Protestants, why are you not Catholic?

[aidanbradypop]

I fixed it.

 

[aidanbradypop]

I know a very devout Catholic lady down the street that will swear Paul was against Peter and should not be taken seriously.

As I always say…you have extremes in every pew.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Aidan and Brady are my sons. I am Pop aka Dustin and you are welcome!

 

[aidanbradypop]

I’ve been called worse.

 

[PRmerger]

That website is one opinion of a non Catholic. Much like this website “not allowed to post sedevacantist websites” but you get what I am saying.

But the non-Catholic is being a good Protestant when he decides for himself how to read the Bible, distill doctrines from it, and even what books belong in the Bible—that is the paradigm espoused by Protestants. “Magisterium? I don’t need a magisterium to tell me what to believe!”

But the sedevacantist is being a bad Catholic when he decides for himself.

Thus, a Catholic can tell a sedevacantist: you are not permitted to do that. And he can tell the Protestant that, as well.

A Protestant, however, must tell the anti-Pauline Christian: well, you are doing exactly what I have reserved for myself the right to do, so I suppose I have to say that what you have decided is right for you.

 

[aidanbradypop]

But the non-Catholic is being a good Protestant when he decides for himself how to read the Bible, distill doctrines from it, and even what books belong in the Bible—that is the paradigm espoused by Protestants. “Magisterium? I don’t need a magisterium to tell me what to believe!”

But the sedevacantist is being a bad Catholic when he decides for himself.

And how is this any different? What of the traditinalist Catholic that believes the “new mass” is sinful?

Thus, a Catholic can tell a sedevacantist: you are not permitted to do that. And he can tell the Protestant that, as well.

A Protestant, however, must tell the anti-Pauline Christian: well, you are doing exactly what I have reserved for myself the right to do, so I suppose I have to say that what you have decided is right for you.

There are anti Paul Catholics out there as well. I know one that lives down the street from me.

If we are going to disagree with a Statement of Faith from a certain denomination…that is fine but posting a link to someone’s opinion is not fair nor charitable. I could be wrong.

 

[PRmerger]

I know a very devout Catholic lady down the street that will swear Paul was against Peter and should not be taken seriously.

As I always say…you have extremes in every pew.

Extremism is not the Catholic paradigm–for one has divorced himself from the faith given, once for all, to the saints.

Extremism, however, must be tolerated with the Protestant paradigm–for the extremist is only doing exactly what the initial reformers did–protesting against whatever doctrine their original church espoused.

BTW, it’s not just one Protestant who views Paul as the false apostle.

Check out what comes up in a google search:

search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=crmas&p=paul+the+false+apostle

That is the fruit of the Protestant Reformation–“I get to protest and start my own church!”

 

[PRmerger]

And how is this any different? What of the traditinalist Catholic that believes the “new mass” is sinful?

It is different because the sedevacantists (who are NOT traditionalist Catholics, BTW) are not permitted to determine their own dogmas and doctrines.

In Protestantism, that is exactly what Protestants demand. “I want the right to read the Bible, determine what it means, all without the influence of any hierarchy!”

There are anti Paul Catholics out there as well. I know one that lives down the street from me.

Again, she is not permitted, in Catholicism, to do this.

If she were a Protestant, you would have to say, “That is your right to do! For that is exactly what I have done!”

If we are going to disagree with a Statement of Faith from a certain denomination…that is fine but posting a link to someone’s opinion is not fair nor charitable. I could be wrong.

Posting a link to someone’s opinion is not fair or charitable?

That’s just :whacky:

 

[Kliska]

I think this is huge. I once heard a Protestant preacher say that Romans was the constitution, the standard by which the rest of the bible was measured. If anything seemed to contradict Romans, Romans wins.

I would point out that there are many other books in the bible. Try the letter of James for instance.

