Prosecuting those who employ illegal aliens

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I didn’t think a business could be fined if they did due diligence.
A business would have to fail an I-9 audit to be fined.

From the below fact, it’s seems they are stepping up their focus on employers which will ripple through to other businesses.
ICE announced in a press release that the agency issued 5,200 I-9 audits from the start of the year through July 2018, which represented a fourfold increase in the rate of audits over the previous fiscal year. While that number is relatively small in the big scheme of things, Mascia said employers should be aware that the Trump administration has made stricter enforcement of immigration law a high priority and the trend should be expected to continue.
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Personally, would you be open to amnesty either through legal residency/work permits or even a pathway to citizenship?

The DACA recipients seem to be in a tough spot because they grew up in the US, for all we know, maybe they thought their families brought them here legally or were even born here until they learned the reality eventually and aren’t some even if not all and perhaps a minority of the undocumented immigrants pretty ingrained; for example, they managed to buy their own homes, start their own businesses and maybe even become involved in the community including parishes.

And if you had to guess, do most people have a personal connection with one of them whether it’s a family member, friend or even a work colleague making it an even more messy and emotional issue at hand?

What are your thoughts sir?
 
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I would be open to award of citizenship for any long-term young illegal immigrant who served his/her tour of duty in the armed forces honorably. For others, I could support a permanent green card if they can speak English and are productive citizens, unless they had committed some crime or other act of moral turpitude or endangering to the public.

There might be some civilian equivalent, but I am not sure what it would be.

I couldn’t say whether most people have some kind of connection with one of them. Of course I am not sure what you mean by “personal connection”.
 
This is an interesting article from NPR. It touches on DACA a little and what happens when a DACA recipient gets deported.


From the article:

“Despite the loss and sadness, he says he has no desire to sneak back into the United States.

For the first time in his life, he wants to make his own choice about crossing the border. “I’m actually against illegal immigration,” he says. “Too much of a risk for me. I wouldn’t want to end up in jail for 10 years.”

Instead, he says there should be better pathways to legal migration so that people don’t have to put their lives at risk.”

Another section:

“For now, Olivas-Bejarano’s English and his education have landed him a customer support position at Charly, a multimillion-dollar Mexican sportswear company.

Six months into the job, Olivas-Bejarano is already in the running for a promotion.

As he forges a new life for himself in León, Olivas-Bejarano says that, along with his young, educated immigrant peers, he has got a lot to offer Mexico.

"I mean, you can teach kids here in Mexico English just like you can teach kids in the States Spanish, but you can’t teach American culture, you can’t teach Hispanic culture.

“And that’s what I bring, is a different viewpoint,” he says. “Fresh ideas and … a drive.”

A drive that’s beginning to make its mark on Mexico.“
 
13pollitos said:
Instead, he says there should be better pathways to legal migration so that people don’t have to put their lives at risk.”
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The underlying assumption here is that we should take every fit person who applies, but we don’t have space.

The Green Bay Packers have 30 year waiting list for season tickets. This isn’t because their office is inept, it’s because demand exceeds supply.

The wait and hassle for US immigration will only drop if we drastically increase supply of visas, or we become unpopular (like the MN Vikings or TN Titans)
 
I don’t completely disagree because there is a segment of the population that will only be happy with complete open borders with no restrictions. I do think we need to completely overhaul our immigration policies. The system is overloaded and we cannot keep this up or everything will collapse. So I guess the way I see that sentence is working towards necessary reforms.

Now, I don’t think we can get to a place that reforms can actually happen until we find a way to end the vast problems we currently have. We need to deal with one situation at a time. And yes, I think that will make us immensely unpopular. We already are so I’m not sure that matters.
 
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I don’t completely disagree because there is a segment of the population that will only be happy with complete open borders with no restrictions. I do think we need to completely overhaul our immigration policies. The system is overloaded and we cannot keep this up or everything will collapse. So I guess the way I see that sentence is working towards necessary reforms.
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Effectively the fans are jumping the fence because they can’t buy season tickets.

