Protestants: Tackle This

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Going by what the OP presented, aside from her emotional frustration at a select group of Protestants, it seems like the main issue here is that the woman she spoke with went to her Pastor and just believed everything that he said.

I think that all Christians do this to a degree, and that is become uncomfortable with what a person says about their faith and then goes to seek answers from someone they trust would know the answer (ie a priest, pastor, or someone with a theology degree of sorts).

This, of course, is not a bad thing in and of itself. In fact, it is a very good thing to seek wisdom and counsel from those who know more than we do.

But people have to understand that people who we admire are not always right, and that while asking for answers from our own church leaders, it is also important to test what that person says and pray that God will reveal the truth to you. 1 Thessalonians says to “test everything and hold fast to what is good,” meaning that we should take counsel from others, but to also remember that what they say cannot be true if it contradicts what God teaches. And I am fairly certain that God did not teach that we could disregard whatever Scripture passages we wanted (that would mean that they would be allowed to disregard that passage from 1 Thessalonians, lol).

I have a Baptist friend, and we were with a group of people in an Instant Messaging conversation. The ‘sex’ topic came up and he says, “I like the definition of sex that my youth minister said: hand, mouth, or genital touching genital.” I was a little bit enraged at this definition for a variety of reasons, but mostly because there were logistical problems with it. After I told him that I completely disagreed with this definition and listed a couple of reasons why, he started thinking about it and said, “Actually, that definition doesn’t really work after all.” My friend is very intelligent otherwise so it surprised me that he just took his youth minister’s words for what they were without thinking about them. I bring this up because that situation reminded me of what the OP was referring to in regards of putting too much trust in a human pastor and not enough trust in the Lord Himself and the truth that He established.

Before anyone says anything about Catholics putting too much trust in the pope, read the Catholic Answers article about what we believe in regards to Papal Authority, because we don’t believe that the pope is sinless or anything like that.
 
This is a statement I think that represents many former Catholics that were poorly chaticized …That commandments and obligations are the Church’s expression of turning the people of the Church toward God… When you fully participate in the Mass with all your heart and recieve the sacriments with all your heart you turn to God… If you go through the motions like many you become lost… this is how people lose clairity on morality and values ie birth controll is fine, “taking a pro choice stance” and on and on…Protestantism has always to me been a “feel good position”… “I dont like what this church sais because it doesnt allow me to do what I like” then its defended with personal interpritation of scripture. Its clear using the Bible as your own personal authority is dangerous… many can rationalize anything with it… its the assumption that our view of right and wrong is already right.
A few points. I was formally Baptist and converted to Catholicism and converted back to a Baptist. I wouldn’t say was poorly chaticized. If anything, perhaps the opposite to the point it called things into question for me. After a couple years, the mass became lip service, just going through the motions. I could recite the eucharistic prayers and the rest forwards and backwards. The whole mass was repetition leading me to become spiritually dead as to the Catholic mass. It did not cause me to lose clarity of morality, but that there had to be more to God then what the CC offered. As I reflect, it seems more and more that the commandments and obligations turned me more towards reliance on the CC rather than God. The CC continues to preach that there’s no salvation outside the CC for it is the true, holy and apostolic, church.

Yes we do use the bible as the final authority. However look to traditions as a means for putting things into perspective like why there were no chairs in the tabernacle. However the tradition does not supercede the Bible.
 
The rules plainly state that non-Catholics must be respectful of the Catholic faith. Referring to it as a ‘cult’ is disrespectful, to say the least.
Everyone should be respectful of everyone. Love thy neighbor as yourself!
 
… My friend is very intelligent otherwise so it surprised me that he just took his youth minister’s words for what they were without thinking about them. I bring this up because that situation reminded me of what the OP was referring to in regards of putting too much trust in a human pastor and not enough trust in the Lord Himself and the truth that He established.
well, how does the Bible define “sex”? Or, rather “the Lord Himself and the truth that He established”? People tend to ask their ministers/priests for help with those topics that Jesus did not directly address.
 
A few points. I was formally Baptist and converted to Catholicism and converted back to a Baptist. I wouldn’t say was poorly chaticized. If anything, perhaps the opposite to the point it called things into question for me. After a couple years, the mass became lip service, just going through the motions. I could recite the eucharistic prayers and the rest forwards and backwards. The whole mass was repetition leading me to become spiritually dead as to the Catholic mass. It did not cause me to lose clarity of morality, but that there had to be more to God then what the CC offered. As I reflect, it seems more and more that the commandments and obligations turned me more towards reliance on the CC rather than God. The CC continues to preach that there’s no salvation outside the CC for it is the true, holy and apostolic, church.

Yes we do use the bible as the final authority. However look to traditions as a means for putting things into perspective like why there were no chairs in the tabernacle. However the tradition does not supercede the Bible.
You removed my parantheses where I stated not you in particular. I have not experienced this in the hundreds of masses Ive participated in. It seems you look for entertainment in “church service” the Catholic mass is worship of God not “someone make me feel good sevice”… my experience with various protestant service is that its horizontal… the sense of community is in Church (which can be nice)… where as in the Catholic Church the service is vertical to God… the fellowship happens around the Church in the surrounding community. I was not saying you have lost moral clarity I do not know you… but before I came back to the Catholic Church my morality was unclear. I knew it was wrong to kill someone… but its the smaller things that I accepted as “todays society” such as atitudes on birth controll ect… from an outsiders perspective I see this disarray on right from wrong in the many sects of the Baptist church to me it seems this is clearly from lack of authority.
 
