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Justy90
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You are so wrong and so blind it’s scary.
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CWBetts
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Care to elaborate? And for the record, you can blaspheme against Blessed Virgin Mary (or any saint for that matter):
Blasphemy consists of utterances against God, inwardly or outwardly–words of hatred, reproach, or defiance; in speaking ill of God; in failing in respect toward him in one’s speech; in misusing God’s name…The prohibition against blasphemy extends to language against Christ’s Church, the saints, and sacred things… (CCC 2148)
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Follow_Yeshua
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Not at all! I hold Mary Mother of Jesus in high regards. She after all was the earthly mother of my Savior. She ministered to many during her times on earth and many drew near to her tenderness. But in my opinion (please don’t take offense) it ended there. I do believe that her spirit is with God and she will have that spirit breathed into her bones on the day of resurrection. I think her identity has been hijacked and we will see a culmination of all these prophecies and miracles real soon. I truly believe that Mary will be the central figure in the end time scenario.
A Vatican approved prophetess Ven. Magdalene Porzat predicted the arrival of Mary in the Flesh.
So here’s the big gamble in my humble opinion, either she is or she isn’t. I’m sticking with Yeshua only. That’s why I left the church.
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CWBetts
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Sticking with Yeshua only isn’t acceptable. We are to interact with the Body of Christ.
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Follow_Yeshua
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In this life and body…its Yeshua or nothing. Do you teach @ Franciscan U?
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CWBetts
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Nope. 1st Semester MA Theology taking undergrad prerequisites. What about the Rest of the Trinity? This stuff is outlined fairly clearly in the Sacred Scriptures and the Apostolic Fathers.
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elvisman
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**So the Early Church Fathers got it all wrong and led the Catholic Church astray for 2000 years – and now YOU have it right? **
Thanks – but I’ll stick with Jesus’ promise to his Church in Matt. 16:18.
****I’ll also stay out of the pit of moral relativism - unless you need some company. . .
First of all – Popes throughout the years have had their opinions – some wrong, some right. Not everything that comes out of a Pope’s mouth is considered infallible teaching.
****As for me – I don’t believe that we can prove ****conclusively whether it is authentic or not. The same can be said for the writings of Plato, Socrates, Flavius Josephus and most of the other writers of antiquity. What we DO depend on is the testimony of those who lived during or shortly after those times who preserved and passed those writings down.
Many of them were. Read the writings of historians, Josephus, Domition and Pliny, though they don’t list them by name.
Funny, how Protestants will accept just about any extra-biblical/historical evidence about the existence of Jesus - but never as it applies to the Catholic viewpoint . . .
Can you tell me which beliefs they were executed for in the Early Church? It was for a plethora of beliefs.
**The writings of Domition and Pliny tell us that they were executed for their adherence to flagitia (hatred of the human race, which was really just a rejection of worldliness), promiscuity & incest (their outward love for each other), and cannibalism (consumption of the Body and Blood of Jesus).
This is the folly and tragedy of Protestantism. You are limited because of your misconception that only the written word of God is to be followed and not the spoken. The written word itself smashes this mistake to bits. Not only did Jesus and the Apostles NOT believe in the error of Sola Scriptura – they didn’t teach it either:
Matt 16:16-19, Matt. 18:15-18, 2 Thess 2:15, 2 Thess. 3:6, 2 Tim. 2:2, 1 Cor. 11:2, 2 Tim. 1:12-14.
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elvisman
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Care to tell me how and why - or are you just another hit-and-run poster with nothing to contribute?
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Justy90
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Oh no, I’m no hit and run poster my friend. You are outrageous with your unfounded attacks on folks who may not share the same beliefs with the same intensity that you have. Hey look, nobody here is disrespecting the mother of our Lord. It is deplorable that you wrongly say that Protestants disrespect Mary. Who exactly are you talking about Elvisman? I’m a Protestant who recognizes Mary as the foremost of all the Saints in Heaven. I love Mary for her yes to God and the role model she is for all Christians. I’m no kind of a Mary hater and I don’t appreciate being unfairly called one.
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Justy90
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Blaspheme?? I didn’t say anything! And who are you to assume that just because I’m not Catholic I don’t know anything about Saints and I have no belief system or reverance for them? You are badly mistaken in your prejudice my friend. I love and respect those who were martyred for Christ and I love and honor the mother of our Lord who gave her resounding yes to God. I know about sacred things and I don’t need you or anybody else to stereotype me to those who do not.
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leighfus
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Hello to all,
Can someone tell me where it states in the Bible that Mary was sinless?.. Cuz from what I gather, Jesus was the only sinless person to ever walk the earth. So to go against the Bible is blasphemy and I don’t care what religion you are.
Can someone tell me where it states in the Bible that Mary was sinless?.. Cuz from what I gather, Jesus was the only sinless person to ever walk the earth. So to go against the Bible is blasphemy and I don’t care what religion you are.
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Follow_Yeshua
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I do believe in the trinity. Yahweh the Father, His Son (Who is God in the flesh) and the holy spirit.
I will never venerate another man other than Earthly praise such as good job etc…
Yeshua only…if I know him, I know the father.
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Follow_Yeshua
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There is no biblical veneration of Mary. In fact it was a common theme for a number of Jews at that time to worship Ashtoreth or Astarte a pagan goddess. It is possible that the woman in Luke 11 had regards to Ashtoreth for even Solomon himself went after her. The wisest man ever!
