Protestant said praying to Mary isn’t in the bible

[Sbee0]

Not once have I rejected actual scripture but I’ve rejected the words you added to it , but you’ve straight up rejected any scripture I’ve provided or said it doesn’t mean what it says but it needs to be interpreted and I find that mind blowing how you have so much faith in man to tell you what scripture says then Farther actually read what’s being said

Complete delusion.

Typical of those who are indoctrinated with the half truths of Protestantism. Fundamentalist Protestantism is not really a cult itself but this attitude is very cult like.

 

[Fauken]

He went from, “I love how you believe in Jesus” to “You must believe in a different Jesus and rely on a man to tell you what Scripture says.”

 

[Sbee0]

Rosie11:

No no Mary was the mother of the flesh , Not of God she was the mother of the flesh in which he came through the line of King David … so is he in heaven calling King David great grandad??? Ofcorse not In the beginning was God not Mary , Mary is calling Jesus her Lord and saviour she is not “the queen of heaven”

See this is what happens when we try to follow our own reasoning.

Did this guy really just deny the incarnation?

This isn’t something new this is the 4th century heresy called Arianism…

Arius taught that Christ was a creature made by God. By disguising his heresy using orthodox or near-orthodox terminology, he was able to sow great confusion in the Church. He was able to muster the support of many bishops, while others excommunicated him.

Arianism was solemnly condemned in 325 at the First Council of Nicaea, which defined the divinity of Christ, and in 381 at the First Council of Constantinople, which defined the divinity of the Holy Spirit. These two councils gave us the Nicene creed, which Catholics recite at Mass every Sunday.

This exact heresy is what brought about Mary as the Mother of God. If Mary is just the mother of the flesh then that is only possible if Jesus was born a man and then became divine after He was born.

It’s simply logic is Jesus God? Yes or No?

Is Mary Jesus’ mother? Yes or No?

God Bless

Well said. No Mary is not older than God but that is irrelevant. Mary carried the divine person of God in her womb, thus logically by definition making her the Mother of God.

The fundie Protestant attempt to separate Jesus into two different persons (“the flesh” and his divine person), is a heresy invented in the 5th century and should be disqualifying for anyone wanting to call themselves a Christian. Even Luther himself did not believe this nonsense.

 

[vsedriver]

No it’s not a book of prayers but prayers

so, you agree there are ‘scripted prayers’ in the Psalms and there is no prohibition against scripted prayers in the Bible. By the way, songs and poems can also be prayers. So Catholics are correct that scripture can be used as prayers.

How many times can you repeat scripture before it becomes vain? oh, wait, scripture isn’t vain, is it? So repeating scripture is OK.

why are you praying to other then God

You don’t understand what the verb ‘pray’ means. Your understanding is a modern one and not held by early Christians, nor most Christians. “to pray” means “to ask”. You equate prayer with worship but prayer can also have an intercessory purpose. Old English “Pray tell me, what is the time?” Is the speaker expressing worship or attributing deity to the listener? Neither of course. Christians believe you can ask anyone to pray for you. Have you never asked anyone to pray for you? You’ve never had anyone come to you and say, I lost my job, please pray for me that I get another one. Is that person ‘praying/worshiping’ to you? No, they are asking you to intercede for them.

We can pray to Mary because we are not WORSHIPING her with our prayers. We are asking for her intercession. Since scripture says the prayers of a righteous man avail much. and Jesus commands us to pray for one another and this command doesn’t end with death we can ask Mary to intercede for us.

Of course we can pray directly to God but Catholics use the whole Bible and therefore also ask others to pray for us.

 

[ConstantLearner]

Remember that our faith is not based on the bible, but rather the bible is based on our faith

I don’t think you can actually say G-d based his word on the Catholic faith! If you believe the bible is based on Catholicism, then the bible is not the word of G-d! I’m not a Catholic, but I do know Catholic theologians based the faith on the bible, primarily. Since Catholics consider Mary the Mother of G-d, they pray to her asking her to intercede for them with her Son. However, this is something Catholic theologians have extracted from the bible and what it says. Nowhere in the bible does it instruct anyone to pray to Mary or even to intercede for them.

