Prophets after Jesus

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Hi Josh,

In the sense in which the expression ‘Son of God’ is used in the Bible, i.e. as a beloved of God, I have no problems with saying ‘Yes’.
Okay.
Why should I believe he is God in the first place, when he did not even say ‘I am God, worship me’? You believe he was God NOT because he said so, but because you have been told so that by other people who have been believing so. And this belief of theirs seems to be based on questionable interpretations of biblical passages.
Actually, I don’t believe he is God because the Catholic Church told me so, and I don’t believe anyone could ‘tell’ someone that Jesus is God, not even Jesus himself, people have to see it, thus why he said “The things I do by my fathers authority show who I am” and asked the disciples 'Who do you say that I am"

Thus when Pilate would say: “Are you the King of the Jews?”, Jesus replied: “Does that question come from you or are you repeating what others told you about Me?” (John 18:33-34)
IF he was God, then there was no need to avoid the issue. Was he afraid of people?

Peace.
I believe there is if he wants people to love him for who he is and not fear him because of his omnipotence. If he wants people to obey him out of love and not out of fear, what he said and did makes much sense I believe.

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Hi Matthew 🙂

Happy fasting period firstly. I pray you have a spiritually reviving month of fasting dear brother.
Thank you! And you as well…
What would you say was the purpose, from your understanding, of Bah’u’llahs coming to mankind?
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To bring about the spirit of unity, that men and women of different races, creeds, religions and levels of consciousness could learn to live together in love and respect for one another’s differences. Not by converting everyone to our religion (we’ve had that idea of “unity” for a long time) but to teach and demonstrate that there is ONE TREE, and all of humanity are its leaves and branches. I think this passage by Abdu’l-Baha summarizes the Baha’i spirit perfectly:

"Bahá’u’lláh has given full teachings to the world which are conducive to fellowship and unity in religion. Throughout past centuries each system of religious belief has boasted of its own superiority and excellence, abasing and scorning the validity of all others. Each has proclaimed its own belief as the light and all others as darkness. Religionists have considered the world of humanity as two trees: one divine and merciful, the other satanic; they themselves the branches, leaves and fruit of the divine tree and all others who differ from them in belief the product of the tree which is satanic. Therefore, sedition and warfare, bloodshed and strife have been continuous among them. The greatest cause of human alienation has been religion because each party has considered the belief of the other as anathema and deprived of the mercy of God.

The teachings specialized in Bahá’u’lláh are addressed to humanity. He says, “Ye are all the leaves of one tree.” He does not say, “Ye are the leaves of two trees: one divine, the other satanic.” He has declared that each individual member of the human family is a leaf or branch upon the Adamic tree; that all are sheltered beneath the protecting mercy and providence of God; that all are the children of God, fruit upon the one tree of His love. God is equally compassionate and kind to all the leaves, branches and fruit of this tree. Therefore, there is no satanic tree whatever—Satan being a product of human minds and of instinctive human tendencies toward error. God alone is Creator, and all are creatures of His might. Therefore, we must love mankind as His creatures, realizing that all are growing upon the tree of His mercy, servants of His omnipotent will and manifestations of His good pleasure.

Even though we find a defective branch or leaf upon this tree of humanity or an imperfect blossom, it, nevertheless, belongs to this tree and not to another. Therefore, it is our duty to protect and cultivate this tree until it reaches perfection. If we examine its fruit and find it imperfect, we must strive to make it perfect. There are souls in the human world who are ignorant; we must make them knowing. Some growing upon the tree are weak and ailing; we must assist them toward health and recovery. If they are as infants in development, we must minister to them until they attain maturity. We should never detest and shun them as objectionable and unworthy. We must treat them with honor, respect and kindness; for God has created them and not Satan. They are not manifestations of the wrath of God but evidences of His divine favor. God, the Creator, has endowed them with physical, mental and spiritual qualities that they may seek to know and do His will; therefore, they are not objects of His wrath and condemnation. In brief, all humanity must be looked upon with love, kindness and respect; for what we behold in them are none other than the signs and traces of God Himself. All are evidences of God; therefore, how shall we be justified in debasing and belittling them, uttering anathema and preventing them from drawing near unto His mercy? This is ignorance and injustice, displeasing to God; for in His sight all are His servants."
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Thank you, God bless you too 🙂

🙂 Nice analogy, but I believe it does not apply in the regard you wish to use it, as worshipping false God’s and sacrificing food to false idols would not be considered ‘*a different type of food’ *it’s considered ‘a type of poison’.

