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CWBetts
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So you are telling me you have no Scriptural basis for this position…it is just your opinion.
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2nd_Adam
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Please see the link that I just added in regards to the visible and invisible church on post 1003…
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elvisman
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And if you read the Bible more carefully - you’d know that MY Church is the ONLY Church established by Jesus Christ.
Yours and ALL the rest were established by flawed, rebellious men.
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onenow1
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quote = onenow1. Indeed ! Now we must find the church of believers, following truth.
How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans the Eucharist is the true presence of Christ, and then tell the Baptists it is only a symbol?
How can the Holy Spirit tell the Methodists it is alright to have female ministers, and then tell the Baptists it is unbiblical?
How can the Holy Spirit tell the Seventh-Day Adventists that Saturday is the day of worship, and then tell the Presbyterians the day of worship is Sunday and not Saturday?
How can the Holy Spirit tell the Lutherans that the Blessed Virgin Mary was and remains always virgin, and then tell the Baptists she had other children?
How can the Holy Spirit tell the Baptists, “once saved always saved”, and then tell the Church of Christ that Sola Fides is unscriptural?
How can the Holy Spirit tell Episcopalians to baptize infants and then tell Pentecostals infant baptism is invalid?
Could it be one of these above ?
Back to topic : Lukle 1:30 And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus.
32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David,
33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
Peace,and God Bless
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Good_Fella
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The church at Ephesus was part of the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church in a unity of faith and one common baptism with the other churches established by the apostles. It wasn’t an independent denomination as are the churches in the Protestant tradition. Each church was governed under the head of a bishop who was appointed and ordained by an apostle by the end of the first century. The apostolic churches were united by commonly partaking of the body and blood of Christ in the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist under the apostolic governing authority of a single college of bishops. St. Paul ordained St. Timothy Bishop of Ephesus in A.D. 65 to succeed him.
“See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those who carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is either administered by a bishop, or by one to whom he entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”
St. Bishop Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110)
“They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again.”
Epistle to the Smyrneans, 7:1
PAX :tiphat:
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Good_Fella
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No Catholic theologian or even a lone bishop is always correct in his private theological speculations. The charism of infallibilty does not extend beyond the Pope in union with the college of Bishops (Ordinary/Universal Magisterium). Isaiah (5:38; 54:13-17) prophesied of a time when sons will be taught by God and will not err. In other words, the Holy Spirit’s gift of infallibilty shall be conferred on the apostolic teaching authority of the one universal (catholic) Church. The Holy Spirit descended on the apostles at Pentecost to guide the Church in all truth until the end of time. The divine office to authentically preach the Gospel began with them and has continued by valid succession. The Bride of Christ cannot err when teaching on faith and morals, since God himself prevents her from doing so. The early Christians believed that Isaiah’s prophecy was fulfilled in the birth of the Church, seen as “the way” (Acts 9:2; 22:4; 24:14,22). Our Marian doctrines are true revelations from God! :yup:
“For it will not be you who speak but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.”
Matthew 10, 20
“…All those are not partakers who do not join themselves to the Church, but defraud themselves of life through their perverse opinions and infamous behaviour. For where the Church is, there is the Spirit of God; and where the Spirit of God is, there is the Church, and every kind of grace; but the Spirit is truth.”
St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:24 (A.D. 180)
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fbl9
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That which you (Dokimas) hold to be the truth must be the truth to you.Yet in this post you declare that which you believe may be false.To me this sounds of a man with two faceswhich is not a good thing according to scripture.
With this kind of self knowledge wouldn’t be better to acctually know the truth…
You see when one knows the truth they know the answers they give are correct.
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Bengoshi
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Chist’s humanity has nothing to do with the imaaculate conception. Such a fact is irrelevant and immaterial to His hypostatic union.
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Bengoshi
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Oh, how easily you suspect people! I wouldn’t say something which is not true from my own experience. It is also not something you should be fuming mad about. I have been reading a lot of stuff, not to mention the cases that I am handling, that I sometimes forget where I have read something, especially if it’s from the web. I even showed that encyclical to my girlfriend. It’s a famous one but right now, I just can’t really remember the title of the enclyclical.Please don’t quote someone if you cannot provide the citation/source. Find the source and THEN provide it before using it to reinforce some point. That is suspect behavior.
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Bengoshi
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Her lack of being mentioned often does not prove anything. We love her but we focus more on the Trinity than on her as a topic of our sermons. However, there are times that she is really mentioned to drive a point and also to illustrate unquestioned obedience and faith in God.Oh really – Then why is she seldom mentioned (if ever) in Protestant sermons? Why is she mostly treated as a mere vessel rather than the Mother of God? This doesn’t sound like love to me.
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Bengoshi
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I agree. However, a problem arises when people, especially a lot of Catholics, ascribe to Mary a higher position that which God intended to the point of even thinking that she is superior to God because she is His mother. Of course, in our world, a mother is always superior to the son. I know that that is not what the RCC teches, but unfortunately, that is how a lot of people, Catholics included, view it. That is why there is an accompanying danger in refering to Mary as the “Mother of God” although logically, she is.
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Bengoshi
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AFTER being saved of course. I know where you are getting at. However, remember the OT prophets, heroes, and “saints”? They were already in effect saved even before Christ was crucified. They looked forward to and had faith in the coming Messiah, but that doesn’t mean they were born sinless. Same thing with Mary.
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Bengoshi
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What do you mean? Please give a citation. Thanks.
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Bengoshi
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What I said was an answer to a question, not necessarily related to the topic of this thread.
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Bengoshi
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Where in scripture does it require that someone have a physical body in order to intercede for someone?
They intercede alright, but that is different from their ability to hear our mental prayers.
Oh. Ok. So if they are members of the Body, are they dead limbs hanging?
Whatever!
Bengoshi, Bengoshi. I don’t know why you have so much hostility toward my Latin Rite brethren.
Actually, the Latin Rite did not yet exist separately when the canon of scripture was closed. However, it is correct to say that the CC has added to the words of the Bible. The Catholic Church added the entire NT, in fact. All 27 books are Catholic, and there is nothing contained in them that is not Catholic.
I don’t have hostility towards the RCC, in fact, I love Catholics. I just want to enlighten and correct certain wrong notions of the RCC.
Where does scripture say this was a requirement. If it was a requirement, why would Jesus violate His own principles by talking to Elijah and Moses? Even more, why did He go out of His way to make sure the Apsotles were present and could witness it?
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See the story in Luke 16, especially verse 26.They can hear whatever God wants them to hear. Do you think that Moses and Elijah could “hear” Jesus?
Well, all of those persons exist outside the space time continuum, and they are really not"on earth" in sense that we are who have bodies. I am glad we agree that God is able.
I am not sure why you think there is some sort of impassible barrier around the earth that those no longer physically present cannot be spiritually present.
Such a concept is not scriptural either.
Have you ever looked at the creeds of the early Church? do you know what the “communion of saints” means?
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Bengoshi
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Where in Scripture did Mary say that she was taking a vow of celibacy? By the way, if what you say is true, then poor Joseph, he had a wife but couldn’t have sex with her… what a torture!
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Bengoshi
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Dokimas
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It’s not a problem with the Holy Spirit; it’s a problem with you and me and our ability to listen. That includes the leaders of all churches: no one listens purfectly … NO ONE.
BTW, I don’t speak for anyone’s belief but my own. God will hold me accountable for me, not for you. Being accountable for myself is quite scary.- Status