Protestants: Do you think Mary disciplined Jesus?

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Do you believe Jesus required spanking/discipline? If so, how often do you think? Do you think Mary was a typical teenager? Did she require a lot of discipline and why? Just interested in the multitude of beliefs.
 
I believed He didn’t because He would need to have sinned to merit it, since you don’t spank children for even inculpably effecting a material violation of some moral law. And I don’t think Jesus would have committed even an inculpable material violation of a moral law anyway. And we know that Our Lady never sinned either.
 
I believed He didn’t because He would need to have sinned to merit it, since you don’t spank children for even inculpably effecting a material violation of some moral law. And I don’t think Jesus would have committed even an inculpable material violation of a moral law anyway. And we know that Our Lady never sinned either.
I’d agree with this, generally.

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Discipline is also teaching, so both required TEACHING, but neither required punishment, since they did not sin.
 
It’s hard to imagine that a member of the Trinity needed spanking. 😃
It’s easier to imagine him picking up a dead little bird and it springing to life!
 
What? :eek:

Number one: We are talking about God, and His sinless mother. You are applying human failings to God and His own chosen mother!
 
Answer: never.

Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, King of all that is visible and invisible, never sinned. He is the Second Person in the Blessed Trinity.

Mary was conceived without sin, born without sin, lived without sin. The Blessed Virgin Mother of God, the Theotokos, Queen of Heaven and Earth, was sinless.
 
Lets put it this way. I have a granddaughter who is the finest young woman anyone could hope to meet. I had much to do with her and for some years looked after her before and after school, and on school holidays, One day she asked me, “Grandma, do you ever feel cross with me?” I smiled at her and asked, “what do you think?” Her lovely face broke into a smile and she shook her little head, “No!”, she exclaimed" I never had to become cross with her or discipline her, because she was so lovely and good, not lifeless but a child that my father described as 'bubbling like freshly-poured champagne". Showing the goodness of her heart, at age seven, she asked me, “Grandma, can I ask you a personal question? Are you really Mary. You are so good and kind,and you pray a lot!” That child thought I might be our Mother in disguise. If an ordinary child of an ordinary family can be as she was and is…just exactly how could we imagine that Jesus, the best of sons and Mary the best of mothers, could ever find a need for a slap!!! 🙂
 
In that time, and culture it was not the duty of a mother to discipline her Children if Pop was there. In this case there was a Father figure Present Joseph while not his Biological Father was a his earthly Father, and I suspect might have had to administer direction to the young Jesus. As we read during his three year public ministry Jesus on several occasions gives his Mother moments of angst. During the Wedding at Cana Mary asked Jesus to help when they ran out of wine He did so, but not before asking her why in front of all the guests.Also after the death of Mary’s brother
Lazarus the Lord shows up late even after being told well in advance of the gravity of the situation. When he gets there Mary was PO and gets testy with him. He in return asked her why.There is also several occasions when he refers to Mary as Woman Did any of us ever do that with our own Mother I suspect not. She may not have spanked Jesus, but I rather think she may have entertained the thought of knocking him on his duff a few times
 