The damage done to souls through things like ouji boards, fortune telling, tarot cards and such black arts is enourmous, so these practices are very far from a different kind of food, they are poisons and if people wish to place the ‘ratsak poison’ in amongst the health food isle of the supermarket, than that I believe is just asking for trouble.

Thank you for reading
Josh
You’re sincerity for the spiritual welfare of those who can easily be lead astray is exemplary, dear Josh.

This, what you write, is of course the crux of it.

You have a duty to God to assess the necessary credentials that proved to you that Jesus was indeed who He said He was.

Why did some Jews living a hundred years after Jesus crucifixion say that Jesus was the Son of God and Messiah, yet some proclaimed, and still do, that He was a false idol , a “different type of food” and indeed, “a poison”?

Why were some convinced and some were not?

It is your duty to utilize ALL your God-given faculties to determine whether Baha’u’llah is a “poison” or indeed the Head of the Banquet of The Lord.

🙂
 
Thank you! And you as well…

To bring about the spirit of unity, that men and women of different races, creeds, religions and levels of consciousness could learn to live together in love and respect for one another’s differences. Not by converting everyone to our religion (we’ve had that idea of “unity” for a long time) but to teach and demonstrate that there is ONE TREE, and all of humanity are its leaves and branches. I think this passage by Abdu’l-Baha summarizes the Baha’i spirit perfectly:

"Bahá’u’lláh has given full teachings to the world which are conducive to fellowship and unity in religion. Throughout past centuries each system of religious belief has boasted of its own superiority and excellence, abasing and scorning the validity of all others. Each has proclaimed its own belief as the light and all others as darkness. Religionists have considered the world of humanity as two trees: one divine and merciful, the other satanic; they themselves the branches, leaves and fruit of the divine tree and all others who differ from them in belief the product of the tree which is satanic. Therefore, sedition and warfare, bloodshed and strife have been continuous among them. The greatest cause of human alienation has been religion because each party has considered the belief of the other as anathema and deprived of the mercy of God.

The teachings specialized in Bahá’u’lláh are addressed to humanity. He says, “Ye are all the leaves of one tree.” He does not say, “Ye are the leaves of two trees: one divine, the other satanic.” He has declared that each individual member of the human family is a leaf or branch upon the Adamic tree; that all are sheltered beneath the protecting mercy and providence of God; that all are the children of God, fruit upon the one tree of His love. God is equally compassionate and kind to all the leaves, branches and fruit of this tree. Therefore, there is no satanic tree whatever—Satan being a product of human minds and of instinctive human tendencies toward error. God alone is Creator, and all are creatures of His might. Therefore, we must love mankind as His creatures, realizing that all are growing upon the tree of His mercy, servants of His omnipotent will and manifestations of His good pleasure.

Even though we find a defective branch or leaf upon this tree of humanity or an imperfect blossom, it, nevertheless, belongs to this tree and not to another. Therefore, it is our duty to protect and cultivate this tree until it reaches perfection. If we examine its fruit and find it imperfect, we must strive to make it perfect. There are souls in the human world who are ignorant; we must make them knowing. Some growing upon the tree are weak and ailing; we must assist them toward health and recovery. If they are as infants in development, we must minister to them until they attain maturity. We should never detest and shun them as objectionable and unworthy. We must treat them with honor, respect and kindness; for God has created them and not Satan. They are not manifestations of the wrath of God but evidences of His divine favor. God, the Creator, has endowed them with physical, mental and spiritual qualities that they may seek to know and do His will; therefore, they are not objects of His wrath and condemnation. In brief, all humanity must be looked upon with love, kindness and respect; for what we behold in them are none other than the signs and traces of God Himself. All are evidences of God; therefore, how shall we be justified in debasing and belittling them, uttering anathema and preventing them from drawing near unto His mercy? This is ignorance and injustice, displeasing to God; for in His sight all are His servants."
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Thank you dear Matthew.

