Protestants, why are you not Catholic?

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Randy_Carson said:
That’s a good list, and it is a rare treat, sadly, to have a chance to talk to someone who disagrees with what we ACTUALLY believe rather than what they think we believe.

So, if you had to strip away all the secondary issues, what would you say is the ONE issue that is your “no budge” disagreement with Catholicism as you currently understand it. And why?

Thanks.
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To be completely honest, it is a host of issues surrounding the way the RCC, as an organization or magisterium, interprets and/or applies certain scriptures in the ways that they do, and insists that it is the only way these passages can be interpreted. To me (I consider myself to be truly non-denominational) I see the same issue when dealing with other churches that also insist they are the only ones that can interpret.

From my studies on various issues; salvation, sanctification, etc… I can’t reconcile scripture with RCC teachings. I understand the hurdle; coming to believe the RCC is the one and only true church and that the magisterium is right on all teachings down through history, but I don’t see the evidence of that in scripture or history. As I said, I take claims on exclusivity very seriously, but thus far for me, the evidence and support isn’t there for the specific claims of the RCC. God is always working on me, who knows? Perhaps I’ll see it someday.
 
Randy_Carson said:
Therefore, here is my proposal: go through your list and pick out the ONE issue that stands out above the rest and start a new thread on that single topic. I’ll look for it everyday and respond quickly.

See ya soon! 👍
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I second that!!!
Looking forward to discussing this issue.
 
aidanbradypop said:
I HAVE ONE…raising my hand!

I am not Catholic because I am allergic to glutten.

:rolleyes: I seriously heard that once.
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Lol.

You can take only the wine instead of the bread.

And, there is a group of Sisters (I think in Missoury) that have confected an alternative that is gluten free (or only contains minimal traces) and still complies with the eucharistic requirements. Each Parish can order from them and reserve it for the faithful with this disease.

Peace,
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
Lol.

You can take only the wine instead of the bread.

And, there is a group of Sisters (I think in Missoury) that have confected an alternative that is gluten free (or only contains minimal traces) and still complies with the eucharistic requirements. Each Parish can order from them and reserve it for the faithful with this disease.

Peace,
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I’m not really sure that is the answer she had in mind lol.
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
Lol.

You can take only the wine instead of the bread.

And, there is a group of Sisters (I think in Missoury) that have confected an alternative that is gluten free (or only contains minimal traces) and still complies with the eucharistic requirements. Each Parish can order from them and reserve it for the faithful with this disease.

Peace,
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Sisters can’t confect anything.

Only priests can confect the sacramental elements.

(oh, alright…I’ll go ahead and say that was an attempt at female ordination humor lest I get a bunch of posts aimed me.)
 
I think I got It!! [BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]

If all I need is the read the Bible and Understand it to Interpreted my way, I don’t need a church, my house will be my church, I don’t the Catholic church, I don’t need the little shopping plaza church, or the Mega church, for what do i need the church, if I’m the church?

.Just saying
 
Amo_a_Jesus said:
I think I got It!! [BIBLEDRB][/BIBLEDRB]

If all I need is the read the Bible and Understand it to Interpreted my way, I don’t need a church, my house will be my church, I don’t the Catholic church, I don’t need the little shopping plaza church, or the Mega church, for what do i need the church, if I’m the church?

.Just saying
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Ignoring the caricature aspect of this, there are scant few people actually feel this way.
No where in scripture is there a mention of a healthy faith outside of the community of believers. “Where two or more…” etc., seems to indicate communion, not only with one another, but also with the whole Church in every time and place, past, present, and future.

From a Lutheran perspective is the further issue that one finds the sacraments and the preaching of the word within the congregation of believers. From Baptism, to Confession, to the Eucharist, we find these in the Church, not off on our own.

Just my thoughts

Jon
 
Randy_Carson said:
Sisters can’t confect anything.

Only priests can confect the sacramental elements.

(oh, alright…I’ll go ahead and say that was an attempt at female ordination humor lest I get a bunch of posts aimed me.)
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ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur47.htm

Recently, however, another solution has been found thanks to the patience and perseverance of two nuns, Sisters Jane Heschmeyer and Lynn Marie D’Souza, of the Benedictine convent in Clyde, Missouri. Over two years of experiments they have developed a Communion wafer that has been approved as valid material for the Eucharist by the Holy See.
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  With a level of gluten content of 0.01% it is safe enough for consumption        by almost all celiac suffers, according to Dr. Alessio Fasano of the        University of Maryland and other medical experts. 
  
