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JRKH
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How about Trinity - also not Scriptural
How about bible alone - Also Not Scriptural
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How about bible alone - Also Not Scriptural
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Mickey
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Are you kidding? Trinity is very Scriptural!
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JRKH
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Catholics certainly agree that the Trinity is Scriptural.
But to the Protestant community I am asking show me Trinity or bible Alone in Scripture.
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Mickey
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Are you talking about the word “Trinity”? That is a bit of a silly argument because the Trinity is clearly spelled out in Scripture–Old and New Testament. However, purgatory is very far from clearly spelled out anywhere in Sacred Scripture.
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wanner47
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Did you know that in a metallurgical context “to test” means “to refine”?
“test.” Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc. 30 May. 2008. <Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/test>.
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wanner47
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Where is the word “Trinity” found in Scripture? I can’t seem to find it. Can you show me?
Thanks!
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Mickey
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LOL! Lots of words cannot be found in Scripture. If that is your argument–it is weak. How bout this? I will show you where the Trinity is clearly taught in the Sacred Scriptures and then you do the same for purgatory. Okay?
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wanner47
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It’s already been shown in this thread where Purgatory is found in Scripture. There have been several links provided. Check those out, and also check out the Catholic Answers tract on the subject.
I know how/where Trinity is taught in Sacred Scripture, thanks.
However, you seemed to think that the word “purgatory” must appear in Sacred Scripture, and I was pointing out that you can’t apply the same criteria to the doctrine of the Trinity. If you believe the word “Purgatory” must appear in Scripture for it to be true, then you must also believe that the word “Trinity” must appear in Scripture for it to be true.
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Mickey
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I never said that. You must have imagined it.
I do contend, however, that the RCC apology for purgatory in the Scriptures is very weak and uses creative interpretation–whereas Trinity is very clear.
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JRKH
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But this is the point.
One of the basic arguments that SS protestants use against the Catholics is where is such and such in the Bible. The word Trinity is not in the bible, yet Protestants accept it. The word “Purgatory” is not in the Bible and Protestants reject it and ask us to show them “purgatory” in the Bible.
Now I originally posted two things here - Trinity and Bible Alone.
You responded to “Trinity” and ignored “Bible Alone.”
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Mickey
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- You are debating against a caricature of protestants. They are not some silly robots who only look for which words are in the Bible. You are knocking down a straw man with that argument.
- I have no idea what point you are trying to make with the words “Bible Alone” not being in Scripture. This thread is about purgatory.
- I am not a protestant.
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wanner47
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It seemed to be your implication.I never said that. You must have imagined it.
If the argument for the Trinity in Scripture is so clear, why do some Christian sects (e.g., the JWs, the Oneness Pentacostals) reject it?
In addition, the argument for sola scriptura in Scripture is EXTREMELY weak, yet most Protestants (and yourself, if I’m not mistaken) subscribe to it.
The doctrine of Purgatory is implicity referenced in Scripture; however, it was the job of the Church to expound upon it at the proper time. That was Jesus’ intention when he established a Church, not a book. He gave the Church the job of compiling and interpreting the Bible.
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how is trinity “spelled out”?? the word trinity is not in the Bible…
the concept of Purgatory, a place of being purged of the effects of sin - IS in the Bible (1 Cor, st. Matthew, Rev, etc…)
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JRKH
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Yea - I was gittin off topic. Sorry.
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The theological understandings of both the Holy Trinity and Purgatory are found in the Bible. Protestants who reject the notion of praying for or two the dead will resist the notion that scripture supports that thhose who die undergo some final preparation for heaven.
If one insists tradition has no authority in determining morality, and that ALL of one’s doctrines on morals and faith must be from scripture, and if it is shown that the same person holds to a doctrine that is not found in scripture, then one of the following two options must be chosen. One would either have to accept the non-scriptural moral doctrine as unsupportable by scripture and admit the same, or change one’s moral position on the matter accepting that it is an error based on tradition .
It can not be demonstrated using scripture that polygamy is forbidden. Monogamy is prescribed as the only form of marraige for bishops. If monogamy were demanded of all people then scripture should have stated all men should be husbands of one wife instead of bishops only.