How can this unity of religion be achieved if 1 billion Catholics and 1 billion Muslims claim that Baha’u’llah is a false prophet and has received messages from Satan himself?

How can this unity be achieved when 1 billion Catholics claim that the Quran is indeed Satanic in large part, was written by the whisperings of Satan and that Muhammad was a deceiver?

The Baha’is will accept a lot and forsake a lot for unity of everyone. But will the Muslims and Christians do the same? Why would they if there is no example to aspire towards?

God bless you brother.
 
Hi Josh,

In the sense in which the expression ‘Son of God’ is used in the Bible, i.e. as a beloved of God, I have no problems with saying ‘Yes’.
Christ is the ****only **** son of God. (John 3:16). Christ was born of a Virgin through **the **Holy Spirit of God.
Why should I believe he is God in the first place, when he did not even say ‘I am God, worship me’? You believe he was God NOT because he said so, but because you have been told so that by other people who have been believing so. And this belief of theirs seems to be based on questionable interpretations of biblical passages.
Where is this principle that Christ has to say what you demand?

No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6).
IF he was God, then there was no need to avoid the issue. Was he afraid of people?

Peace.
No need according to whom? Afraid according to whom?

You tell Josh that he believes because he has been told so and yet it seems you suffer from your own accusation.

I know its hard to understand, but Christ was fully God and fully human. In order to fulfill the law and the prophets. He was according to plan. None of us get to change the plans and to determine how the plan needs to be carried out.

If he would have been only fully God - the law and the prophets would not have been fulfilled.

It is fulfilled and the deposit of faith was once and for all time delivered to the Apostles and carried by Christ’s Church forward.
 
Thank you dear Matthew.

How can this unity of religion be achieved if 1 billion Catholics and 1 billion Muslims claim that Baha’u’llah is a false prophet and has received messages from Satan himself?
1 billion Catholics do not claim this!

Some do, some see Baha’u’llah as inspired by God.
How can this unity be achieved when 1 billion Catholics claim that the Quran is indeed Satanic in large part, was written by the whisperings of Satan and that Muhammad was a deceiver?
Again, 1 billion Catholics do not believe this. Some do, but some see the good in many Muslims.

“Catholics” and “Muslims” are not some kind of monolithic mass marching in lockstep, all seeing and believing the same thing.
The Baha’is will accept a lot and forsake a lot for unity of everyone
There is nothing more important than for the children of men to learn to see one another as the children of One God.
. But will the Muslims and Christians do the same? Why would they if there is no example to aspire towards?
God bless you brother.
And God bless you too! 🙂

All of creation is inspired by the power of this Day. Some recognize the Name and worship it, others simply respond to the spirit of this age with love and service, and others sense the spirit and out of fear seek to oppose it.

It is not what religion people belong to that is important, but how their soul responds to the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
 
I believe the purpose of the Bahai Community is to create saints out of every single person on earth. As I said, to “see Christ in ALL things”

I don’t believe that is a redundant endeavour 🙂

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Well actually yes it is redundant. That is what the
Church has been doing for two thousand years already.
So can you give just one example if why it is necessary
for Bahai to come along later? Wasn’t Christ Himself present
and living for you in the Eucharist good enough?
 
Thank you dear Matthew.

How can this unity of religion be achieved if 1 billion Catholics and 1 billion Muslims claim that Baha’u’llah is a false prophet and has received messages from Satan himself?

How can this unity be achieved when 1 billion Catholics claim that the Quran is indeed Satanic in large part, was written by the whisperings of Satan and that Muhammad was a deceiver?

The Baha’is will accept a lot and forsake a lot for unity of everyone. But will the Muslims and Christians do the same? Why would they if there is no example to aspire towards?

God bless you brother.
If Bahaullah was indeed a Manifestation of God, then most of those billions would have already accepted him as such by now - you should not underestimate the ability of a real Manifestation to influence the masses.

Although Bahaullah was an important Prophet, he was not a ‘Son of God’, you can not expect him to be able to achieve the actual unity of all religions even though that was his intention.

You just have to wait for the next Manifestation of God for the unity to happen.
 
If Bahaullah was indeed a Manifestation of God, then most of those billions would have already accepted him as such by now - you should not underestimate the ability of a real Manifestation to influence the masses.