1 Kings 11
4For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
5For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
6And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.
Luke 11
27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Ashteroth was known as the queen of Heaven
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guanophore
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God created her special so that she could bear the Son. Having a special call and consecration to God does not mean a person is “better” than another. .I am not really sure what you mean by that, but no one else in history ever did, or ever shall, have teh privilege that she did.
She was not a sinner. Jesus was without sin, He did not take sinful flesh unto Himself from her. She was full of grace - no room for sin.
Have you ever looked at the Scriptures telling us how Jesus interacted with Mary? At least twice her, speaking to her, called her woman not mother (or mom). Once when He was brought news that His mothers and brothers had come to see Him, He responded saying, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Maybe Jesus knew that people would one day misunderstand Mary’s role and make her out to be a person not intended by God. My guess is that Mary, if she’s paying attention to us from Heaven, cringes when she is exalted by us. I’ll bet she says, “NO, DON"T look to me, look to my Son. I’m just like you; I’ve needed saving and my Son saved me for all that calls upon the Name of the Lord will be saved. I called upon Him. Will you?”
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Follow_Yeshua
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Oh my gosh! Well said! I celebrate my King Yeshua with you right now in spirit!
Hallelujah!
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CWBetts
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Though it does not say explicitly in the Scriptures Mary was sinless, neither does it go against the Scriptures that Mary was sinless or that she could have been conceived without sin. First I will address the sinlessness question. Many Protestants use Romans 5:12 to say that everybody sins:
*12: Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned --/I]
To use this verse as evidence that Mary must have sinned is somewhat problematic. The first is that we all know of a man who did not sin: Jesus Christ. Yes Jesus was fully God, but at the same time he was fully man. So there is one man who did not sin. Also, to say that absolutely everybody sins, you must claim that infants who day after just a few days have personal sin. Is that true? Of course not. Next, we will look at another a couple of more passages, to establish the meaning of “all” within the context of this verse.
From Hebrews:
11:5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death; and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was attested as having pleased God.
From Genesis:
5:22 Enoch walked with God after the birth of Methu’selah three hundred years, and had other sons and daughters.
5:23 Thus all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years.
5:24 Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.
From 2 Kings:
2:11 And as they still went on and talked, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Eli’jah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
I have now shown you some examples that not everyone has died. Neither Elijah nor Enoch died. So we can safely assume that the “all” in reference to death can be taken to mean “As a general rule, everybody does, bit there can be exceptions”. It would be a mistake to think that the “all” in reference to sin means “absolutely all,” while the “all” in reference to death means “generally everybody, with some exceptions”
Of course you could also try to justify your position by using another verse in Romans:
3:10 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
The important part of this verse is the phrase “as it is written.” This is our clue to tell us that St. Paul is quoting the Old Testament. If you look at the whole passage you will see that Psalm 53 is being quoted. :
1: The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, doing abominable iniquity; there is none that does good.
2: God looks down from heaven upon the sons of men to see if there are any that are wise, that seek after God.
3: *They have all fallen away; they are all alike depraved; there is none that does good, no, not one. *
4: Have those who work evil no understanding, who eat up my people as they eat bread, and do not call upon God?
5: There they are, in great terror, in terror such as has not been! For God will scatter the bones of the ungodly; they will be put to shame, for God has rejected them.
6: O that deliverance for Israel would come from Zion! When God restores the fortunes of his people, Jacob will rejoice and Israel be glad.
As you see, the reference to none being righteous is talking about who? Everybody? No. The Psalm is talking about the enemies of His people. So is St. Paul misrepresenting what David wrote in the Psalms in his epistle to the Romans? Is Scripture misrepresenting Scripture? Of course not. So what can we say? We can say that though not explicitly in Scripture, the teaching that Our Blessed Mother lived her life without sin is in no way contrary to the Scriptures.*
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guanophore
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Of course? Where do you think we got our reinforcement for giving her such high honor?
It is inappropriate for us to insert our modern notions of words and connotations into the Holy Scripture. Jesus addressed His mother with the title of Woman because she replaced Eve as the mother of all livng. She, by her obedience, accomplished what Eve failed to do, by her disobedience.
Mary was Blessed to bear theSon of God, but she is even more blessed because she was obedient to Him. We all have the same potential to be honored by God, if we follow her example of perfect obedience and humility.
I think you are right on about this. I think this is why He had to give His infallible teaching to the Church, guide and protect the Truth in the Church, so that 2000 years after the fact, revisionists would be unable to stamp out the truth.
No, no one “cringes” in heaven. Mary’s soul “magnifies the Lord”. That means looking at or through her will make Jesus look even bigger! Her life and heart are a lens that magnifies Him.
Remember that Paul wrote “follow me, as I follow Christ”. He was not being arrogant.
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guanophore
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Amen! May we all be so delivered. It is very Catholic of you to say that!
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elvisman
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**Name one unfounded attack. When did I say that ALL Protestants disrespect Mary? **When did I accuse YOU of this?
Maybe you ought to READ my posts before lashing out irrationally. Perhaps explaining your rants would serve you better.
So - HOW am I so wrong and so blind?
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Justy90
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Post #120. You can’t even remember what you wrote.Name one unfounded attack. When did I say that ALL Protestants disrespect Mary? When did I accuse YOU of this?
Maybe you ought to READ my posts before lashing out irrationally. Perhaps explaining your rants would serve you better.
So - HOW am I so wrong and so blind?
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