Protestant said praying to Mary isn’t in the bible

[vsedriver]

Early Christians had beads”
No no they didn’t I don’t see how you could possibly prove that Christians done that and even still that would be much different between psalms and praying the rosary

yes, they had beads, they were found in the graves of Christians dated as early as the 3rd century… Unless you don’t consider that ‘early’. The Desert Fathers of the 3rd to 5th centuries, used pebbles or knotted ropes to count prayers, typically the [Jesus Prayer “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner”). The use of knots or beads with which to pray isn’t prohibited in the Bible. So it is OK for Christians to develop a prayer life using beads as aids.

So you object to praying with scripture and you object to meditating on the life of Christ. Doesn’t sound like you know what a Christian prayer life should look like.

Actually it means exactly what it says your not allowed to call man Farther or teacher Rabbi was a Jewish word for teacher Matthew 23:7-8

your understanding of this scripture is incorrect.

Call No Man "Father"? | Catholic Answers Tract

 

[ConstantLearner]

Our Lady’s prayers for us, are they more effacious than other saints? According to scripture she is even higher than the 12 apostles as a saint, ‘And Behold, I saw a woman, clothed with the sun and with the moon under her feet, and on her head, a Crown of Twelve stars.’

How does that phrase show she’s above all others except G-d?

I know you pray to Mary to intercede because she’s the Mother of G-d, in the eyes of Christians.

 

[Fauken]

It’s not fine to be rude, to anyone.

Agreed. I never said it was.

What about Jesus’ saying regarding turning the other cheek? You need to heed that. We all do.

Jesus never said to simply smile and tolerate lies. Anger towards evil is not sinful. Turning the other cheek refers to forgiveness, not apathy towards what’s wrong.

No one likes to hear negativity about their faith, but feeding trolls leads to bigger trolls.

You call what he said “negativity”?

 

[Sbee0]

Sbee0:

You don’t need a guru, but you do need an authority to understand. Why? Scripture says so. Relying on your own interpretation is precisely what Scripture tells us NOT to do, in fact it condemns it very strongly as I posted above. The end result… 40,000 Protestant denominations relying on their “personal” interpretation vs 1 Catholic church.

There are plenty of companion books and Catholic Study Bibles out there for people who want to study on their own or have to study on their own. It’s possible to do so, though it’s not ideal. Luther didn’t study alone, and he started the whole Protestant mess.

I think you’re missing (or not understanding) the point. Of course we can read the bible alone, we don’t need some “guru” with us to do so. But we are in no position to interpret its meaning alone. Scripture clearly tells us that. We need an authority to understand God’s Word as it was meant to be. Without such an authority… you get 40,000 Protestant denominations who all interpreted it their own way.

 

[YoungCatholicGuy]

‘’How does that phrase show she’s above all others except G-d?

I know you pray to Mary to intercede because she’s the Mother of G-d, in the eyes of Christians.‘’
Above quote by Constant’Learner

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Name another saint mentioned in scripture as ‘clothed with the sun and with the moon under their feet, and who has the 12 apostles as stars in their crown?’

Not even Elijah, who was taken up to heaven in a chariot of fire, is mentioned as having such esteem in Heaven,

Anyways don’t argue with catholics, go and research catholic teaching, and why catholics believe what they believe, and then come back here and mention what you disagree with.

 

[ConstantLearner]

Name another saint ‘clothed with the sun and with the moon under their feet, and who has the 12 apostles as stars in their crown?’

I’m Jewish. The saints have no relevance for me. I was only responding to the original post that no where in the bible is it commended to pray to Mary. For a Catholic, it’s a choice.

And, to whoever said “rabbi” was a Jewish word, it comes from the Semitic languages, true, and it means one schooled in Jewish law or one who is qualified in the Jewish faith to act as a teacher.

 

[YoungCatholicGuy]

We catholics believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah.

This is the first question you need to discuss here.

If you believe Jesus Christ to be the Messiah. And the catholic church to be the church He founded, guided
By the Holy Spirit, then these are matters of faith that you would accept.

So forgetting all other questions, as a Jewish person your debate is: ‘Is Jesus Christ the Son of God, the Messiah, prophecied by Isaiah and the psalms.’
Because ALL the prophecies of Isaiah and the Psalm were fulfilled by Jesus life.

This is your true root of disagreement.

 

[ConstantLearner]

The topic is: Is praying to Mary in the bible?

No, it’s not in the bible, but it’s part of Catholic tradition to ask her to intercede.

As an observant Jew, that’s really all I have to say.

 

[vsedriver]

Pope Francis net worth in 2018 was 73 million I don’t know about you but that’s a real strange servant you got there

source?