We can change the criteria on who we select but the delay and perceived hassle will remain due to limited supply. Maybe if we categorically refused more people outright it would help the official process, but it might just increase the fence jumpers.
 
Does this mean you (and maybe even a majority of Republicans, Conservatives and other voters and constituencies who are tougher on the immigration issues) would be willing to compromise on the following comprehensive immigration reform package hypothetically? Something kinda like this.
  1. Legal residency for the bulk of undocumented immigrants with some possible exceptions like DACA and military service members (and their families like spouses and children) who get a pathway to citizenship.
  2. The construction of a barrier around the US and Mexico Border.
  3. Increased funding for Border Patrol and I.C.E to support enforcement of immigration laws.
  4. Nationalizing mandatory E-Verify for employers.
  5. Banning sanctuary cities.
  6. Increasing access to legal immigration (e.g. doubling or tripling quotas) with a focus on skills-based immigration.
Do you think both parties coming together and creating such a package could help settle the issue?

Regarding whether they’re productive seems like a more complicated matter; for example, low-income workers aren’t wealthy but they seem to be providing a level of effort and have sincere motives for coming here. And maybe make most voters “happy” or appreciative to see a major issue resolved to an extent?
 
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This is an interesting article from NPR. It touches on DACA a little and what happens when a DACA recipient gets deported.
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Interesting article indeed; I heard the story myself on NPR and was about to mention it.

Only one problem, though:
> But then in 2014 and 2016, he was caught driving drunk, misdemeanors that the Obama administration didn’t prioritize as deportable offenses.
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Those standards changed, however, with the Trump presidency. In January 2017, President Trump signed an executive order that expanded the reach of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to apprehend undocumented immigrants, regardless of any criminal record. Later that year, the president announced he would be phasing out DACA.
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I was sympathetic up to that point.

But, if you’re not going to respect the laws of our country, unfortunately, you should leave.

I’d rather see somebody like that deported than see an American citizen killed by a drunk driver.
 
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I agree 100%.

The reason I posted the link was to show that even some former illegal immigrants do not agree with illegal immigration. He states as much himself. Also, some of these immigrants are cautioning others from illegally immigrating because it is not worth the risks involved. And these people are making a real difference in their home countries.

It is a very complicated issue and we need to attempt to find a middle ground instead of clinging to the party line. Real lives are affected which in turn affects all of us as well.
 
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  1. Legal residency for the bulk of undocumented immigrants with some possible exceptions like DACA and military service members (and their families like spouses and children) who get a pathway to citizenship.
  2. The construction of a barrier around the US and Mexico Border.
  3. Increased funding for Border Patrol and I.C.E to support enforcement of immigration laws.
  4. Nationalizing mandatory E-Verify for employers.
  5. Banning sanctuary cities.
  6. Increasing access to legal immigration (e.g. doubling or tripling quotas) with a focus on skills-based immigration.
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  1. No, there won’t be agreement to let so many ‘jump the queue’. DACA would be the exception program.
  2. Nobody wants a full barrier, just to follow the solid recommendations by Border Patrol and put a capable barrier where it will add value.
  3. More funding should be temporary, to deal with the crisis. If we reduce the flow by closing the loopholes, the numbers will drop.
  4. e-verify system needs to be overhauled, but we already have mandatory I-9.
  5. Shouldn’t ban ‘sanctuary cities’ but I’m OK with consequences of reduced federal funding.
  6. Nope, dramatically increasing legal immigration undercuts the job market for our must vulnerable. If you increased it dramatically for ‘skills-based’ then you are undercutting the middle class as well.
Massive increases in foreign labor does real harm to our jobs market and only benefits employers. This tight jobs market is the best thing ever for our poor and minorities who are now gainfully employed at record levels. I want minorities and teens in general to find work that will teach them basic skills and prepare them for the next job rung in the ladder to earning a living wage.

Significantly increasing the number of legal visas doesn’t really solve anything since demand vastly exceeds the supply. Increasing Visa supply to meet demand destroys our jobs market and the opportunity to earn a living wage for citizens.

 
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