I also find it interesting that so many Protestants stick to Romans when Paul is said, in the bible, to be difficult to understand. (2 Peter 3:16)

No other biblical author is described as difficult to understand in the bible, yet Protestants are constantly quoting Paul to promote their doctrines

I believe that Peter saying that shows that Paul offers the meat of the gospel. Paul also is in a unique position because of his past, his learning, his conversion, and his being taught directly by the risen Jesus. He underscores this by reminding everyone that he was taught by no ordinary human, but taken to be taught by the risen Jesus and sent specifically to head up taking the gospel to Gentiles, which is what I am.

 

[Kliska]

It is different because the sedevacantists (who are NOT traditionalist Catholics, BTW) are not permitted to determine their own dogmas and doctrines.

And yet, it happens all the time, and I do mean all the time. Before coming on here, every RC I conversed with determined, for themselves, which bits of the RC faith they observed and believed and which they do not. This isn’t just laity, it’s priests.

In Protestantism, that is exactly what Protestants demand. “I want the right to read the Bible, determine what it means, all without the influence of any hierarchy!”

You keep presenting this straw man, PR. It does nothing to show you actually understand the Protestant position.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Extremism is not the Catholic paradigm–for one has divorced himself from the faith given, once for all, to the saints.

Extremism, however, must be tolerated with the Protestant paradigm–for the extremist is only doing exactly what the initial reformers did–protesting against whatever doctrine their original church espoused.

BTW, it’s not just one Protestant who views Paul as the false apostle.

Check out what comes up in a google search:

search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=crmas&p=paul+the+false+apostle

That is the fruit of the Protestant Reformation–“I get to protest and start my own church!”

Old Catholic, PNCC and all the others out there. Both sides suffer from extremism.

It is different because the sedevacantists (who are NOT traditionalist Catholics, BTW) are not permitted to determine their own dogmas and doctrines.

Did I state they were?

In Protestantism, that is exactly what Protestants demand. “I want the right to read the Bible, determine what it means, all without the influence of any hierarchy!”

For some yes. As I said there are many extremes out there.

Again, she is not permitted, in Catholicism, to do this.

If she were a Protestant, you would have to say, “That is your right to do! For that is exactly what I have done!”

And yet she does.

Posting a link to someone’s opinion is not fair or charitable?

That’s just :whacky:

So I cannot post links to the sedevacantists but it is fine and charitable to post a link of someone’s opinion that does not jive with Christianity?

No it is not charitable and I am sorry you think it is whacky

 

[CatholicAlbo]

The separation of Christian (Holy Catholic church),for me its really unacceptable ,and i’m really worried cause there are more than 41,000 christian (protestant) religions. We got first separation of church in 1054 (Western and Eastern),and than in 1517 Martin Luther created “Protestantism” and since that time,everyone “created” theirs version of Christianity. I got a protestant friend,and i see how wrong was separating of church,cause they dont look like Christians at all. I mean,why they use bible of King James ? Or why they removed purgatory ? Or why for them Holy Mary is not holy at all ? Or why they don’t respect Saints ? Why did they separated the church ??? We should pray for them,to find the truth christian church! The only one which has been founded by Jesus and Saint Peter!

 

[aidanbradypop]

The spearation of Christian (Holy Catholic church),for me its really unacceptable ,and i’m really worried cause there are more than 41,000 christian (protestant) religions. We got first separation of church in 1054 (Western and Eastern),and than in 1517 Martin Luther created “Protestantism” and since that time,everyone “created” theirs version of Christianity. I got a protestant friend,and i see how wrong was separating of church,cause they dont look like Christians at all. I mean,why they use bible of King James ? Or why they removed purgatory ? Or why for them Holy Mary is not holy at all ? Or why they don’t respect Saints ? Why did they separated the church ??? We should pray for them,to find the truth christian church! The only one which has been founded by Jesus and Saint Peter!

RCC has “created” their version of Christianity.

Protestants do not look like Christians?

I love the KJV.

 

[PRmerger]

And yet, it happens all the time, and I do mean all the time. Before coming on here, every RC I conversed with determined, for themselves, which bits of the RC faith they observed and believed and which they do not. This isn’t just laity, it’s priests

You are projecting your Protestant reality upon Catholicism, Kliska.