Although Bahaullah was an important Prophet, he was not a ‘Son of God’, you can not expect him to be able to achieve the actual unity of all religions even though that was his intention.

You just have to wait for the next Manifestation of God for the unity to happen.
At any one point in history, what percentage of the worlds population were Christians?

Was there ever a time when true “influence of the masses” occurred, as you point out openmind?

🙂

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Well actually yes it is redundant. That is what the
Church has been doing for two thousand years already.
So can you give just one example if why it is necessary
for Bahai to come along later? Wasn’t Christ Himself present
and living for you in the Eucharist good enough?
Dear Mary, it never is what God can do for me and if it is good enough 🙂

It is ALWAYS about what I can do for God, and how I can bring about His Kingdom on earth, a dream which has for thousands of years been prayed for and never accomplished, but the time is this Age…

Here are a few examples…

bahai.org/frontiers/

I would dearly love to see similar examples of Catholic community empowerment if you are aware of any videos etc 🙂

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1 billion Catholics do not claim this!

Some do, some see Baha’u’llah as inspired by God.

Again, 1 billion Catholics do not believe this. Some do, but some see the good in many Muslims.

“Catholics” and “Muslims” are not some kind of monolithic mass marching in lockstep, all seeing and believing the same thing.

There is nothing more important than for the children of men to learn to see one another as the children of One God.

And God bless you too! 🙂

All of creation is inspired by the power of this Day. Some recognize the Name and worship it, others simply respond to the spirit of this age with love and service, and others sense the spirit and out of fear seek to oppose it.

It is not what religion people belong to that is important, but how their soul responds to the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
Thank you for this Matthew 🙂

Some points to reflect on for sure…but you do realise that with your quote of Abdu’l-Baha you are definitely pointing to a different community than what is the Catholic model, the model of the two trees as opposed to the one tree?

Or do you read that passage differently?

🙂
 
At any one point in history, what percentage of the worlds population were Christians?

Was there ever a time when true “influence of the masses” occurred, as you point out openmind?

🙂

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It is true that the spread of Christianity was pretty slow in the centuries immediately after the coming of Jesus, but picked up rapidly in later centuries - word of mouth takes time to spread.

But today we are in a globalized, interconnected world - word of mouth is actually spread electronically.

If anything is to spread world wide, it will have already happened in a few years.

The Bahai faith is also expanding (like many other faiths), but hardly at the pace of Twitter. I don’t think that the Bahai Faith is the one which will succeed in uniting the world religions.
 
Dear Mary, it never is what God can do for me and if it is good enough 🙂

It is ALWAYS about what I can do for God, and how I can bring about His Kingdom on earth, a dream which has for thousands of years been prayed for and never accomplished, but the time is this Age…

Here are a few examples…

bahai.org/frontiers/

I would dearly love to see similar examples of Catholic community empowerment if you are aware of any videos etc 🙂

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My phone won’t open your video sorry. But again if
it is miss ionizing work building communities economically
and otherwise the Catholics, Lutherans and the Mormons do as much and
way more for longer. So again I ask you- how do you
find Christ present in His Eucharist fails you that Bahai
is necessary?
 
Hi,
Christ is the ****only **** son of God. (John 3:16).
Adam is also referred to as the son of God in the NT. If Jesus is divine because of his fatherless birth, then Adam has more right to being divine, doubly so!!
Christ was born of a Virgin through **the **Holy Spirit of God.
Okay, so where did Christ get his 46 chromosomes from? We know he would have got at least 23 chromosomes from Mary, but to be fully human, he needed 2 sets of 23 chromosomes.