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The Corinthians passage certainly references purification. Here’s the whole passage:
[11]For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver*, precious stones**, wood, hay, straw – [13}each man’s work will become manifest; for **the Day *will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. [14] If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. [15] If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
Paul contrasts the good (gold, silver, precious stones) with the bad (things that burn up: wood, hay, straw). This is a reference to smelting in antiquity (the process of burning gold or silver to get rid of any impurities so only the gold or silver remains); see Ezekiel 22:22 or a historical piece on the process. The stains will be burned off. This is what is “lost” in v. 15. He is speaking only of people that have built upon a foundation of Christ, who will still require this purification. Mind you this will take place on “the Day”…which is a reference to judgment.
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MarcoPolo
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For my part, I showed it in Scripture in posts 20 & 23. You can also add #56 now.
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Protestant101
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I would suggest that a separate thread could be used for the Trinity questions being brought up here; that is, if in depth detail is desired. However, you have mis-stated what Protestants accept here, concerning the word Trinity. It is not the word “Trinity” that we accept, but the CONCEPT of The Trinity, and there is a big difference. “Trinity” is not the only word used to define the three aspects of the Trinity - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Godhead, is another word used for the CONCEPT of Trinity. And the Word “Godhead” is in the Bible.
Now, the Protestant ideas about the Catholic doctrine of “Purgatory” are not in fact directed “against Catholics” as you suggest; but against official Catholic doctrine, namely “Purgatory.” A true Protestant is not against people, but ideas. And the same goes for Catholics, such as I have personally experienced.
It seems to me that some in this thread have conceded how that without other sources, in addition to the Bible, it is impossible to definitively prove “Purgatory;” and this was the point of my OP. I am trying to establish what is fact, and what is fiction here. Now since a few people here have tried to point to the scripture Catholic.com page as “proving” purgatory from Scripture, then what I am interested in doing is to take one text at a time from that page, and examine it together in more detail.
I wonder, can we get a clear answer as to whether or not official Catholic writings could prove the idea of purgatory using the Bible alone?
In my next post, I will begin to address the texts on the purgatory page at scripturecatholic.com I will look forward to more of this discussion. Take care & take prayer, and may God bless each one studying here together.
PS. I apologize; I should have included the specific link for purgatory: Purgatory In The Bible, According To Catholics
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Techno2000
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Well one could say the same thing for Purgatory it is not the word"Purgatory" but the CONCEPT of Purgatory and there is a big difference.I would suggest that a separate thread could be used for the Trinity questions being brought up here; that is, if in depth detail is desired. However, you have mis-stated what Protestants accept here, concerning the word Trinity. It is not the word “Trinity” that we accept, but the CONCEPT of The Trinity, and there is a big difference. “Trinity” is not the only word used to define the three aspects of the Trinity - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Godhead, is another word used for the CONCEPT of Trinity. And the Word “Godhead” is in the Bible.
Now, the Protestant ideas about the Catholic doctrine of “Purgatory” are not in fact directed “against Catholics” as you suggest; but against official Catholic doctrine, namely “Purgatory.” A true Protestant is not against people, but ideas. And the same goes for Catholics, such as I have personally experienced.
It seems to me that some in this thread have conceded how that without other sources, in addition to the Bible, it is impossible to definitively prove “Purgatory;” and this was the point of my OP. I am trying to establish what is fact, and what is fiction here. Now since a few people here have tried to point to the scripture Catholic.com page as “proving” purgatory from Scripture, then what I am interested in doing is to take one text at a time from that page, and examine it together in more detail.
I wonder, can we get a clear answer as to whether or not official Catholic writings could prove the idea of purgatory using the Bible alone?
In my next post, I will begin to address the texts on the purgatory page at scripturecatholic.com I will look forward to more of this discussion. Take care & take prayer, and may God bless each one studying here together.
PS. I apologize; I should have included the specific link for purgatory: Purgatory In The Bible, According To Catholics
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Protestant101
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Yes, you are correct, and I took that into consideration when I made the post. I actually believe that this is what most Catholics intend, by their use of the word “Purgatory.”Well one could say the same thing for Purgatory it is not the word"Purgatory" but the CONCEPT of Purgatory and there is a big difference.
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