Protestants, Mortal Sins, Salvation!

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davidv said:
Except for the part that read “Most people wind up in Hell.” This is not Church teaching.
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What is wrong with it? It seems like Church teaching based on the evidence I have seen from official Catholic sources.
 
JonNC said:
Hi Steve,
It is from a letter he wrote to a Lutheran Bishop in Germany. It is in the following Lutheran Catholic document, paragraph 107.
usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/ecumenical-and-interreligious/ecumenical/lutheran/koinonia-of-salvation.cfm
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JonNC, are you claiming that from the Lutheran-Catholic dialogue that took place years ago, the Catholic Church now officially recognizes the Lutheran “host” as being the True Presence of Christ?
In other words there is no difference between a host consecrated by a Catholic priest and a host consecrated by a Lutheran priest?
 
jinc1019 said:
What is wrong with it? It seems like Church teaching based on the evidence I have seen from official Catholic sources.
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Please cite these sources. I am sure that you can find writings of saints that may be interpreted to imply most are in hell. I don’t believe you will find any official Church teaching that says so.
 
davidv said:
Please cite these sources. I am sure that you can find writings of saints that may be interpreted to imply most are in hell. I don’t believe you will find any official Church teaching that says so.
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There is no official Catholic teaching that says as such. It “seems” as such does not
cut the mustard.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church is online free of charge and is explicitly clear
on these issues. It’s pretty no nosense and worth a read for posters with a lot of ?'s
that can be answered in the official doctrine of the Church.

Mary.
 
As a former protestant I can attest to the fact that most of the things I thought I knew about the Catholic faith were false. Full knowledge is important here. I’m not about to go the route of all protestants going to hell. That’s a bit much for me.

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steve_b said:
Thanks for the reference.

Thinking outloud, since Cardinal Ratzinger became pope Benedict XVI, he could have made formal, any or all parts of the subjects approached in ecumenical dialogues between the Catholic Church and those seperated from her in particular Lutherans…true?

I’m thinking in particular, the subject of validity of the sacraments of Holy Orders, penance, Eucharist. During Benedict’s pontificate, are you aware of Benedict changing the Catholic Churches understanding on the validity of Lutheran Orders, Eucharist, Penance etc etc from merely ecumenical dialogue to formal Church understanding?
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Absolutely not, nor would I expect one.
Originally posted by Third Day
JonNC, are you claiming that from the Lutheran-Catholic dialogue that took place years ago, the Catholic Church now officially recognizes the Lutheran “host” as being the True Presence of Christ?
In other words there is no difference between a host consecrated by a Catholic priest and a host consecrated by a Lutheran priest?
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I make no such claim, and in no way do I believe Cardinal Ratzinger meant this. If one reads his words, he only claims that the salvation granting presence of our Lord in in a Lutheran Lord’s Supper.
More than “where two are gathered…” to be sure.

Jon
 
jinc1019 said:
I thought this was relevant for this discussion…

It was mentioned earlier that Protestants can have their mortal sins forgiven without confession when there is an act of “Perfect Contrition.” But, according to the CCC, this only applies when the person seeking forgiveness plans immediately to go have their sins forgiven by a priest:

1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.51 (1822)
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The Lord may work outside his sacraments to forgive if he so wishes.

Also, in the sacrament of annointing the sick, sins are also forgiven.

So we really don’t know one way or the other what God wishes to do in their case.

That is way I do appreciate my faith because I do know what God expects of me and the advantages that have been given to me.

Just some thoughts.
 
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