  The U.S. bishops' Committee on the Liturgy has deemed the sisters' bread        "the only true, low-gluten altar bread approved for use at Mass in the        United States." 
  
  Fasano called the sisters' accomplishment "very wonderful news," but added        that celiac sufferers should still consult with their doctors before        consuming the new hosts. "In rare cases even 0.01% is still too much,"        Fasano said. 
  
  See the Catholic Key [story](http://catholickey.org/index.php3?gif=news.gif&mode=view&issue=20040409&article_id=2858) posted on the Web. 
  
  Although the sisters' work seems to be the most promising to date, others        were also working on the problem and the Church has also recently approved        other low-gluten breads in Italy and Australia. ZE04091422
 
AMO…the people are the church…the bldg. is not. You should to read the bible but not interpret it to mean what you want it to. The proper interpretation comes from an inductive study of the bible with the resources available to give the explanation of what words & phrases mean. Resources like a concordance & a good commentary. You can do an internet search to find out what the Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic meanings are. Trust me that will clear up a huge mess with interpretation. Use an English/ Hebrew study bible, talk to jewish people or to a Rabbi. To study the bible from Hebrew/Jewish perspective is to bring light to your understanding.

Shalom
Walt
 
AMO…the bible is also very clear to not forsake the assembly. It also says man sharpens man as iron sharpens iron. You need to fewllowship with like minded believers.

Shalom
Walt
 
1rocky1 said:
AMO…the bible is also very clear to not forsake the assembly. It also says man sharpens man as iron sharpens iron. You need to fewllowship with like minded believers.

Shalom
Walt
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Yes, the Bible is so clear that we now have hundreds of denominations claiming to have the correct interpretation. :eek:
 
Stilldreamn…if you read the bible you will find out that the only way to have Gods Grace is thru the acceptance of Christ as your Lord & Savior. Also baptism has absolutely nothing to do with forgiveness…Christ’s sacrifice upon the cross does. Please buy a bible & read it & let the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth. Christians are saved by the sacrifice of Christ, & become living breathing walking talking saints who are perfect, holy, righteous, blameless, justified & of a royal priesthood. If you don’t believe that then read the bible. I will be glad to send you references to all that I stated above. Send me a PM.

Shalom
Walt
 
JonNC said:
Ignoring the caricature aspect of this, there are scant few people actually feel this way.
No where in scripture is there a mention of a healthy faith outside of the community of believers. “Where two or more…” etc., seems to indicate communion, not only with one another, but also with the whole Church in every time and place, past, present, and future.

From a Lutheran perspective is the further issue that one finds the sacraments and the preaching of the word within the congregation of believers. From Baptism, to Confession, to the Eucharist, we find these in the Church, not off on our own.

Just my thoughts

Jon
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I think he was being sarcastic, Jon. That’s how I interpreted it. 😃
 
JosieL
would you please provide the scripture references for your statement that the bible plainly teaches about Catholic doctrines concerning grace & salvation. Please explain your position. By the way I don’t have a different bible…I have a Catholic Bible written in 1953. I will agree that the bible plainly & very clearly shows the correct path to grace & salvation…ie…Jesus Christ…do you agree with that?

Shalom
Walt
 
JonNC said:
Yes, I know, Josie. Lots of lurkers out there, you know, who might come away with the idea that that’s what all protestants think. :eek:

Jon
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The awkwardness for Lutherans is defending something we don’t call ourselves: Protestants 😃
 
1rocky1 said:
Stilldreamn…if you read the bible you will find out that the only way to have Gods Grace is thru the acceptance of Christ as your Lord & Savior. Also baptism has absolutely nothing to do with forgiveness…Christ’s sacrifice upon the cross does. Please buy a bible & read it & let the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth. Christians are saved by the sacrifice of Christ, & become living breathing walking talking saints who are perfect, holy, righteous, blameless, justified & of a royal priesthood. If you don’t believe that then read the bible. I will be glad to send you references to all that I stated above. Send me a PM.

Shalom
Walt
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I’m sure Stilldreamn will appreciate you thoughtful words, but we Lutherans believe that the references found in the Book of Concord reflect what scriptures say.

www.bookofconcord.org

Jon
 
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