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Gay marriage, abortion…
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Matariel
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Well, I don’t know if this was my imagination or not (I doubt it) but when I was ten-years-old about, I was at my Grandmothers house with my sister and brother in one room sleeping. I woke up and was very thirsty, and I got up and my sister and brother were gone.i heard God gave him the 20th century for his evil designs… Not at all surprising… the 20th cent saw Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Amin and i know i am forgetting a bunch… Ted Bundy, etc… Weird…
He wrote the St. Michael prayer for the purpose of thwarting the devil… (the pope did). We are supposed to say it after every Mass… Who’s idea was it to stop doing so???
Another weird thing… the other day i was resting/praying and almost fell asleep and i heard this “guttural” voice myself. Scared the living crud out of me… Cant’ recall what it said… i think i was too scared to hear what it said… just a few stupid words anyway…
(i know they were stupid because i know ?] it was the devil…)
There were impressions as if they had just been laying there. The house was dark, and I left our room to see if they were somewhere else in the house, and I became really terrified and I couldn’t find them. As I walked into the hallway, the little night-light went out for no reason, and I heard, oddly enough, a very high-pitched male voice, almost hissing, say “The world is in my power, and I’m going to destroy it!”I was terrified, I just stood there, unable to move. My heart was beating horrifically fast.
“Your family, and you too!” it said.
I had no idea what to do, but I was horrified, and said “I’ll help you” to appease it. A horrible thing to say, I know. It just laughed horribly and I started crying and ran into the bedroom and jumped in bed.
I’ve always felt horrible about what I said, and as I grew older I thought I had made a pact with Satan or a devil. I thought I’d given my life over to him or something.
I’ve only told that story to 3 people in my life.
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distracted
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i love the St. M prayer… say it a lot … while praying rosary (at end of decades)
I agree, by now we should know better. We’re supposed to be civilized. Sadam Hussein, Osama bin Ladin,
I say the St. Michael prayer. I don’t ever remember that we were supposed to pray it after every mass publicly. I have never heard it read even pre-Vatican II
Yes, the pope who wrote that prayer wanted it said after every Mass… but apparently when he died… so did his request…
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distracted
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Incomplete sentence!!!
Are you saying these are reasons why Prot spend more time in Purg?? The episcipalians have gay ministers… and a lot of Prot thin abortion is OK in certain situations like rape, incest…
Is this waht you mean??
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Matariel
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I can’t see how we could be in the 1,000-year reign now. Not with all the death, destruction and persecution since the time of Christ. The 1,000-year reign is supposed to be a time of absolute peace.
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distracted
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have you confessed it to a priest? It does seem like an odd thing to say but you were probably just scared and wanted that entity to go away… You were young and probably didn’t know much about the devil… etc… ? Were you raised Catholic?? did you go to Mass regularly?? Was someone in the house into serious sin?? (Sorry i am so curious…Well, I don’t know if this was my imagination or not (I doubt it) but when I was ten-years-old about, I was at my Grandmothers house with my sister and brother in one room sleeping. I woke up and was very thirsty, and I got up and my sister and brother were gone.
I was terrified, I just stood there, unable to move. My heart was beating horrifically fast.
“Your family, and you too!” it said.
I had no idea what to do, but I was horrified, and said “I’ll help you” to appease it. A horrible thing to say, I know. It just laughed horribly and I started crying and ran into the bedroom and jumped in bed.
I’ve always felt horrible about what I said, and as I grew older I thought I had made a pact with Satan or a devil. I thought I’d given my life over to him or something.
I’ve only told that story to 3 people in my life.
). Where were your siblings??
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Matariel
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Not just Protestants (Catholic Forums rules: We aren’t allowed to call them “Prots”) but disobedient, so-called Catholics who constantly publicly disgrace their Church. Like the imbecilic Nancy Pelosi who violates canon law and defiles the Eucharist all the time, and doesn’t even believe the Real Presence. And then on top of that complacent bishops enable her to defile the Eucharist and don’t care! They are all outrageous… it boils my blood, and I’m not even Roman Catholic yet.