The pope owns the clothes he wears and a few personal items like books and such. He owns no real estate, bank accounts or any other liquid wealth.

A chief steward is a servant. As chief steward, the pope is responsible for all church assets but actually that is really managed by the Bishops. Each Bishop manages their diocese assets.

so servants can be responsible for managing the wealth of the kingdom, just like it says in the Old Testament.

Peter was not the Kickstarter of the Roman Catholic Church he died long before the law was passed to tolerate Christianity in 313 ad

and I could care less for Peter, Jesus is the head of my church

well we agree! Jesus is the head of my church too. Of course he appointed Peter to represent him here on earth. That’s in the Bible. And my church existed long before the secular rules made it legal to be Christian.

I think any church started back then would’ve been much different then the Roman Catholic Church you see today

well of course! an acorn doesn’t look the same as an oak tree but they are the same plant.

From the beginning the church was liturgical and hierarchical. You can see that in ACTS. And we have early church writings that also show what the church was like.

But I’m still waiting for you to tell me how you know what is and what isn’t sacred scripture.

 

[YoungCatholicGuy]

Over 300 prophecies of the Old Testament were fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

Jewish friend, research this. The MESSIAH has already come, this is your true root of disagreement with the catholic faith.

Biblical Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus

Down through history, God provided us a roadmap. He foretold various signs and conditions through His prophets.

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[YoungCatholicGuy]

1. The Messiah Will Be Born In Bethlehem

Micah 5:2 – “But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, are only a small village in Judah. Yet a ruler of Israel will come from you, one whose origins are from the distant past.”

 

[YoungCatholicGuy]

1. The Messiah Will Be Born Of A Virgin

Isaiah 7:14 – “All right then, the Lord Himself will choose the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call Him Immanuel – ‘God is with us.’”

Isaiah 9:6-7 – “For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. And the government will rest on His shoulders. These will be His royal titles: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. His ever expanding, peaceful government will never end. He will rule forever with fairness and justice from the throne of His ancestor David. The passionate commitment of the Lord Almighty will guarantee this!”

 

[ConstantLearner]

Over 300 prophecies of the Old Testament were fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

You read your own meaning into the Hebrew Bible (we never call it the OT).

I don’t try to change your faith and I would appreciate the same courtesy from you.

When the messiah comes, he will fulfill all the prophecies - in one go. All of the major Hebrew prophets agree on that.

 

[YoungCatholicGuy]

1. The Messiah Will Be A Prophet Like Moses

Deuteronomy 18:15 – “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites, and you must listen to that prophet.”

 

[YoungCatholicGuy]

1. The Messiah Will Be Tempted By Satan

Psalm 91:10-12 – “No evil will conquer you; no plague will come near your dwelling. For He orders His angels to protect you wherever you go. They will hold you with their hands to keep you from striking your foot on a stone.”

 

[YoungCatholicGuy]

He has fulfilled all 300
Prophecies, research it Jewish friend.

 

[YoungCatholicGuy]

So Jesus has fulfilled all 300 prophecies about Him, but is not the Messiah?

That is your point of view Jewish friend.

Please provide quotes from your scriptures to back up your point of view, for listeners here are all backing up their opinions with scripture quotes.

 

[ConstantLearner]

Has the lion laid down with the lamb? No.

Is there peace on earth? No.

Is he reigning over the earth like a king? No.

I could go on and on, but you need to reread Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel They are the same in your bible as mine, except mine is in Hebrew.

 

[vsedriver]

and yup Pope Francis really looks like a servant doesn’t he totally not basically being worshipped

no not ‘worshipped’ but he is loved. It is ok to love someone isn’t it? It is ok to show that love publicly isn’t it?

Perhaps it is you who have a problem understanding exactly what worship really is.

 

[Sbee0]

The topic is: Is praying to Mary in the bible?

No, it’s not in the bible, but it’s part of Catholic tradition to ask her to intercede.

As an observant Jew, that’s really all I have to say.

Catholic view is that the rule of faith is Scripture PLUS tradition - as manifested in the teaching authority of the Catholic Church, to which were entrusted the oral teachings of Christ and the apostles, along with the authority to interpret Scripture correctly - and such an authority is demanded by Scripture itself.

Protestants say it’s just written Scripture, period. Based on the false premise that they are their own authority to interpret the Word of God. Hence 40,000 denominations. Christ did not start 40,000 denominations He started one.

So even if asking Mary to pray for us isn’t verbatim in written scripture - it’s still based on the Word of God that we do so. So any claim that it is “not in the bible” is pointless.