1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.
This isn’t speaking of divorce but separation. Not the same.
Ginger:
The point is these doctrines are spelled out plain and clear in the Scriptures. Anyone who rejects them in favor of his own doctrines has no right to call himself a “Christian” and the Catholic church has no right to lump them together with non-catholic Christians.
Ginger
Hmm spelled out plain and clear?
Matthew 5:32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness,
causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
I darkened the part where you twisted porneia to without a doubt, mean unfaithfulness in marriage. So this verse is stating that you believe Divorce can take place if one is unfaithful to the other?
There is a word for adultery in Greek, it´s** moicheia***.* This has been used 22 times in the New Testament to mean adultery.Another variation of moichea is, moichalis, used in 2Peter 2:14 Or Matt 5:31-2 but still means adultery.
I also find it Interesting how the two words are separated instead of using porneia times since it meant the same thing. “Whoever divorces his wife, unless it be for
porneia, and marries another, commits
moichaō.” It’s obvious that pornea in this context meant something explicitly unnatural or perverse happening and not merely because one is being unfaithful to their spouse.
In Romans 1:29, St. Paul accuses the Romans of porneia right after describing their homosexual activities.
The word porneia can mean many things. Bestiality in Leviticus 18:23, Incest in Leviticus 18:6-18, Male homosexual intercourse in Leviticus 18:22, as well as male and female homosexuality relationships we read about in Romans 1:26.
In John 8:41, the term is used for illegitimacy. The Jews replied to Jesus, “We be not born of porneia we have one Father, God.”
So I stand by my first assessment. You guys can’t decide on whether divorce is ok or not merely because the verses you have put down are not clear enough when many definitions can come about from one word. My non denom friend says it’s never ok. She used Mathew 5:32 to back this up as well.
Thank God for Sacred Tradition. It’s clear what the early Church fathers taught about divorce even if one is unfaithful to the other.
I especially love the quote from your pal, St. Jerome who knew the language far better than you’d ever hope to. Amazing how he could get something so clear…so wrong huh.
And of course, St. Augustine agrees with us as well.
JEROME
“Do not tell me about the violence of the ravisher, about the persuasiveness of a mother, about the authority of a father, about the influence of relatives, about the intrigues and insolence of servants, or about household [financial] losses. **So long as a husband lives, be he adulterer, be he sodomite, be he addicted to every kind of vice, if she left him on account of his crimes he is her husband still and she may not take another” **(
Letters 55:3 [A.D. 396]).
"Wherever there is fornication and a suspicion of fornication a wife is freely dismissed. Because it is always possible that someone may calumniate the innocent and, for the sake of a second joining in marriage, act in criminal fashion against the first,
it is commanded that when the first wife is dismissed a second may not be taken while the first lives" (
Commentaries on Matthew 3:19:9 [A.D. 398]).
AUGUSTINE
“Neither can it rightly be held that a husband who dismisses his wife because of fornication and marries another does not commit adultery. For there is also adultery on the part of those who, after the repudiation of their former wives because of fornication, marry others. This adultery, nevertheless, is certainly less serious than that of men who dismiss their wives for reasons other than fornication and take other wives. Therefore, when we say: ‘Whoever marries a woman dismissed by her husband for reason other than fornication commits adultery,’ undoubtedly we speak the truth. But we do not thereby acquit of this crime the man who marries a woman who was dismissed because of fornication. We do not doubt in the least that both are adulterers. We do indeed pronounce him an adulterer who dismissed his wife for cause other than fornication and marries another, nor do we thereby defend from the taint of this sin the man who dismissed his wife because of fornication and marries another. We recognize that both are adulterers, though the sin of one is more grave than that of the other. No one is so unreasonable to say that a man who marries a woman whose husband has dismissed her because of fornication is not an adulterer, while maintaining that a man who marries a woman dismissed without the ground of fornication is an adulterer. Both of these men are guilty of adultery” (
Adulterous Marriages 1:9:9 [A.D. 419]).
“Undoubtedly the substance of the sacrament is of this bond, so that when man and woman have been joined in marriage they must continue inseparably as long as they live, nor is it allowed for one spouse to be separated from the other except for cause of fornication. For this is preserved in the case of Christ and the Church, so that, as a living one with a living one, there is no divorce, no separation forever.” (Marriage and Concupiscence 1:10:11 [A.D.419]).
“In marriage, however, let the blessings of marriage be loved: offspring, fidelity, and the sacramental bond. Offspring, not so much because it may be born, but because it can be reborn; for it is born to punishment unless it be reborn to life. Fidelity, but not such as even the unbelievers have among themselves, ardent as they are for the flesh…The sacramental bond, which they lose neither through separation nor through adultery, this the spouses should guard chastely and harmoniously” (ibid., 1:17:19).
