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Jack Chick. That explains it. Don’t believe anything those say.
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PennyinCanada
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Tell this person that he is bearing false witness against his neighbor by passing this false, deceitful messages around. He may not like Catholicism but he is risking his salvation by passing lies to other people. God does not take this lightly.
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”
The Eighth Commandment condemns lying. Because God is regarded as the author of all truth, the Church believes that humans are obligated to honor the truth. The most obvious way to fulfill this commandment is not to lie — intentionally deceive another by speaking a falsehood.
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”
The Eighth Commandment condemns lying. Because God is regarded as the author of all truth, the Church believes that humans are obligated to honor the truth. The most obvious way to fulfill this commandment is not to lie — intentionally deceive another by speaking a falsehood.
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giuseppe96
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Not to mention the words: Trinity, Christmas, or Easter. Or any mention of celebrating those holidays.
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Carmelite1983
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All I can say is that asking for Mary’s prayers every day has undeniably changed my life for the better’in more ways than I could ever fit into this post.
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Rosie11
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Hi he now used this picture and said this is out of context he said Mary cannot hear our prayers(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
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Rosie11
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He also said this Luke 1 My soul glorifies the Lord
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, Mary was a sinner like the rest of us only sinners need a saviour
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, Mary was a sinner like the rest of us only sinners need a saviour
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RealisticCatholic
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Pizza also isn’t in the Bible.
So what?
Point is: The Bible is not, and never was meant to be, a collection of ALL truths and practices a Christian must profess and do in order to be a Christian.
Now, if your friend is claiming that prayer to Mary is ANTI-biblical (against the Bible) then ask for proof. Where does any biblical author say we cannot ask other Christians for their prayers?
The Bible does not do this; in fact, it does the opposite: It MANDATES that we pray for one another. We can pray for each other and ask for each other’s prayers.
The fact that Mary doesn’t do this in Heaven in the Bible is because, for starters, for most of the Bible, Mary is still alive ON EARTH. Why would anyone “pray” for her intercession in the Bible, if she is not yet in Heaven and must be personally approached instead?
Your friend may object that intercession ends at death. That we cannot ask each other to pray for one another after death. Who says? Where does the Bible say this? We know that the Bible says that saints are ALIVE in Heaven. In fact, Revelation straightforwardly depicts heavenly beings — both angels and the “elders” — as interceding before God regarding the prayers of the “saints” (Christians) on Earth.
So what?
Point is: The Bible is not, and never was meant to be, a collection of ALL truths and practices a Christian must profess and do in order to be a Christian.
Now, if your friend is claiming that prayer to Mary is ANTI-biblical (against the Bible) then ask for proof. Where does any biblical author say we cannot ask other Christians for their prayers?
The Bible does not do this; in fact, it does the opposite: It MANDATES that we pray for one another. We can pray for each other and ask for each other’s prayers.
The fact that Mary doesn’t do this in Heaven in the Bible is because, for starters, for most of the Bible, Mary is still alive ON EARTH. Why would anyone “pray” for her intercession in the Bible, if she is not yet in Heaven and must be personally approached instead?
Your friend may object that intercession ends at death. That we cannot ask each other to pray for one another after death. Who says? Where does the Bible say this? We know that the Bible says that saints are ALIVE in Heaven. In fact, Revelation straightforwardly depicts heavenly beings — both angels and the “elders” — as interceding before God regarding the prayers of the “saints” (Christians) on Earth.
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Rosie11
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He also said this about the prayer - It’s says she’s the holy one she is the sinless one you know that’s a lie
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Rosie11
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He also said this
“My soul glorifies the Lord
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
Mary called called god her saviour only sinners need a saviour
“My soul glorifies the Lord
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
Mary called called god her saviour only sinners need a saviour
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Fauken
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Well, it’s not. She was sinless. She was at her birth and throughout all of her life full of grace. That is a fact, that is in the Bible, the angel Gabriel was sent by God and said that. Why would Mary’s sinlessness detract from God’s glory? If in the Old Testament, one would die from touching the inside of the Ark of the Covenant, what makes your friend think that a sinful woman could bear God in the flesh? Why was the Ark of the Covenant made of gold when God had no need of it? Does the fact it’s made of gold overshadow Him, or show the importance of what’s contained in it? So too was Mary.
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RealisticCatholic
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Tell him, yeah you got it. And Mary would have been a sinner if she wasn’t saved by God’s grace
Mary experienced justification like everyone else — only at the moment of her conception, and not merely at a later point, like Baptism or the Protestant’s acceptance of Christ in faith.
Why does the point in time matter? In either case, she was saved by God’s grace.