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Matariel
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I was raised Nazarene and then we went to an independent (liberal) Christian community.
No, I was not raised Catholic, and when I turned 16 I started going to the Anglican Church, and last Lent I went through RCIA and dropped out. I’m Anglican, but will probably soon become Catholic.
I do believe my grandfather was in serious sin at the time, but I don’t want to talk about that now. He’s in Heaven, now, since he repented (or in Purgatory? They were Baptists).Was someone in the house into serious sin?? (Sorry i am so curious…
I honestly don’t know where my siblings were. When I woke up the next morning they were fine, and that’s when I told my sister what I say and heard. She said they didn’t go anywhere in the middle of the night.
That’s so wierd.
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distracted
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wow… interesting. I just am tired and that is why i abbreviated… thanks for telling me, though.Not just Protestants (Catholic Forums rules: We aren’t allowed to call them “Prots”) but disobedient, so-called Catholics who constantly publicly disgrace their Church. Like the imbecilic Nancy Pelosi who violates canon law and defiles the Eucharist all the time, and doesn’t even believe the Real Presence. And then on top of that complacent bishops enable her to defile the Eucharist and don’t care! They are all outrageous… it boils my blood, and I’m not even Roman Catholic yet.
yeah, that Nancy Pelosi is something. I wish people would just stop calling themselves Catholic if they don’t believe waht the Church teaches. I don’t get that… why they don’t just leave - and good riddance…
and you are right about the bishops that let her keep desecrating the host. Hasn’t any of them told the priests to refuse her??? If i was a priest, of course, i would not need the bishop to instruct me… What is wrong with the Church anyway? Everyone sems to be afraid to be truly Catholic… What a bunch of wimps…
doesn’t sound like you are, htough??
That’s why God called you to the Church - we need people like you… who call a spade a freaking spade for crying out loud…
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qui_est_ce
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Footnote to Revelation 20:1-6 from NAB:
I can’t see how we could be in the 1,000-year reign now. Not with all the death, destruction and persecution since the time of Christ. The 1,000-year reign is supposed to be a time of absolute peace.
usccb.org/nab/bible/revelation/revelation20.htm
I don’t see any reference to peace here. That’s Protestant interpretation. You should have heard one mock me because I claimed the Devil still wreaks havoc, although he is chained. It says so right in the Bible!
Revelation 20:7-9:
footnote to above:
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Hi Distracted,
Hey, thanks for the comments. I appreciate the added (name removed by moderator)ut and it’s nice to know someone is reading me. Yeah, I don’t know exactly what the details were when they were selling indulgences. I do know these things as well as the sacraments shouldn’t cost the faithful money. But you may be right. It might not have been the Pope. I really don’t know because it is such a non-issue. Christ said that there would be both good and bad fish in His net. I think it’s more important that we know where to find the True net, not getting all hung up on the bad fish Christ said we would be trapped with.
I have also heard that pedophilia found amongst the priesthood is at a lesser percentage than the male population at large and that the percentage of non-catholic ministers who display this behavior is pretty much the same as the male population at large. So that would make the incidence of pedophilia higher amongst non-catholic ministers than it is in the priesthood. But, you know, I think more pedophiles are married then not, so…
Whatever.
Have a good weekend.
Hey, thanks for the comments. I appreciate the added (name removed by moderator)ut and it’s nice to know someone is reading me. Yeah, I don’t know exactly what the details were when they were selling indulgences. I do know these things as well as the sacraments shouldn’t cost the faithful money. But you may be right. It might not have been the Pope. I really don’t know because it is such a non-issue. Christ said that there would be both good and bad fish in His net. I think it’s more important that we know where to find the True net, not getting all hung up on the bad fish Christ said we would be trapped with.