Do you believe Jesus required spanking/discipline? If so, how often do you think? Do you think Mary was a typical teenager? Did she require a lot of discipline and why? Just interested in the multitude of beliefs.
  1. No. Spanking is a corporal punishment for a transgression. To assert Jesus was ever disciplined for anyone other than ME (you too!) is to say He was an imperfect sacrifice. And that’s not the case.
  2. No. We have allowed our society to stunt the growth of adults in all manners and further hold them by the neck encouraging childish behavior in adults. Don’t taint the concept with modern phenomena.
  3. No. She was full of grace, conceived without sin through the power of God, and like the Church is perfect through God being that she is the new Ark of the Covenant. Holding the lifeless body of her son, of the Son, I can’t help but think “She got blood on her!”. Well, what does that mean? The blood of the eternal Passover Lamb made its way to the eternal Ark, being pleasing to God, which held all the promises, the law, the bread… oh man, it’s so layered it’s uncanny. It’s… prophecy unfolded in perfection.
Here’s a great explanation from Ann Barnhardt on the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary:
On The Immaculate Conception & Science (Part 1)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - December 17, AD 2011 9:19 PM MST
Here’s your Christian catechesis for the weekend. First, who exactly is “the Immaculate Conception”? Most Catholics today are so incredibly ignorant and poorly catechized in their faith that a sickening number would say that Jesus is who the term “Immaculate Conception” is referring to. That would be wrong. Mary is the Immaculate Conception.
And here is where all of the non-Catholics begin to feel a distinct tightening in the solar plexis, a rush of blood to the face, a clenching of the jaw and a grinding of the teeth. Why? Because any mention of Mary other than as a human brood mare – and only around Christmastime - engenders RAGE amongst the Protesters. Why? Because, apparently, Mary draws people’s attention away from Jesus instead of pointing people TOWARD Him. Because, apparently, Jesus takes absolutely no delight in any of us, most especially His own mother, is insanely jealous of His own creation and thus hates His own mother, and demands that nobody EVER so much as LOOK at her, much less LOVE her, because Jesus is extremely insecure and just can’t handle people observing, loving and appreciating beauty in HIS OWN CREATION, even though everything in the universe was made by Him and through Him.
So every time a parent looks at their child in love, Jesus gets mad. And every time a man looks at his wife in love, Jesus gets mad. And every time a son looks at his mother in love, Jesus gets mad. And every time a man looks at the mountains, or a sunset, or up at the stars in loving wonder and appreciation, Jesus gets mad. And every time a person looks in loving appreciation at a beautiful painting, or building, or reads a beautiful bit of prose or poetry, or gazes upon a particularly elegant bit of mathematics or even computer programming code . . . JESUS GETS mad.
Do I have that about right, y’all? Snorf.
Anywho, back to the Immaculate Conception. This doctrine and non-negotiable tenet of Christianity teaches that Mary was, by the grace of God, prevented from carrying the stain of Original Sin from the moment of her conception. Mary was saved from sin by her Son, like all of the other faithful, it is just that the timing of her salvation was different from everyone else. This is why Mary calls God “my Savior” in her Magnificat in Luke 1:46-55. Instead of letting Mary fall in the mud puddle of sin like the rest of us, God stuck out His Arm back through time from the Cross and kept her from falling in the mud puddle – but if it wasn’t for God’s positive action of reaching out across time from the Cross and holding her from falling, she would have fallen. This is called “grace”, and is what the Angel Gabriel was referring to when he greeted Mary at the Annunciation with the words, “Hail! Full of grace! The LORD is with thee. Blessed art thou among women.” Luke 1:28
Full of grace means FULL. OF. GRACE. How full is full? Full is totally full. To the brim. Full does not mean half-full or mostly-full. Full means full. Mary was FULL OF GRACE. And because Mary was FULL of grace, there was absolutely no room for sin. Mary didn’t sin because God her Savior had filled her with grace and therefore she just COULDN’T sin. Most of us reading this have a tiny taste of what this is like. For example, I’m guessing that everyone reading this would be incapable of killing a baby. We just COULDN’T do it. No matter what threat was made against us, no matter what the adverse consequences to our own lives might be, we would take any adverse consequence before killing a baby. We are simply incapable of performing that act. Why? What is that internal force of energy that prevents us from committing acts of evil even when under intense duress and threat? It is grace. Pure and simple. Sadly, most of us have a little grace, but are not in any way FULL of grace. I am personally much closer to being full of junk than of grace (which many of you have already pointed out to me – thank you very much), hence the daily, persistent, repeated sinning on my part. And I suspect it is a similar situation with you, dear reader, with the grace-to-junk ratio being much higher for you than for me. I really am quite full of junk.
With Mary there was no junk because God her Savior had FILLED her with grace, and thus there was no room for junk, and thus there was no sin. It’s really just 2nd grade math if you think about it. But WHY? Why was it essential for Mary to be sinless and sinless from the moment of her conception? That’s where the science comes in.
 
contd:
On The Immaculate Conception & Science (Part 2)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - December 17, AD 2011 9:19 PM MST
There are two phases to Mary’s existence. The first phase was from the moment of her conception until the Annunciation, which is when Jesus was conceived in her womb. The second phase was from that moment of conception forward for all eternity. Each phase has its own physiological delight attached to it which required Mary to be a sinless vessel for Our Lord.
First, the pre-Annunciation period. As it turns out, all baby girls have all of the eggs that are ever going to be in their ovaries fully formed not just at birth, but fairly early in their fetal development phase. Unlike men who are continuously producing new sperm, a woman’s eggs aren’t created and formed with each menstrual cycle. All that is happening during a cycle is that an egg, which has been fully formed in a woman’s body since she was a pre-born fetus, is released into the reproductive tract. What this means theologically is that the egg containing the 23 chromosomes that God would miraculously fertilize with 23 chromosomes that He miraculously supplied (including a Y chromosome) to become the Word Made Flesh, Jesus Christ, was physically present inside Mary’s body from the time that Mary was inside of her mother’s womb. That egg, and those chromosomes, that physical constituent of Our Blessed Lord was present inside of Mary’s body, waiting to be . . . if I may use the word . . . consecrated. The word consecrate, when broken into its Latin components means:
Con: With 
Secr: Holy 
-Ate: Territory of a Ruler
And so, Mary was, from the time she was inside St. Ann’s womb, already carrying a portion of Our Lord’s physicality, namely 23 of His chromosomes. And thus Mary was, from her very beginning, already a tabernacle, already the Ark of the New Covenant, carrying within her what would be consecrated into The Law Incarnate, The High Priest, and The Bread of Life – just like the Old Ark, except perfected and fully fulfilled as God Incarnate. And as we know from the book of Exodus, the Old Ark had to be “perfect”. And thus, the Ark of the New Covenant was also perfect, except this perfection was a perfection that only God Himself could accomplish: the perfection of Mary, full of grace and thus saved from all sin.
The second phase is actually broken into two sub-phases. The first sub-phase is when Mary was pregnant with Jesus and His entire body was inside of hers. The second phase is that phase from the time of Jesus’ birth forward into all eternity. Jesus is STILL physically inside of Mary in a unique way. It was discovered just a few short years ago that immune cells pass from a pre-born child to the mother across the placenta. Not only do these immune cells, which are the child’s and thus carry the exclusive DNA of the child, pass across the placenta, but they persist in the mother’s body for the rest of her life. A woman who has carried a son has immune cells with Y-chromosomes in her bloodstream that can now be filtered out of her blood and observed. Female children also pass cells to their mothers. Thus, a woman truly does carry her children around inside of her, with their DNA coursing through her heart, for the rest of her life. That isn’t just a sentiment – it is a physiological fact.
Thus, Mary continued and continues to this day to be a perpetual, living tabernacle of her Son, as she carries cells with His DNA in her bloodstream. And so now we see why Mary had to be filled with grace and thus saved from the stain of sin from the moment of her conception eternally forward – because she was and is a perpetual Ark of the New Covenant.
This also explains why Mary’s body was assumed into heaven immediately at the end of her earthly life, because her body literally contained living cells of Our Lord and thus her body could not remain on earth in physical death to decay in any way. She simply was afforded the same physical resurrection that all of the faithful will receive, albeit instantaneously for her, given her very special state, both spiritually and physically. This is what is doctrinally referred to as “The Assumption”.
Finally, if you are reading this and it has made you the least bit angry, you need to sit down and ask yourself one excruciatingly simple question: WHY?
Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
*note- there were two words in the preceding article which I feared would trip the forum censor feature. These were not “bad” words by any means, but, I edited in synonyms so as to not allow the appearance of cursing on Ms. Barnhardt’s part. The words were replaced with “junk” and “mad”.
 