 

[ConstantLearner]

I know I usually start these kind of threads and people say I’m trolling but I’m not I just feel a strong need to defend my faith and if I know the answers then I’ll say them but if I don’t I come here looking for answers and I wanna shut this person up with the FACTS

The fact is that it is not in the bible. Why can’t you just be happy and rejoice in your faith and not try to change the faith of others? In this case, they are right. It’s not in the bible.

 

[Sbee0]

AveOTheotokos:

Remember that our faith is not based on the bible, but rather the bible is based on our faith

I don’t think you can actually say G-d based his word on the Catholic faith! If you believe the bible is based on Catholicism, then the bible is not the word of G-d! I’m not a Catholic, but I do know Catholic theologians based the faith on the bible, primarily. Since Catholics consider Mary the Mother of G-d, they pray to her asking her to intercede for them with her Son. However, this is something Catholic theologians have extracted from the bible and what it says. Nowhere in the bible does it instruct anyone to pray to Mary or even to intercede for them.

Scripture is not based on any denomination, it is the written Word of God but the written word is NOT the complete Word. Even Scripture itself says so.

And Mary is the Mother of God, by very definition of mother.

 

[AveOTheotokos]

I don’t think you can actually say G-d based his word on the Catholic faith! If you believe the bible is based on Catholicism, then the bible is not the word of G-d! I’m not a Catholic, but I do know Catholic theologians based the faith on the bible, primarily. Since Catholics consider Mary the Mother of G-d, they pray to her asking her to intercede for them with her Son. However, this is something Catholic theologians have extracted from the bible and what it says. Nowhere in the bible does it instruct anyone to pray to Mary or even to intercede for them.

The bible did not exist before it was written, but our faith did. Eventually, the contents of the new testament were written to pass on the faith that already existed, and then the Catholic church determined which books were to be included in the canon of the bible.

Please tell us, how do you know what books belong in the bible? Also, what book of the NT did the apostles turn to after the crucifixion to help them?

 

[ConstantLearner]

He’s getting more snippy. I don’t think he likes how much he’s being challenged.

Very uncharitable to talk about someone that way instead of just ignoring him or her. Charity was the only real commandment Jesus gave people: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” It’s not easy, but to call yourself a practicing Christian, you have to try. So do I, and I am Jewish. We just word it differently.

 

[Sbee0]

Rosie11:

I know I usually start these kind of threads and people say I’m trolling but I’m not I just feel a strong need to defend my faith and if I know the answers then I’ll say them but if I don’t I come here looking for answers and I wanna shut this person up with the FACTS

The fact is that it is not in the bible. Why can’t you just be happy and rejoice in your faith and not try to change the faith of others? In this case, they are right. It’s not in the bible.

The idea that written Scripture is the complete Word of God is not found there either. The opposite is however.

We do rejoice in our faith. Unlike fundie Protestants and other denominations such as JW, we don’t actively try to “change” other people’s faith, as that’s the work of the Holy Spirit. But we can correct misinformed perspectives about our faith and there are plenty of those.

 

[ConstantLearner]

Scripture is not based on any denomination, it is the written Word of God but the written word is NOT the complete Word. Even Scripture itself says so.

Then you agree with me: the bible was not based on Catholicism.

 

[Sbee0]

Sbee0:

Scripture is not based on any denomination, it is the written Word of God but the written word is NOT the complete Word. Even Scripture itself says so.

Then you agree with me: the bible was not based on Catholicism.

Our faith (Catholicism) is based 100% on God’s Word, through Christ. Not the other way around.

 

[Fauken]

Very uncharitable to talk about someone that way instead of just ignoring him or her. Charity was the only real commandment Jesus gave people: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” It’s not easy, but to call yourself a practicing Christian, you have to try. So do I, and I am Jewish. We just word it differently.