I have also heard that pedophilia found amongst the priesthood is at a lesser percentage than the male population at large and that the percentage of non-catholic ministers who display this behavior is pretty much the same as the male population at large. So that would make the incidence of pedophilia higher amongst non-catholic ministers than it is in the priesthood. But, you know, I think more pedophiles are married then not, so…
Whatever.
Have a good weekend.
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Thanks for your additions. There’s just too much information when one is defending the truth isn’t there? It’s amazing the non-catholics can’t see the truth, really. They offer one or two verses, taken out of context or tortured beyond recognition and we offer the entire Bible back to them as evidence and they still deny the truth…truly amazing.This is a classic example of cherry picking verses to make the Word fit personal beliefs. continue to the next verse
2Tim3:17
**so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work. **
The following, then is the teaching in context:
2Tim3:16-17]
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness
2Tim3:17
so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
The Teacher does the Teaching. The teacher is trained in the Scriptures so he can TEACH them.
Another point is that at this time, NT wasn’t even written, but orally taught. The written Scripture Paul was speaking about was the OT
The footnote in my Bible (NAB which is a tranlation by Catholic AND Protestant scholars:
4 [16] All scripture is inspired by God: this could possibly also be translated, “All scripture inspired by God is useful for. . . .” In this classic reference to inspiration, God is its principal author, with the writer as the human collaborator. Thus the scriptures are the word of God in human language. See also 2 Peter 1:20-21.
2 Peter
Chapter 1:20
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation,
Great analogy
Protestants have issues with the word “only.”
I was listening to a CD by Scott Hahn on the Blessed Mother in Scripture. And a statement he made shouted out to me. He says we can’t read our personal views into Scripture. We have to interpret ALL Scripture (OT and NT) the way the earliest Christians practiced and interpreted it. The Church declares as infallible doctrines when accepted beliefs are challenged by heretics. (Council of Trent deslaring Books of Bible when ML threw out the Deutoro’s).
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I was listening to Scott Hahn on EWTN a couple night ago discuss purgatory & I found his observations did the same thing I see charged here, he cherry picked one or two verses, spun them way out of context, failed to understand the proper typology for those verses, and used them to bolster the idea of purgatory?
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Matariel
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And I’m sure you have the “proper interpretation” over against 2,000 years of Church Fathers and history?
(By the way, the Bible condemns private interpretation.)
And I saw the same program, and he logically proved his case. Have you read any of his or David Armstrong’s books? They’re quite good, and helped me get over my misconceptions I had been fed by my Protestant upbringing.
Oh well, I’ll be Catholic soon…
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SIA
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The Catholic church and many of the Early Church fathers disagreed; especially about Mary.And I’m sure you have the “proper interpretation” over against 2,000 years of Church Fathers and history?
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SIA
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Scott Hahn is a radical convert to the RCC who is on fire for the church (forget about logic and truth).
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Sola S,
Can you offer us just one verse, which you are accusing Scott Hahn of cherry picking and show us specifically how he has taken it out of context, and failed to understand the proper typology for that verse?
Just one. That’s all I’m asking for, just one. Give us the benefit of your vast knowledge and insight. Show us the proof of your accusation.
You fundamentalists illustrate, over and over again a textbook definition for intellectual dishonesty. You do it here by making charges against a man who has done the study and found the truth by forcing himself to be intellectually honest about what he was reading in Scripture. You fail to offer so much as a shred of evidence for the accusations you make against him.
If you have the truth and Scott Hahn and the rest of us Catholics are in error then you have an obligation to us all, to baby step us through your thought process so we too may know the one truth, which has been (supposedly) given to you by the Almighty. Please, help us. We want to be saved like you.
jrssls,
How’s that for sarcasm?
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If anyone who believes in purgatory has enough money, there is still time to also get some indulgences APPLIED against the sin-cleansing time possibly necessary to spend there.
Your pope is dispensing with indulgences until December 8, 2008 to anyone who visits and bends the knee at the Lourdes shrine to Mary.
It might be a good investment if sin-cleansing time in purgatory is painful, which is likely since it might possibly be fire that is APPLIED to cleanse with there.
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