Protestants: What would Christianity look like if the Catholic Church were to disappear tomorrow?

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If you’re talking about contraception, the Roman Catholics are the only ones who believe that 100 years ago every Christian was against it. I once read a book about the different denominations of Christianity written before the 1930’s (which is when Romans say everyone changed) and each was asked the same questions for comparative purposes. Not a single non-Catholic source claimed that contraception was an intrinsic evil. Not even close.
Probably the same way that no denomination today comes out railing against cannibalism - it isn’t an issue because everyone just assumes that that’s completely evil. No discussion is necessary because no one is arguing that it’s okay.

I actually remember contraception becoming legal in Canada when I was a little girl, because of the uproar surrounding it in the news, and because of my mother explaining to me what was going on. It had never been legal before.
 
Probably the same way that no denomination today comes out railing against cannibalism - it isn’t an issue because everyone just assumes that that’s completely evil. No discussion is necessary because no one is arguing that it’s okay.

I actually remember contraception becoming legal in Canada when I was a little girl, because of the uproar surrounding it in the news, and because of my mother explaining to me what was going on. It had never been legal before.
No, they asked about contraception in the book (and the Roman Catholics were asked about Sola Scriptura and the Baptists were asked about Saints. It was a comparative book, so distinctives from each were asked of every denomination). Not a single church except for Roman Catholic was against it. Each one said that it was either not a theological issue at all, or that it was between the couple and their minister.
 
No, they asked about contraception in the book (and the Roman Catholics were asked about Sola Scriptura and the Baptists were asked about Saints. It was a comparative book, so distinctives from each were asked of every denomination). Not a single church except for Roman Catholic was against it. Each one said that it was either not a theological issue at all, or that it was between the couple and their minister.
If the book was written before 1930, contraception was illegal back then, so how would it come up in a survey? :confused:
 
If the book was written before 1930, contraception was illegal back then, so how would it come up in a survey? :confused:
In the US it wasn’t universally illegal before 1930, especially due to government concern with venereal disease in populations of soldiers in World War 1. You can still find a lot of the government posters encouraging contraception to soldiers from that period.
 
In the US it wasn’t universally illegal before 1930, especially due to government concern with venereal disease in populations of soldiers in World War 1. You can still find a lot of the government posters encouraging contraception to soldiers from that period.
Do you think married couples were using it, though? :confused:

Prostitutes and those who make use of prostitutes (including soldiers) did use it, I know that, but prostitution was also illegal, and you can’t go to jail twice for the same crime.

In any case, it doesn’t matter, because the Apostles forbade it in the Didache, so even if Martin Luther was using it, it’s still a mortal sin.
 
Do you think married couples were using it, though? :confused:

Prostitutes and those who make use of prostitutes (including soldiers) did use it, I know that, but prostitution was also illegal, and you can’t go to jail twice for the same crime.
I never asked my grandparents if they used contraception, so I have no clue if they did or not. They were all Roman Catholic anyway actually, and now that I think about it, one I know never did (don’t ask) and the other had seven kids so probably not.

But the question is not whether married couples used it or not. The question is whether their churches had a theological problem with its use. I’ve read documents from the actual practitioners of those other traditions stating that they didn’t, and the only place I’ve ever heard that they all did is from Roman Catholics who are trying to convince me that everyone had a problem with it. They then use it as a way of saying other churches change their theological positions and to boost their claims about their own faith. It’s hardly reliable.
 
In any case, it doesn’t matter, because the Apostles forbade it in the Didache, so even if Martin Luther was using it, it’s still a mortal sin.
I’ve read the Didache, multiple times, and no, no they don’t.

And we don’t believe in mortal vs. venial sin.
 
I never asked my grandparents if they used contraception, so I have no clue if they did or not. They were all Roman Catholic anyway actually, and now that I think about it, one I know never did (don’t ask) and the other had seven kids so probably not.

But the question is not whether married couples used it or not. The question is whether their churches had a theological problem with its use. I’ve read documents from the actual practitioners of those other traditions stating that they didn’t, and the only place I’ve ever heard that they all did is from Roman Catholics who are trying to convince me that everyone had a problem with it. They then use it as a way of saying other churches change their theological positions and to boost their claims about their own faith. It’s hardly reliable.
The Didache forbids it, so it is really neither here nor there what the Protestants were doing either before or after the legalization of birth control. Also, Peter gave the Keys to the Bishop of Rome, so whatever he says goes, even if the Apostles didn’t “really” say that birth control is a mortal sin, if “is” doesn’t really mean “is.”
 
