Protestants are not a different "religion" from Catholics

  • Thread starter Thread starter tmj365
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
John 20:21-23, “He therefore said to them again, ‘Peace be to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you’. When He had said this, He breathed upon them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit; whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained’.”

Here Jesus Himself gives those He nominated to lead HIs Church the power and authority to forgive. how are they to forgive unless we confess? Please fighting God.
 
2Corinthians 5:17-20, “Therefore, if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come.** All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them,** and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, GOD making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”
 
2Corinthians 2:10, “Whom you pardon anything, I also pardon. Indeed, what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I have done for your sakes, IN THE PERSON OF CHRIST.”
 
2 Corinthians 5:18-20: All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
 
Hi, Wisdomseeker,

Let me compliment you on an excellent set of posts. 👍

God bless
2 Corinthians 5:18-20: All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
 
Hi, Benedictus2,

I was getting a little lonesome and saw you were on this thread … so, i thought I would join in… 🙂

One of the things that has amazed me is how Revativism has made itself apparent in so many areas. I came across an interesting link that is for everyone - but, especially for the OP: holymotherchurch.blogspot.com/2011/07/anglicanism-case-study-in-moral.html

The idea of equating the Church to a social or civic club is really very scary… :eek: Ultimately, we are wagering our eternal salvation on the delusional ideas of a bunch of ‘good old boys (and girls)’ as opposed to what Christ taught. While there have been many differences between the Anglican system and Catholic belief - nothing has been so breathtakingly amazing as the Anglican embrace of homosexual BEHAVIOR. This is truly a ‘Love the sinner and love the sin’ approach to destroying the Gospel of Christ.

They are simply a ship without a rudder - and any and all abominations are quite possible on this turbulent sea of life. As I see it, they are sinking and nothing can save their little boat - now is the time to flee back to the safety of the Catholic Church with its divinely promised guidance of the Holy Spirit.

God bless
And another wonderful post!👍
That all just about sums it up. The dictatorship of relativism.

I truly wonder how one can think the Anglican communion not a protestant Church when it was born in protest of the sanctity of marriage. 🙂
 
david ruiz;8562040:
So as you say in your original posting, uniting the body in the Fourth Century, investigate the body united in the 4th century for its beliefs and compare and contrast with today.🙂
Catholics are required to believe these dogmas of Faith. So if you were taught that everything is in the Creed, you were seriously misinformed.-tqualey post. Well is it because things were added to later church dogma ,or did the Creed leave out important dogmas ?
 
Hi, David Ruiz,

Responding this way does not indicate to me you have much, if any, of a genuine education in the Catholic Faith. This is not meant to be offensive but let me give you some articles of the Catholic Faith (and that means if you deny these articles you have excommunicated yourself - so that you are no longer a Catholic) that ARE NOT specifically included in the Apostles Creed:

There is no mention of the Eucharist

There is no mention of any of the six other Sacraments, and

There is no mention any of the Marian doctrines (Immaculate Conception, Perpetual Virginity, Assumption into Heaven and Crowing as Queen of Heaven)

Catholics are required to believe these dogmas of Faith. So if you were taught that everything is in the Creed, you were seriously misinformed. Here is a link you may find helpful: anawim.pair.com/CATHOLICS/INFO.htm

God bless
Again,that is my point. The earliest rule of faith was less cluttered.
 
2Corinthians 2:10, “Whom you pardon anything, I also pardon. Indeed, what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I have done for your sakes, IN THE PERSON OF CHRIST.”
So Corinthians could pardon one another ? Or was Corinthians written to their priests only? Does not all forgiveness have it’s foundation in Christ-hence forgiveness is divine.
 
2 Corinthians 5:18-20: All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
Amen.That is the gospel baby.
 
2Corinthians 5:17-20, “Therefore, if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come.** All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them,** and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, GOD making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.”
Amen-you must be born again !
 
John 20:21-23, “He therefore said to them again, ‘Peace be to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you’. When He had said this, He breathed upon them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit; whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained’.”

Here Jesus Himself gives those He nominated to lead HIs Church the power and authority to forgive. how are they to forgive unless we confess? Please fighting God.
Confess what ? What they confessed to Peter on Pentecost -what must we do ? Repent (believe) be baptized , have your sins washed away, by the blood of Christ -whom we crucified.Pentecost -they received the Holy Ghost ,as did many -lay people. Are we not also baptized in the Holy Ghost ?
 