HOWEVER, even then, this doesn’t mean Mary was aware of all the intricacies of God’s activity in her life. She may never have been aware of the immaculate conception as a concept, just as she would not know the technical understanding of Original Sin or sanctifying grace or even the Trinity. So for all she knew, she was a human in need of God’s saving activity.
We expect too much from Mary if we think she perfectly understood her own justification, which happened at her CONCEPTION! Not much of a memory at THAT point in human development
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Carmelite1983
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I know she hears my prayers because it has been the source of all my grace over the past year.
I’d sooner question the existence of the chair beneath me than the sinless nature and intercessions of Mary our Holy Mother.
I’d sooner question the existence of the chair beneath me than the sinless nature and intercessions of Mary our Holy Mother.
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Rosie11
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Now using this picture
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RealisticCatholic
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Best thing is to pray for him?
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Carmelite1983
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Does he realize the difference between “worshipping Mary and praying TO her” and “loving Mary and ASKING HER to pray FOR US”?
There’s a big difference.
One is idolatry, which many non Catholics point out, and the other is veneration and love.
Not the same.
There’s a big difference.
One is idolatry, which many non Catholics point out, and the other is veneration and love.
Not the same.
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Fauken
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Well then I guess that same friend of yours thinks it’s un-biblical to ask people to pray for him. Or if he doesn’t, then what’s the difference? Does he think people in Heaven don’t care about what’s going on down on earth? “Oh, I’m in Heaven now! Yippee! That’s all that matters, I don’t care about if my mom or dad makes it, because I’m here now!” Absolutely not! The greatness of Heaven would make anyone want to help anyone get there! And what better means than through our prayers while we are as close to God as possible?
Now how does this relate to Mary? What human could know Jesus better than His own mother? How could Mary not love her son and Lord? When the angel came to her, she said, “be it done unto me according to thy will” – Mary wants to do His will! What is His will? That His children be with Him in Heaven! So she prays for all of us in Heaven! And she’s the best at it, since not only does she know Him so well, but because Jesus honors her as His mother. There should be no concern that she’d ask Him to do something against His will, because again, “be it done unto me according to thy will”!
Now how does this relate to Mary? What human could know Jesus better than His own mother? How could Mary not love her son and Lord? When the angel came to her, she said, “be it done unto me according to thy will” – Mary wants to do His will! What is His will? That His children be with Him in Heaven! So she prays for all of us in Heaven! And she’s the best at it, since not only does she know Him so well, but because Jesus honors her as His mother. There should be no concern that she’d ask Him to do something against His will, because again, “be it done unto me according to thy will”!
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Rosie11
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He now said this to me
ROMAN CATHOLICS: You are not saved but lost if you do not believe that Christ suffered for and died for and purged us from ALL of our sins on the cross.(1 John 1: 7 - 9). Your Roman Catholic doctrine of Purgatory denies that Christ suffered for, died for, and purged us from ALL of our sins on the cross, teaching that Roman Catholics must suffer for and be purged of sins in ‘Purgatory’.(1 John 1: 7 - 9). The Gospel is that Christ died for our sins and arose again from the dead. Salvation is promised only to those of us that believe this Gospel. Roman Catholics do not believe this Gospel (1 Corinthians 15: 1 - 4), but believe another Gospel, a Gospel that cannot save. They that preach another Gospel are accursed. (Galatians 1: 8 & 9).
ROMAN CATHOLICS: You are not saved but lost if you do not believe that Christ suffered for and died for and purged us from ALL of our sins on the cross.(1 John 1: 7 - 9). Your Roman Catholic doctrine of Purgatory denies that Christ suffered for, died for, and purged us from ALL of our sins on the cross, teaching that Roman Catholics must suffer for and be purged of sins in ‘Purgatory’.(1 John 1: 7 - 9). The Gospel is that Christ died for our sins and arose again from the dead. Salvation is promised only to those of us that believe this Gospel. Roman Catholics do not believe this Gospel (1 Corinthians 15: 1 - 4), but believe another Gospel, a Gospel that cannot save. They that preach another Gospel are accursed. (Galatians 1: 8 & 9).
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Fauken
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Great, we believe He did!
No it doesn’t. He misunderstands what Purgatory is. I don’t have the time to delve into it right now, but I know someone here can. Here’s a link though!
He’s done nothing but quote strawmen arguments of Catholic teaching, and then tells us we don’t have the true Gospel? He has no idea of what he’s talking about.
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That is directly from a response on the GotQuestions website, an online fundie ministry. That site is extremely ignorant of the Catholic Church, the Catholic faith and even made the despicable assertion one time that the Church is to blame for the Holocaust. Like with Chick, I wouldn’t take anything they say about our faith seriously either.
As for that passage yes Mary WAS saved- by being given the grace to be saved completely from sin - to be born without original sin and protected from falling into sin. That’s salvation as well and scripture backs it up.
Jude 24-25 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
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