Fine. I was rude. I get tired of reading slanderous lie after slanderous lie about my faith which I cherish. And he gave two commandments, not one.

 

[ConstantLearner]

Oh so I can’t know scripture myself I need someone to tell me what it means? Seriously what planet are you from in cape able of reading scripture which I’m called to do so why do I need a guru to pep talk me into what he wants it to say and not accept exactly what it says?

If you’re Catholic, you don’t need a guru. You can study and learn on your own if you choose to do so, and you can certainly direct your prayers directly to G-d, without intercession.

 

[Sbee0]

AveOTheotokos:

Remember that our faith is not based on the bible, but rather the bible is based on our faith

I don’t think you can actually say G-d based his word on the Catholic faith! If you believe the bible is based on Catholicism, then the bible is not the word of G-d! I’m not a Catholic, but I do know Catholic theologians based the faith on the bible, primarily. Since Catholics consider Mary the Mother of G-d, they pray to her asking her to intercede for them with her Son. However, this is something Catholic theologians have extracted from the bible and what it says. Nowhere in the bible does it instruct anyone to pray to Mary or even to intercede for them.

Off topic (I see you are Jewish) I always found it was an interesting Jewish custom to say “G-d” instead of God. From what I know of Jewish law I thought that “restriction” only applied to Hebrew writing and not on the internet. Could be wrong though.

 

[Sbee0]

Rosie11:

Oh so I can’t know scripture myself I need someone to tell me what it means? Seriously what planet are you from in cape able of reading scripture which I’m called to do so why do I need a guru to pep talk me into what he wants it to say and not accept exactly what it says?

If you’re Catholic, you don’t need a guru. You can study and learn on your own if you choose to do so, and you can certainly direct your prayers directly to G-d, without intercession.

You don’t need a guru, but you do need an authority to understand. Why? Scripture says so. Relying on your own interpretation is precisely what Scripture tells us NOT to do, in fact it condemns it very strongly as I posted above. The end result… 40,000 Protestant denominations relying on their “personal” interpretation vs 1 Catholic church.

 

[YoungCatholicGuy]

And the Archangel Gabriel said to her: ‘Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with Thee.’

And when Elizabeth greeted Mary, the babe in her womb leapt for joy and she was filled with the Holy Spirit and cried out, ‘Blessed are thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.’

The rosary is SCRIPTURAL

 

[ConstantLearner]

Fine. I was rude. I get tired of reading slanderous lie after slanderous lie about my faith which I cherish. And he gave two commandments, not one.

It’s not fine to be rude, to anyone. What about Jesus’ saying regarding turning the other cheek? You need to heed that. We all do.

No one likes to hear negativity about their faith, but feeding trolls leads to bigger trolls.

 

[YoungCatholicGuy]

Praying to saints for their help is scriptural:

Have a read of this:

Why Do Catholics Pray to Saints? | Catholic Answers Tract

The Book of Revelation states: ‘And bowls of incense were brought to God, WHICH ARE THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS.’

Our Lady’s prayers for us, are they more effacious than other saints? According to scripture she is even higher than the 12 apostles as a saint, ‘And Behold, I saw a woman, clothed with the sun and with the moon under her feet, and on her head, a Crown of Twelve stars.’

Jesus and the saints:
In scripture Moses and Elijah appear, and speak with Jesus, to help prepare him for His Passion.

In the Garden of Gethsemane: ‘And an angel appeared and strengthened Him.’

If Jesus accepted the help of the angels and saints, how much more should we??!

 

[ConstantLearner]

You don’t need a guru, but you do need an authority to understand. Why? Scripture says so. Relying on your own interpretation is precisely what Scripture tells us NOT to do, in fact it condemns it very strongly as I posted above. The end result… 40,000 Protestant denominations relying on their “personal” interpretation vs 1 Catholic church.

There are plenty of companion books and Catholic Study Bibles out there for people who want to study on their own or have to study on their own. It’s possible to do so, though it’s not ideal. Luther didn’t study alone, and he started the whole Protestant mess.