We just don’t know because Scripture doesn’t say. I think it unlikely that Our Lady would have ever had to punish Him. She knew from the beginning that He was special, holy -the Angel told her so. Knowing that, would she have even dared to? Even when they find Him in the Temple, after 3 days of being worried sick looking for Him, they don’t appear to have punished Him. Luke then says they went home and He was subject to the will of His parents, so that sounds like He was a good boy!

Trishie, you granddaughter sounds absolutely adorable - I wish I’d been a better granddaughter to my Nan!
 
In that time, and culture it was not the duty of a mother to discipline her Children if Pop was there. In this case there was a Father figure Present Joseph while not his Biological Father was a his earthly Father, and I suspect might have had to administer direction to the young Jesus. As we read during his three year public ministry Jesus on several occasions gives his Mother moments of angst. During the Wedding at Cana Mary asked Jesus to help when they ran out of wine He did so, but not before asking her why in front of all the guests.Also after the death of Mary’s brother
Lazarus the Lord shows up late even after being told well in advance of the gravity of the situation. When he gets there Mary was PO and gets testy with him. He in return asked her why.There is also several occasions when he refers to Mary as Woman Did any of us ever do that with our own Mother I suspect not. She may not have spanked Jesus, but I rather think she may have entertained the thought of knocking him on his duff a few times
I think that perhaps you are misinterpreting those passages. I may very well be wrong but I don’t think they were angry or irritated with each other at all in any of those passages.
 
In that time, and culture it was not the duty of a mother to discipline her Children if Pop was there. In this case there was a Father figure Present Joseph while not his Biological Father was a his earthly Father, and I suspect might have had to administer direction to the young Jesus. As we read during his three year public ministry Jesus on several occasions gives his Mother moments of angst.** During the Wedding at Cana Mary asked Jesus to help when they ran out of wine He did so, but not before asking her why in front of all the guests.**Also after the death of Mary’s brother
Lazarus the Lord shows up late even after being told well in advance of the gravity of the situation. When he gets there Mary was PO and gets testy with him. He in return asked her why.There is also several occasions when he refers to Mary as Woman Did any of us ever do that with our own Mother I suspect not. She may not have spanked Jesus, but I rather think she may have entertained the thought of knocking him on his duff a few times
Re: Bold

This was actually the exact opposite of the case according to Michael Voris in this talk where he quotes Archbishop Sheen on the issue. Start the 3:30 for the basic explanation, but the entire thing is great.

youtube.com/watch?v=TmaCISBDQMc

Further, please quote the exact verses to make such a litany of claims so that they can be observed in context.
 
Do you believe Jesus required spanking/discipline? If so, how often do you think? Do you think Mary was a typical teenager? Did she require a lot of discipline and why? Just interested in the multitude of beliefs.
Haha, I’ve always imagined Mary is a tough, no-nonsense mum. The answer to your question – was Jesus disciplined – can go either way, we don’t know, and for the purposes of faith I don’t think it’s really important.
 
I believed He didn’t because He would need to have sinned to merit it, since you don’t spank children for even inculpably effecting a material violation of some moral law. And I don’t think Jesus would have committed even an inculpable material violation of a moral law anyway. And we know that Our Lady never sinned either.
I don’t necessarily agree. Sometimes unruly children are spanked because for whatever reason, they understand pain but not the sinfulness of their actions (therefore, aren’t sinning) or the bad consequences of their actions. Assuming the child Jesus came to the age of reason around the same time as any other child, perhaps he was spanked.
 
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