You actually crossed the line by referring to Catholicism as a ‘cult’. As for the excuse, it’s in response to what someone else said, does two wrongs make a right? Are we to ‘get even’ as if vengeance is ours to take?

The rules plainly state that non-Catholics must be respectful of the Catholic faith. Referring to it as a ‘cult’ is disrespectful, to say the least.
Then be respectful to me as well. THAT is the rule also.
 
Yes, says the guy in the Catholic forum in the NON-CATHOLIC Religions thread.
Your on a Catholic website… acting suprised at the defense of the Catholic church… I mean we are used to being accused of not being Christian… worshiping Mary… being apostate or the Whore of Babylon on various protestant forums
 
Please show me where I’ve been disrepectful?

Referring to Catholics as a ‘cult’ is against the rules.
No where in the conduct rules does it say that I can’t refer to something as a cult. Does it? Some guy or gal on this thread said “Catholics are always right.” That is a cult-like statement! Just because you take offense to it doesn’t mean I can’t say it. This may be a Catholic forum, but I am writing and commenting in the NON-CATHOLIC Religions thread.

I said to that person - Step away from the cult! One of the first signs of a cult is when ANY religion says “we are always right.” That’s what that person said. If that were true, really…then this very forum wouldn’t exist because it would just be a Catholic website stating Catholic values and beliefs and would not accept any comments from anyone outside their religions.

I stand by my comment.

If you have a problem with what I said, please report it to the moderator and let him or or ban me. With that said -

I still stand by my comment.
 
Your on a Catholic website… acting suprised at the defense of the Catholic church… I mean we are used to being accused of not being Christian… worshiping Mary… being apostate or the Whore of Babylon on various protestant forums
You are in the Non-Catholic Religions category…acting surprised at the defense of Protestant beliefs…
 
Teachings from God are always correct. Man is the one that gets it wrong. In order for the Catholic church (or ANY church) to have been correct over all these centuries it would have to have had in place sinless individuals as leaders…and you and I know that is not possible. Really.
 
I used to be Catholic and when I was a Catholic and read that the first sign of a cult was that a religion claimed to be without error or always correct…it was a red-flag. And I asked myself, am I in a cult? Nah, I couldn’t be.

I don’t think that the Catholic Church IS a cult - it’s not like it’s being led by Jim Jones…but I think this particular thought process about being correct about everything is cult-like and very dangerous. It is indeed a red-flag to me. If it is not a red-flag to you or other Catholics here - so be it! But I’m not changing my mind about my opinion, nor will I be stand for reading that Catholics are always correct. No, that’s wrong.

That’s all I’m going to say about this subject.
 
No where in the conduct rules does it say that I can’t refer to something as a cult. Does it? Some guy or gal on this thread said “Catholics are always right.” That is a cult-like statement! Just because you take offense to it doesn’t mean I can’t say it. This may be a Catholic forum, but I am writing and commenting in the NON-CATHOLIC Religions thread.

I said to that person - Step away from the cult! One of the first signs of a cult is when ANY religion says “we are always right.” That’s what that person said. If that were true, really…then this very forum wouldn’t exist because it would just be a Catholic website stating Catholic values and beliefs and would not accept any comments from anyone outside their religions.

I stand by my comment.

If you have a problem with what I said, please report it to the moderator and let him or or ban me. With that said -

I still stand by my comment.
Calling Catholics a ‘cult’ is being disrespectful of the Catholic faith. I have not disrespected you in anyway. I have reported your post.

Forum rules
Non-Catholics are welcome to participate but must be respectful of the faith of the Catholics participating on the board.
 
You removed my parantheses where I stated not you in particular. … It seems you look for entertainment in “church service”… the Catholic mass is worship of God not “someone make me feel good sevice”… my experience with various protestant service is that its horizontal… many sects of the Baptist church to me it seems this is clearly from lack of authority.
I did not take it personally. I removed the ( ) to save space.

I’d agree our servive is quite horizontal, but focused on God from the three hymns to the 30+ minute homily.

The time spent on the homily and the eucharist in the CC, we’re breaking open the word.

I’ve mistakingly gone to a contempory service and did not like it at all. That seemed like entertainment to me, but I suppose as it is Christ centered. However I went to a CC in W. VA and that was strange. To this day, I don’t know if the priest was speaking English or not. I could not understand a word.

The authority is suppose to be the Bible.
 
Yes, you don’t have sinless individuals in place and therefore they can make sinful decisions.

I’m not saying your church wasn’t found on Christ, nor is He a liar (really, where did you get that from?).

Churches can have false teachings and twisted interpretations for their own purposes because of the leadership practices of sinful leaders and that includes the Catholic Church. NO church or person is perfect. Only Jesus is perfect.
 
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Saying something is false means nothing. PROVE IT. Show me where I am wrong.
If you loved me and thought I was really dying, wouldn’t you try to save me? If I am so deceived, help me out here.

You won’t answer me because you can’t.
Your claim should not be dignified with a further response.

Quote ONE rude remark I have made.

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Your claim should not be dignified with a further response.
You might start with a grammatical sentence.
False. Patently false.
What is with you folks?
 
You are in the Non-Catholic Religions category…acting surprised at the defense of Protestant beliefs…
no I never acted suprised or defensive… you have though… and if you read my posts you would see my response to anyone saying they are always right
 
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