Even some Protestants will admit that their religion always has an eye on the Catholic Church, because, in Christianity, it’s the only thing that is inherently stable. Protestantism is inherently unstable, because one you take the position that personal interpretation is valid, there are no limits to where you can go with it.

In short, then, I believe Protestantism’s fragmentation would accelerate, and would devolve into ever more bizarre manifestations.
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The Didache forbids it, so it is really neither here nor there what the Protestants were doing either before or after the legalization of birth control. Also, Peter gave the Keys to the Bishop of Rome, so whatever he says goes, even if the Apostles didn’t “really” say that birth control is a mortal sin, if “is” doesn’t really mean “is.”
The Didache forbids abortion, not contraception. The two are not always equitable.

Christ gave the keys to every apostle, He just first gave them to Peter. First among equals.
 
The Didache forbids abortion, not contraception. The two are not always equitable.

Christ gave the keys to every apostle, He just first gave them to Peter. First among equals.
And the Bishop of Rome retains them today. 🙂
 
The Didache forbids abortion, not contraception. The two are not always equitable.
“The sorcery of prostitutes” probably refers to both abortion and birth control. But even if it doesn’t, the Bishop of Rome has spoken; the matter is closed. 🙂
 
“The sorcery of prostitutes” probably refers to both abortion and birth control. But even if it doesn’t, the Bishop of Rome has spoken; the matter is closed. 🙂
Whatever you have to tell yourself to keep up with the revision of history that comes out of your ever ‘developing’ doctrines.

Next you’ll say no pope of Rome has ever been a heretic…I mean, an ecumenical council which actually calls a pope a heretic doesn’t really mean anything.
 
Whatever you have to tell yourself to keep up with the revision of history that comes out of your ever ‘developing’ doctrines.

Next you’ll say no pope of Rome has ever been a heretic…I mean, an ecumenical council which actually calls a pope a heretic doesn’t really mean anything.
I am fully aware that we have had scoundrels and heretics sitting in Peter’s chair. That doesn’t take away from the fact that it is Peter’s chair.

Read Isaiah 22 to see what happened to one of David’s key-holders when he proved unfaithful. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a key-holder, though, or that the office of key-holder didn’t actually exist. 🙂
 
Every non-heretical bishop has the keys of the kingdom. It comes with being a bishop. No bishop has ‘more keys’ or something than any other.
There has to be a final decision-maker, though, and it happens in this case to be the Bishop of Rome, Peter’s successor. 🙂
 
As I check the OP, I see this thread is not about the Catholic/Orthodox debate, nor is it about contraception.
Return to the topic of the OP please.
 
Where did you come up with the “Church Catholic”??? Never heard of that before. Cleaver,. God Bless, Memaw
It’s a very, very old term. Batman did not come up with it. It was the preferred term that the Reformers used when taking about the entire church - so as not to exclude those in Rome, or Constantinople, or anywhere else (and I’m sure it was used well before then). Lutherans, at least, have always recognized that the church exists wherever the Word is preached and Sacraments rightly administered (even if we think the Truth is less clear in a different communion).

In my mind, this is why it would be a severe blow to the faith if Christendom lost its largest and wealthiest component. Then again, that might only serve to strengthen the ecumenical ties between other groups - Christianity has a habit of doing well under persecution (the Gospel tends to have that ‘hopeful’ effect! :D). Perhaps Christians would, necessarily, band together, as they already do in areas of the globe that see those of the Faith persecuted. But the fact remains; 1.2 billion less Christians is a hypothetical I’d rather not imagine. 😦

God bless Memaw. And everyone else, too.
 
If you’re talking about contraception, the Roman Catholics are the only ones who believe that 100 years ago every Christian was against it. I once read a book about the different denominations of Christianity written before the 1930’s (which is when Romans say everyone changed) and each was asked the same questions for comparative purposes. Not a single non-Catholic source claimed that contraception was an intrinsic evil. Not even close.

How many non-Catholic sources have told you that they used to hold to the sinfulness of contraception? It’s always Roman sources and out-of-context ECF quotes. Roman revisionist history strikes again.
Boat loads of secular historical source…along with Orthodox source attempting to justify. All you need to do is Google it and it takes you about 5 minutes.
 
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