The fact is that Son of God is a biblical metaphor for a beloved servant of God. Ehpraim, Israel are referred to as sons of God. David in Psalm 2:7 is a son of God. As for John 3:16, Jesus was the only true beloved of God in his time. Sending prophets is due to divine love for mankind, that He sends His beloved ones ‘sons’] to guide them from time to time.
Where is this principle that Christ has to say what you demand?
It stands to reason that if someone who used to eat and digest food thought he is something more than human, he should at least claim so himself.
No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6).
Did not Moses reach God? Likewise all the prophets did, all without Jesus. They themselves were, like Jesus, the way to God, the source of truth and spiritual life in their own time.
No need according to whom? Afraid according to whom?
If an insect thinks it is actually human, why would anyone even imagine so without it making such a claim. And if it makes such a claim, most would consider it to be a baseless claim. And if you say that the analogy of an insect is inappropriate in this regards, I would agree that there is a much greater difference between God and man, than there is between a man and an insect, because both man and insect are physical and belong to the animal kingdom.
I know its hard to understand, but Christ was fully God and fully human.
Christ never said so. It is an invented doctrine, a newfangled one.
In order to fulfill the law and the prophets. He was according to plan. None of us get to change the plans and to determine how the plan needs to be carried out. If he would have been only fully God - the law and the prophets would not have been fulfilled.
There is nothing in the law or of the prophets which talks about a plan to do with a man-god.

Peace.
 
To bring about the spirit of unity, that men and women of different races, creeds, religions and levels of consciousness could learn to live together in love and respect for one another’s differences.
It is already a teaching of Islam, not new to the Baha’i faith, that God sent prophets to all peoples, with the same essential teachings and some differences in teachings due to the circumstances of the people they were sent to, and due to their teachings being for a certain duration. Hence, Islam inculcates respect for various prophets in various lands, of whatever race.
"Bahá’u’lláh has given full teachings to the world which are conducive to fellowship and unity in religion. Throughout past centuries each system of religious belief has boasted of its own superiority and excellence, abasing and scorning the validity of all others. Each has proclaimed its own belief as the light and all others as darkness. …
The Qur’an talks of there being guidance and light in the Torah and Gospel for instance. So, Islam does not proclaim that it has a monopoly on truth.
Therefore, sedition and warfare, bloodshed and strife have been continuous among them. The greatest cause of human alienation has been religion because each party has considered the belief of the other as anathema and deprived of the mercy of God.
World Wars I and II were not religious wars.
He has declared that each individual member of the human family is a leaf or branch upon the Adamic tree; that all are sheltered beneath the protecting mercy and providence of God; that all are the children of God, fruit upon the one tree of His love. God is equally compassionate and kind to all the leaves, branches and fruit of this tree.
And Islam teaches prophets were sent to all peoples. It is not new to the Baha’i faith.
Even though we find a defective branch or leaf upon this tree of humanity or an imperfect blossom, it, nevertheless, belongs to this tree and not to another.
So some people changed or deviated from the original teachings and went astray. This can happen within Islam as well, as prophecied, but reform was to happen from within Islam.

Peace.
 
Regarding the OP, the following passage states it very clearly:

Luke 16:16 (RSV)

"The law and the prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and every one enters it violently.

John the Baptist is the last prophet since he prepared the way for the Messiah: Jesus.
 
Regarding the OP, the following passage states it very clearly:

Luke 16:16 (RSV)

"The law and the prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and every one enters it violently.

John the Baptist is the last prophet since he prepared the way for the Messiah: Jesus.
This merely says that Old Testament Prophets and the Law of those times were followed until John the Baptist and after that started Jesus’s ministry.

That does not mean that there will be no more Prophets after Jesus.
 
This merely says that Old Testament Prophets and the Law of those times were followed until John the Baptist and after that started Jesus’s ministry.

That does not mean that there will be no more Prophets after Jesus.

The law and the prophets were until John. ***

In order to argue that there are prophets after John, you must prove (using Scripture) that God said there would be prophets after John the Baptist.

It is similar to when Protestants argue against the Blessed Virgin Mary’s perpetual virginity, they use Matthew 1:25 in their defense. Yet, they hinge their argument (as you have) on the word “until.” The text is telling us the truth of what happens “until” a certain point or time–it does NOT imply or state anything happens afterward. While I believe that the passage I posted should be more than sufficient for believing Christians, for those who do not accept it, they must expand their search into the entire New Testament and uncover the truth of who Jesus is (God, Savior, Messiah, Lord, etc.), and that Jesus makes it beyond clear that He is the final Word–the final truth. Jesus revealed all there is to be revealed and after Jesus there exists no need for further prophets.

John the Baptist is the last prophet. 🙂
 
I think History proves that there were.

There have been two Major World Faiths Since Jesus. Both these Faiths Worship the One and Only God.

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
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