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Yeah, but you’re probably getting a diamond ring in the process.

If some woman wants to gift me a few thousand dollars worth of stereo equipment, she can do it however she pleases, public, private, whatever—fine by me! 👍
The GF is getting the ring. I am having my quiet evening disrupted. It is about consideration for the audience who doesn’t care to see it
 
I disagree. An engagement should not be a surprise, so the answer shouldn’t be one either…
Although you are right that the answer should not be a surprise, it is still more considerate to make it feel like it is a free choice.
 
Although you are right that the answer should not be a surprise, it is still more considerate to make it feel like it is a free choice.
And the choice isn’t made when the ring is presented and the question is asked. The free choice is on the wedding day.
 
The GF is getting the ring. I am having my quiet evening disrupted. It is about consideration for the audience who doesn’t care to see it
Oh, that’s what you meant? I’m surprised to hear that. I’m usually quite happy for those celebrating such an occasion. It is so wonderful to see a couple in love!
 
Am I the only Catholic around here? You people act like you’ve never seen a doughnut before. Ok, so it’s this really wonderful pastry that’s shaped like a tire and HAS A BIG HOLE IN THE MIDDLE. If you have some that get a little stale, microwave for a few seconds and add vanilla ice cream. We call it a flat tire. Apple fritters are even better.

Anyway, the whole doughnut thing was mostly a joke. Hiding an engagement ring in food is stupid. Unless she’s a really big fan of doughnuts, then it might work. I assumed the OP wasn’t a complete bonehead and would realize that the whole doughnut thing was not a serious suggestion. Also, the parish hall is not a great place for a proposal. I like the idea of a place where no one else is, at the moment anyway.
On CAF? Never assume. Never assume. 😃
 
And the choice isn’t made when the ring is presented and the question is asked. The free choice is on the wedding day.
That’s very true, but I also think if you’re going to propose to someone you’d probably better have a good idea that she’s going to say yes, and have discussed marriage with each other before. The method of proposal can be a surprise, but the proposal itself really shouldn’t be.

To the OP- you know your girlfriend better than any of us. If she doesn’t like the limelight, definitely don’t do it in front of anyone else. I sort of ruined my husband’s proposal plans (unintentionally…I had no idea he was planning it on the particular day he was) so it didn’t go “as planned”. But it was still nice and now we have a funny story. 🙂 Don’t stress out too much about it- if she wants to marry you, she’ll say yes and won’t really care if the proposal is something out of a movie or not. Best wishes!
 
Oh, that’s what you meant? I’m surprised to hear that. I’m usually quite happy for those celebrating such an occasion. It is so wonderful to see a couple in love!
Me too. If I need a an evening that quiet, I’ll go to the library. Or adoration. Or alone in the woods. I won’t go to a restaurant and expect the world to hush up for my benefit. A one-minute proposal shouldn’t mess up anyone’s dinner.
 
And the choice isn’t made when the ring is presented and the question is asked. The free choice is on the wedding day.
The problem is that if there isn’t a lot of freedom to say no to the engagement (because it’s in public in front of dozens of people and it would be embarrassing to say no or “we have some issues we need to work on”), and then there isn’t a lot of freedom to back out of the engagement (because embarrassing) and then there is really even less freedom on the day of the wedding itself, when umpteen thousand dollars have been spent already and everybody’s going to be mad/disappointed/etc.

Let’s start by offering maximum freedom at the proposal by having it be a private conversation.
 
Also, come to think of it, it’s traditional for it to be a private conversation. (Think of the proposals in Pride and Prejudice.)

Doing a proposal as a public performance is a new thing.
 
Nothing could be further from the truth. A lot of women will feel diminished to an object if you talk to her dad first. You should know by now if your GF would appreciate this or not.
I agree. It is very contrary to the Catholic faith to imply, by word or action, that a father has any say in the daughter’s consent. In fact, canon law makes it clear that a parent pressuring a child into marriage can invalidate the required consent…
Of course, I’m not saying that this little ritual of asking the girl’s father actually implies pressure or true “permission” in most modern contexts, but there are many women today who would resent it. My then girlfriend (now wife) made it very clear that she did NOT want me to approach her father. Why should he know before her, a grown woman of 26 years at the time, that I was going to propose? I have an excellent relationship with my father-in-law and we received his blessing after the fact.

In regards to the OP…I took my then girlfriend to a restaurant in the Plaza España in Santo Domingo where we had had our first date. After a lovely romantic dinner, I suggested we go on a walk. I guided us to the Plaza Colon, in the shadow of the oldest church in the New World, where we had shared our first kiss a year earlier, got down on one knee, took out my grandmother’s ring, and asked her to marry me. No production, no audience…but the gestures and place were carefully thought out to have meaning for both of us.
 
