Protestants and Mary

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elvisman said:
***Again ***with the hit-and-run remarks - but NO substance, no educated reply . . .:rolleyes:
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Why waste the time and energy? Beyond anyone else here, you have displayed the utmost unwillingness to ponder anything outside your institution.
 
elvisman said:
This wasn’t an insult against his mother. It was a commendation because Mary’s example is the fact that she heard the word of God and kept it by doing His will.
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You truly don’t get this passage; you read it as if you are reading a different language.

The woman was trying to bestow honor on his mother and notice how quickly Yeshua nullified that by saying “blessed is he who hears the Word of God and keeps it”
 
elvisman said:
This wasn’t an insult against his mother. It was a commendation because Mary’s example is the fact that she heard the word of God and kept it by doing His will.
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Why do you continue to press the insult agenda? Nobody is trying to insult the mother of the Lord.
 
Follow_Yeshua said:
Romans 3
22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:** for there is no difference:
23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God**;
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Oh dear. I think you have me trapped. Not really, no. You cannot simply take a verse out of context and use that as defense for your misbegotten beliefs. It is the difference between “proof-texting” and studying the Scriptures for deeper meaning. Earlier in that very same chapter, Scriptures say “there is none that seeks after God”. Do you seek God? I know I do. But if these uses of “all” and “none” are absolutes, it makes the Scriptures wrong! And I return to a previous example: are small infants guilty of personal sin? St. Paul does not write “all but children have sinned” he says ALL have sinned. If this is an absolute all, then you must also condemn children, and even the unborn, seeing as how life begins at conception of having no hope without Jesus. This verse in no way precludes the possibility of Mary being preserved from sin all throughout her life. And we Catholics do not say that she is without sin by her own power, only that God preserved her form sin. Was Mary without sin? Yes, but only through the Immaculate Conception (a miraculous act of God) and by God’s protection.
 
Follow_Yeshua said:
You truly don’t get this passage; you read it as if you are reading a different language.

The woman was trying to bestow honor on his mother and notice how quickly Yeshua nullified that by saying “blessed is he who hears the Word of God and keeps it”
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It is you who fails to understand.

The woman was speaking of his mother in the flesh - not the Spirit.
Jesus responded to her and lauded the Spiritual aspect of his mothers role - not the fleshly.
 
Justy, (or should I say member of the Church of King Henry?) Catholic interpretation of the Scriptures is DEPENDENT on context! We take literary, historical, and cultural context into account. The Scriptures do not stand on their own. An understanding of who was being written to, the original audience, and so on must be taken into account.
 
Justy90 said:
Why do you continue to press the insult agenda? Nobody is trying to insult the mother of the Lord.
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Whenever you or anybody else sopeaks against her - it’s an insult.

I have seen this passage quoted ad nauseam by Protestants trying to discredit Mary and all they do is twist the Scriptures to their own destruction (2 Pet. 3:16).
 
elvisman said:
**As has *already ***been explained to you - New Testament fulfillments of types found in the Old Testament are ALWAYS more glorious and perfect than the type itself. This rule of Scripture is withoutexception.
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and has been explained, it is a considerable stretch to claim that Mary was the new ark and from there it is a stretch to claim that she must have been sinless
Anyway - the fact that Jesus promised that the Holy spirit would lead his Church to ALL truth and that the Holy spirit would take from what was his (Jesus) and declare it to the Church (John 16:13-15) makes this entire thread moot anyway . . .
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…right, the use of CC’s declaration that scripture states that the CC couldn’t err to prove that the CC didn’t err isn’t circular at all and really settles the matter.
 
Justy90 said:
You twist and distort and completely metamorphasize the entire meaning of Scripture. What more can I say?
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AGAIN - if you’re not going to explain your position - and instead resort to ad hominem attacks - why bother posting?

PS - Maybe you should look up “ad hominem”.
 
elvisman said:
AGAIN - if you’re not going to explain your position - and instead resort to ad hominem attacks - why bother posting?

PS - Maybe you should look up “ad hominem”.
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Maybe you should look up courtesy.
 
elvisman said:
Whenever you or anybody else sopeaks against her - it’s an insult.

I have seen this passage quoted ad nauseam by Protestants trying to discredit Mary and all they do is twist the Scriptures to their own destruction (2 Pet. 3:16).
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I’ll pray for you.
 
Radical said:
and has been explained, it is a considerable stretch to claim that Mary was the new ark and from there it is a stretch to claim that she must have been sinless
…right, the use of CC’s declaration that scripture states that the CC couldn’t err to prove that the CC didn’t err isn’t circular at all and really settles the matter.
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Radical -
Your arguments stem from a lack - or refusal - to understand the concept of implicit teaching and explicit. As you stated earlier - it appears that we are at an impasse that cannot be breached until the truth has been revealed to you.

You can be shown type after type and evidence after evidence which you would undoubtedly refuse just as I could refuse to believe its raining - even though I’m getting soaked from the storm.

It really boils down to spiritual pride.
 
Justy90 said:
You treat this like its a battle. What is your problem?
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When a person is unfairly attacked - just as in battle - one must defend oneself - and the truth.

**You remind me of the proverbial spoiled child who taunts a German Shepherd - then wonders why he got bit . . .:rolleyes:
 
elvisman said:
Please do - 'cause I’ll be doing the same for you.
While I’m at it - I’ll ask some of my fellow members of the Body of Christ in Heaven to join me in prayer.
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and I will be doing the same (including Mary).
 
Justy90 said:
That’s an excellent point. We can certainly view Mary in a biblical fashion and hold her in a high regard without having to adhere to Catholic dogmas. I believe that’s what many mainline Protestants do.
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it is better than nothing, certainly, but our point is that God honored Mary prior to any of the NT being written, and the church honored her according to what Christ did. For that reason, our framework of honoring her is not extrapolated centuries after the fact from what moderns believe is “biblical”, but is based upon what Jesus did and taught. What He did and taught to the Church did not disappear when some of it was written down.
 
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