Protestant Innovation - Protestants please explain your Innovated Tradition of using Grape Juice rather than Wine for Holy Communion

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The Protestants I’ve spoken to, pride themselves with their Doctrine of Sola Scriptura…that everything they do comes straight out of the Bible and they accuse us Catholic of all kinds of 'Innovations".

By only reading the Bible, how in the world do Protestants defend their innovation of using Grape Juice rather than Wine during their Communion services? The Bible is clear during all accounts of the Last Supper that bread and WINE were used by Jesus, not bread and Grape Juice.

Please explain how you as a Protestant can hold at the same time the belief that everything you do is from the Bible and yet you are practicing a Tradition not found in the Bible by using Grape Juice rather than Wine for Holy Communion.

This is not a Tradition that was taught by any of the Apostles. Do you simply not realize that by using Grape Juice you are clinging onto a “Tradition of Man”?
 
SingleMomMonica said:
The Protestants I’ve spoken to, pride themselves with their Doctrine of Sola Scriptura…that everything they do comes straight out of the Bible and they accuse us Catholic of all kinds of 'Innovations".

By only reading the Bible, how in the world do Protestants defend their innovation of using Grape Juice rather than Wine during their Communion services? The Bible is clear during all accounts of the Last Supper that bread and WINE were used by Jesus, not bread and Grape Juice.

Please explain how you as a Protestant can hold at the same time the belief that everything you do is from the Bible and yet you are practicing a Tradition not found in the Bible by using Grape Juice rather than Wine for Holy Communion.

This is not a Tradition that was taught by any of the Apostles. Do you simply not realize that by using Grape Juice you are clinging onto a “Tradition of Man”?
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As a former Pentecostal (now Catholic - thanks be to God), I can only speculate that it may have stemmed from the purists who did not want to consume alcohol. In the last couple of generations, some of these “rules” have softened considerably. I remember when one of the elder gentleman in our church (who was one of the most Godly men I knew) preached against dancing, drinking, going to movies, etc. His sermon was not well received by most or myself, but I respected him nonetheless at the time. In hindsight, I can see that he was really preaching about avoiding the “near occasions” of sin.

Grape juice was probably the nearest alternative to wine and so they probably went with that. This is mere speculation and I am open to correction if I am incorrect.
 
I was once told by a Mormon–let’s set aside the question of whether they are Christians for this–that Jesus used wine because he had no refrigerator.
And I had reason to visit a Lutheran church where they provided a choice between wine and grape juice. As a Catholic visitor, I obviously opted for neither.
 
The Bible says to refrain from all appearance of evil. So because of all the evil that alcohol has caused we do not want contribute to that evil.
 
allischalmers said:
The Bible says to refrain from all appearance of evil. So because of all the evil that alcohol has caused we do not want contribute to that evil.
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I guess Jesus didn’t read that part:shrug: reference to the Gospel written by St.Luke7:34
 
For the sake of accuracy, it should be noted that this applies to certain Protestant denominations only.
 
allischalmers said:
The Bible says to refrain from all appearance of evil. So because of all the evil that alcohol has caused we do not want contribute to that evil.
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With that logic, then Jesus, Himself, *contributed to evil *because he frequently drank wine.

That is terrible logic.

Try again please.
 
allischalmers said:
The Bible says to refrain from all appearance of evil. So because of all the evil that alcohol has caused we do not want contribute to that evil.
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Bad logic. Disobeying God is evil. God told us to drink wine in the Eucharist. Therefore, allischalmers, avoid the appearance of evil by drinking even a little grape juice during Communion.

Also, when I think about all the evil Prohibitionists have caused, I am hesitant to drink grape juice to give even the appearance of being one of them.
 
Some that I have known and know state that the “wine” in those times was not as strong as it is now and was really like grape juice. Of course I do not agree at all, but that is what I have been told. I was taught that when I was young in a Baptist school.

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mystified said:
I was once told by a Mormon–let’s set aside the question of whether they are Christians for this–that Jesus used wine because he had no refrigerator.
And I had reason to visit a Lutheran church where they provided a choice between wine and grape juice. As a Catholic visitor, I obviously opted for neither.
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That’s pretty funny to me! :rotfl:

Although Protestant Churches came into existence beginning in the 1500’s, but refridgerators didn’t exists for several more centuries.

(The LDS Church aka Mormon began in the 1800’s - still no refridgerators!).
 
tampasteve said:
Some that I have known and know state that the “wine” in those times was not as strong as it is now and was really like grape juice. Of course I do not agree at all, but that is what I have been told. I was taught that when I was young in a Baptist school.

Steve
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I’m glad you didn’t buy into that since, it is very clear in the New Testament that their wine was strong - look at the conversations over the strength of the wine at the Wedding of Cana where Jesus did His first miracle…where He made the water turn to Very Strong Wine!
 
SingleMomMonica said:
I’m glad you didn’t buy into that since, it is very clear in the New Testament that their wine was strong - look at the conversations over the strength of the wine at the Wedding of Cana where Jesus did His first miracle…where He made the water turn to Very Strong Wine!
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What Jesus made water into wine so the people could get drunk:eek:
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Lujack said:
Lutherans and Anglicans, primarily, but there may be others.
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I’ve now learned something I’d never heard before. Thanks.

Do you happen to know how much the Lutherans and Anglicans make up in the total Protestant world?
 
fbl9 said:
What Jesus made water into wine so the people could get drunk:eek:
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Your funny! :rotfl:

Jesus made the wine and made it strong, but left the people their free will to either drink too much or just enough.

I don’t remember off hand where in the Bible, but somewhere in their some of the Jews **accused Jesus of being drunk **at one point! Certainly the accusation was false since all the other accusations they threw his way were also false.
 
SingleMomMonica said:
I’ve now learned something I’d never heard before. Thanks.

Do you happen to know how much the Lutherans and Anglicans make up in the total Protestant world?
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Lutherans are the largest religious group in most of Scandinavia and Germany, and according to their own statistics, have a little less than seventy million believers. Due to some mergers and defections, that’s probably a little bit inflated.

Anglicans have about 77 million believers, including 36 million Africans. Its the Church of England, and is centered there, although its strength now lies elsewhere.

Both have a lot in common with Catholicism, although there are obviously some important differences.
 
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