Yeah, but you’re probably getting a diamond ring in the process.

If some woman wants to gift me a few thousand dollars worth of stereo equipment, she can do it however she pleases, public, private, whatever—fine by me! 👍
And all this time I thought you were a girl. 😃
 
That’s very true, but I also think if you’re going to propose to someone you’d probably better have a good idea that she’s going to say yes, and have discussed marriage with each other before. The method of proposal can be a surprise, but the proposal itself really shouldn’t be.

To the OP- you know your girlfriend better than any of us. If she doesn’t like the limelight, definitely don’t do it in front of anyone else. I sort of ruined my husband’s proposal plans (unintentionally…I had no idea he was planning it on the particular day he was) so it didn’t go “as planned”. But it was still nice and now we have a funny story. 🙂 Don’t stress out too much about it- if she wants to marry you, she’ll say yes and won’t really care if the proposal is something out of a movie or not. Best wishes!
Read my past post. I said the same thing
 
A proposal is a verbal statement of love and fidelity. A ring is a gift. A gift that can be selected at any time, together, or separately.
Just be yourself. She loves you! You can’t really do it wrong, unless you make too much of a fuss or production out of it. In those cases, it often backfires. Good luck!
 
The problem is that if there isn’t a lot of freedom to say no to the engagement (because it’s in public in front of dozens of people and it would be embarrassing to say no or “we have some issues we need to work on”), and then there isn’t a lot of freedom to back out of the engagement (because embarrassing) and then there is really even less freedom on the day of the wedding itself, when umpteen thousand dollars have been spent already and everybody’s going to be mad/disappointed/etc.

Let’s start by offering maximum freedom at the proposal by having it be a private conversation.
You just made a huge point for annulment.

These are all CHOICES of the couple.

You are projecting your personal preference on everyone. This is not so for everyone. A proposal is NOT the do or die moment for marriage. As I stated originally, an engagement should not be a surprise. It should be discerned together. The moment of a proposal is a personal choice, if they choose to even have one. Public or private.
 
If we go back to the OP,
He states that he’s already made up his mind. We don’t know her decision yet.
He asked for proposal ideas. We can’t really assume anything on CAF, (nothing surprises me) but it sounded like he wanted “innovative, special, or imaginative” ways of proposing.
We have no clue what their discernment process is. I think some people are cautioning about making it a spectacle, because as you have reminded us, it’s a vocation, and a mutual decision.
 
You just made a huge point for annulment.

These are all CHOICES of the couple.

You are projecting your personal preference on everyone. This is not so for everyone. A proposal is NOT the do or die moment for marriage. As I stated originally, an engagement should not be a surprise. It should be discerned together. The moment of a proposal is a personal choice, if they choose to even have one. Public or private.
  1. Trapping a woman into a huge public proposal does seem like it reduces freedom, which is a very good reason not to do it. I also think that the ruinously expensive wedding may reduce freedom.
  2. The timing of the proposal is not usually the woman’s choice at all–remember these big public things are usually surprises, or at least supposed to be surprises–that’s the whole point. My husband tells me that I proposed to him, but that’s exceptional. (My recollection is that I asked, “So where is this going?” and “So how serious are you about me?” which he treated that a proposal from me.) The cultural norm is that the woman doesn’t choose the timing and it’s considered bad form to nag a boyfriend into proposing. (“Nag” in this context means ask once.)
For everybody’s enjoyment: Top 5 Marriage Proposal Fails.

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  1. I agree it shouldn’t be a big surprise to either party that the relationship is serious and is headed toward marriage.
 
Me too. If I need a an evening that quiet, I’ll go to the library. Or adoration. Or alone in the woods. I won’t go to a restaurant and expect the world to hush up for my benefit. A one-minute proposal shouldn’t mess up anyone’s dinner.
OK, maybe I gave a bad example. I was not thinking of a 1 minute proposal. I was thinking about those proposal I saw on youtube, where the guy has all the waiters, perform a dance, hires a band, gets a violinist to play a love ballad and it is a whole 30 minutes before he actually shows himself and proposes
 
OK, maybe I gave a bad example. I was not thinking of a 1 minute proposal. I was thinking about those proposal I saw on youtube, where the guy has all the waiters, perform a dance, hires a band, gets a violinist to play a love ballad and it is a whole 30 minutes before he actually shows himself and proposes
I think those diners should have had their meals comped!
 
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