Leviticus 19:20-22, “If a man lies carnally with a woman . . . they shall not be put to death . . . but he shall bring a guilt offering for himself to the Lord, to the door of the tent of meeting, a ram for a guilt offering. And the priest shall make atonement for him . . . before the Lord for his sin which he has committed, and the sin which he has committed shall be forgiven him.”
Yep old testament-does not mention confessing to “priest”. You sin, you bring the animal as prescribed by law. The priest might or might not know the specifics. Did not matter .What was necessary was for the sinner to lay hand on the animal for transference of sin to animal -all without words detailing sin , and the priest thrust the knife
 
Leviticus 16:32, “This atonement is to be made by the priest who has been anointed and ordained to the priesthood in succession to his father.”

Here also mentions the line of succession. Interesting, dont you think.
Yes. You know why it was needed in the first place ? What was the original promise ? Take you to the promised land where I will make you a kingdom of priests ? Yes . But they sinned in desert .All died.Next generation entered ,but only one twelth would be priests.They needed priests .Needed some sort of mechanism for maintenance .Atonement was a covering .Christ is now our propitiation, not just a covering , but a full washing. Hebrews says priesthood is old and weak , and failed, and not necessary because of Christ’s efficacy and our new creation.
 
david ruiz;8535558:
That is not true there are many passages in the OT that refers to confession and priests offering sacrifice to atone for their sins. How would the priest know to offer sacrifice unless the person would go to him and confess. It is you fault understand of Scriptures that makes you ignorant of them.

Leviticus 5:5-6, “…then whoever is guilty in any of these cases shall confess the sin he has incurred, and as his sin offering for his sin he has committed he shall bring to the Lord a female animal from the flock, a ewe lamb or a she-goat. The priest shall then make atonement for his sin.”
See also Leviticus 5:10,13,16,18, 12:8, 14:18-20,31, 15:15,30, 19:22.

there are too many to write but will post more.
No. You have it …wrong. So first you confess .Then you are given penance -told what animal to bring ,then slay the animal -and now you are atoned -2 visits .What ,they did not know the law ? They did not memorize it, teach it to their children, morning, noon, and night ? I believe they knew what offering was needed, brought it with them, brought it to priests whom slew the animal with hand of penitent on animal for sin transference- 1 trip.
 
So Corinthians could pardon one another ? Or was Corinthians written to their priests only? Does not all forgiveness have it’s foundation in Christ-hence forgiveness is divine.
Yeah, it sure makes it difficult to argument with someone when it lacks reason.

You dont seem to be able to make the connection between the OT and the NT. Protestants are confused about both. they seem to think that Jesus came to change everything and gave them freedom to believe as they please. they dont seem to get their heads around to understand how God works in the past and today. He is the same God before, during Jesus times and today. Nothing really changed excepted that now we eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink HIs Blood. whereas before, they ate the flesh of a pure animal. the Priesthood never ceased to exist, it only changed to those whom Jesus chose. the line of succession continues because that is how God works. it was taking from the Jews and given to another.

there is a passage in teh Bible that tell the store of a few men who were trying to do exorcism and the demon told them that he knew who Paul and Peter(if i recall correctly) but he did not know who those men were and they took off in fear. these were men who decided to nominate themselves to do only what the Apostles and those whom the Apostles called to do. you look but you cannot see or understand.
 
The CC for sure .But wait, CC says the Apostles Creed is a Catholic document,once known as “rule of faith”. What did the original Apostles Creed leave out ?
Hello David,
Iaccurate again:
Not the ‘Rule’ but the’profession of the Faith CCC# 194, It is a summary of the Apostle’s faith,

and if we had to profess everything they taught, we’d be reciting it our whole lives

Even John wrote that Jesus’ teachings alone…

Jhn 21:25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.
Code:
 The Bible is incomplete!   without the teaching Traditions of the Church. So saith the Bible:
Eph 3:7 Of this gospel I was made a minister according to the gift of God’s grace which was given me by the working of his power.

Eph 3:8 To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,

Eph 3:9 and to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things;

Eph 3:10 that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places.

Let’s see the Protestants in the distrust of the Catholic Faith, toook away Reason concerning the Scriptures and Bible alone became their Rule of faith.

Judaism was never a Torah alone, nor did the Apostles teach Scripture alone.

If everything Jesus did could not possibly be written How do you expect the Apostles and the Early Church leaders to write everything down? from the fifth century, there existed unanimity in the West concerning the New Testament canon (as it is today),[14] and by the fifth century the Eastern Church, with a few exceptions, had come to accept the Book of Revelation and thus had come into harmony on the matter of the New Testament canon.

it was the Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church, which made it possible for the Protestants to pick and choose their Own Canon from it.

In the N.T. their is only one mention of a rule:

Gal 6:14 But far be it from me to glory except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
16 Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God.

In the Roman Catholic Church, the Bible and Sacred Tradition (that is, things believed to have been taught by Jesus and the apostles that were not recorded in the Bible but were transmitted through the church) are considered a rule for all believers for judging faith and practice. (Not Just the Apostles Creed}

Thank you,
God bless,
John
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top