There is the teaching of the Church and it is clear to all through the Catechism, encyclicals, and magisterium.

And then there are those who dissent.

That is not permitted in Catholicism.

It is, however, exactly what the PR (Protestant Reformation ) ordered.

 

[PRmerger]

You keep presenting this straw man, PR. It does nothing to show you actually understand the Protestant position.

It has yet to be refuted by any Protestant here. That’s why I keep bringing it up.

I have a multitude of repetitive arguments I love to present, and some folks think that they can dismiss them either by saying, “You’ve said that before.” Or “That’s false”…

but that is not the same as refuting the arguments.

And that is why I will continue to keep presenting some of the same old, same old.

Because…they are incontrovertible.

 

[Kliska]

The separation of Christian (Holy Catholic church),for me its really unacceptable

I don’t think any Christian enjoys it much. It is usually a point of sadness for all.

,and i’m really worried cause there are more than 41,000 christian (protestant) religions.

This seems like it need a reference. Usually when someone tries to figure this, they could one church as multiple churches based on location. So, for example they also say there is over 200 RCC’s. The divisions here are exaggerated when in reality there’s not that much of a difference in the different protestant churches.

cause they dont look like Christians at all. I mean,why they use bible of King James ? Or why they removed purgatory ? Or why for them Holy Mary is not holy at all ? Or why they don’t respect Saints ? Why did they separated the church ???

Do they believe what is stated in the Apostle’s Creed?

 

[CatholicAlbo]

RCC has “created” their version of Christianity.

Protestants do not look like Christians?

I love the KJV.

I’m sorry English language its not my native language,I’m Albanian.
Anyway,Protestantism is created by some rebel priests,they changed almost everything and created a “New” version of Christianity as they wanted to. They changed a lot of things!
Protestantism is just a bad copy of Catholicism.
Holy Mary in Protestantism its not holy,you got different bible (modification and translated as they wanted) Church’s which dont look at all like traditional churchs. And than,prayers look ridicules. Catholicism is founded by Jesus Christ and Saint Peter! Its 2013 years old! Protestanism its generally 450 years old,founded by some rebel priests…

BE ORIGINAL! BE CATHOLIC!

 

[PRmerger]

Old Catholic, PNCC and all the others out there. Both sides suffer from extremism.

Did I state they were?

For some yes. As I said there are many extremes out there.

And yet she does.

So I cannot post links to the sedevacantists but it is fine and charitable to post a link of someone’s opinion that does not jive with Christianity?

No it is not charitable and I am sorry you think it is whacky

You are getting a bit too snippy for me, abp. So I am going to have to say buh-bye.

 

[Porknpie]

And yet, it happens all the time, and I do mean all the time. Before coming on here, every RC I conversed with determined, for themselves, which bits of the RC faith they observed and believed and which they do not. This isn’t just laity, it’s priests.

You keep presenting this straw man, PR. It does nothing to show you actually understand the Protestant position.

No strawman here. For when a Catholic departs from the teaching of the Church, whether it be laity or a priest, we can say that they are wrong to do so. PR’s point is that in Protestantism, one can not say that one is wrong to read the bible and differ on faith and morals from someone down the street, reading the same bible and having a different interpretation.

PnP

 

[aidanbradypop]

I’m sorry English language its not my native language,I’m Albanian.
Anyway,Protestantism is created by some rebel priests,they changed almost everything and created a “New” version of Christianity as they wanted to. They changed a lot of things!
Protestantism is just a bad copy of Catholicism.
Holy Mary in Protestantism its not holy,you got different bible (modification and translated as they wanted) Church’s which dont look at all like traditional churchs. And than,prayers look ridicules. Catholicism is founded by Jesus Christ and Saint Peter! Its 2013 years old! Protestanism its generally 450 years old,founded by some rebel priests…

BE ORIGINAL! BE CATHOLIC!

Your english is great

Thank you for your views.