the New Testament and the revelations of Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God incarnate.
Because Islam has an Arian heretical view of Christianity which Islam teaches against. I agree with their rejection of Islam’s heretical view of Christianity because it is never Catholic teaching what Islam rejects.
How can Islam reject Catholicism when it does not even know or understand correctly what the Catholic faith teaches and believes?
Catholics never believe that Jesus was just a prophet man for God.
Catholics never believe that the Virgin Mary, Jesus and God is the Christian Trinity, only Islam from the Quran teaches such a heretical view of the Triinity.
Islam claims to their prophet Muhammad.
Christianity claims to her prophets infused with the Spirit of God and she foretells of many prophets to come, but these prophets we know to be false. Because the false prophets will deny the Son of God. And anyone who denies the Son of God, does not have the Father see 1 John. and they bring a new gospel that is accursed, according to the New Testament and the revelations of Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God incarnate.
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Servant19
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IgnatianPhilo;11757474:
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No your not, you were teaching exactly what the Quran teaches in the full context for Muslims to Lie and decieve their enemies at all costs in order to save a Muslims’ life in order to conquer all other religions under Islam.
That was an excellent post you wrote:thumbsup:
Excuse me please…
Can you please point out where exactly any Baha’i has lied and deceived anyone in this thread or any other thread?
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Matthew_Light
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First, Servant19 is a Baha’i not a Muslim. However what you just wrote is a rather unfair reading of the Quranic teachings of Taqiyya (that one can dissimulate regarding one’s being a Muslim when threatened with death). And in any event, Taqiyya is explicitly forbidden in the Baha’i Faith. In fact, Baha’is who practiced Taquiyya to escape oppressive regimes such as Iran are in fact severely sanctioned (disciplined) by the Baha’i administration. The Baha’i standard is absolute truthfulness and honesty.
Second, Baha’u’llah’s given name is Husayn Ali Nuri, not Ali Husayn.
Third, from what I read in this forum Servant19 never made the claim that you have to follow Baha’u’llah to be saved. It was another Baha’i who made that claim.
The Baha’i Faith is a religion of orthopraxy not orthodoxy. That means Baha’is can and often do have different understandings of the teachings (such as the precise nature of “salvation”, and who exactly qualifies as “saved”). What unites us is our commitment to the Baha’i scriptures and the Baha’i covenant (sanctioned leadership of the Faith). It doesn’t mean we are lying - it means the Baha’i teachings on this topic are complex instead of simplistic, so different Baha’is can and do have different opinions on it.
My own personal opinion is that God is not very interested at all in our particular religious beliefs, that what matters to Him is the extent of our sanctification, how much we give up our own self-centeredness in order to serve Him, and that this is the true standard as upheld in the Baha’i Writings (and indeed in the Gospels and Qur’an as well!) But it possible to read the Baha’i Writings in a different way (one could perhaps call it a more literalist / fundamentalist way) and insist that in this Day acceptance of Baha’u’llah’s station is required by God for the highest levels of attainment in the next life.
That’s certainly not my belief nor how I read the relevant texts, but I am not an authorized interpreter of the Baha’i teachings (and the door to official interpretation in the Baha’i Faith is now closed permanently in the Faith, as those given the authority to do so are now deceased and no new authorized interpreters shall be forthcoming.
The way I see things, there are stages of sanctification, starting with being a sincere seeker (“seek and ye shall find”) to accepting the blessing of relationship with God (the Abrahamic stage) to following the law in search for righteousness (the Mosaic stage), to entering the Kingdom of God (what the Lord Christ showed us / being born again). And those who followed Christ on that path of sanctification were taken even further along through Christ’s spiritual guidance, such as Julian of Norwich, Saint Paul of the Cross, Saint Hildegard of Bingen and many others. I view the highest level of sanctification is an absolute and complete letting go of our personal willfulness in favor of God’s Will in all things.
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MartinJordan
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Any “prophet” after Jesus who says anything different to what Jesus already commanded must be rejected. No matter how clever, they try to be with words and thousands of sayings etc, or say anything different is simply creating a God of their OWN making and also disrespecting and having lack of honoring Jesus’ accomplished work.
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tonyfish58
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To which you are entitled to do. The question you ask can only be answered by you
I have my answer to which I will share with you. The Prophets/Manifestations I see that have definitely come after Christ are Muhammad, the Bab and Baha’u’llah.
The rest fall a tad short
God Bless and Regards Tony
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Servant19
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Any Prophet that comes and says the EXACT same things that Jesus did and nothing more would render God and His Prophet a joke …
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tonyfish58
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The Prophets after Christ stand by their Word, they do not need our support
You can not Focus on them without also Focusing on Christ, there is no difference! It is just a small mind change to the Oneness of God and the Oneness of His Purpose in Doing as He Willeth!
God Bless and Regards Tony
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MartinJordan
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As I said, creating God in their own image.Any Prophet that comes and says the EXACT same things that Jesus did and nothing more would render God and His Prophet a joke …
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