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Holly3278
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Yes, and you can get a free Catechism of the Catholic Church here:
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You can also get a free rosary throught that site!
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askacatholic.com/_WhatsNew/feature_pages/CatechismForProtestantsProgram.cfm
You can also get a free rosary throught that site!
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Roman_Catholic_1
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So a Catholic could take communion in the UMC? I did not know that.
Of course when I say could I mean that the UMC would allow it. Not that the Catholic Church would approve of it. Just so I don’t confuse anyone
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Roman_Catholic_1
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Is your problem with Transubstantiation in particular or the Real Presence in general? For instance, are you be okay with the Lutheran or Anglican view on it?
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BrianH
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Its not part of the liturgy but our minister says something to the effectSo a Catholic could take communion in the UMC? I did not know that.
Of course when I say could I mean that the UMC would allow it. Not that the Catholic Church would approve of it. Just so I don’t confuse anyone
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This is not a United Methodist table; this is a Christ’s table. All are welcome. If you belong to a Christian community that does not have table fellowship with fellow believers, please pray for the unity of Christ’s church.
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Roman_Catholic_1
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Paul3144
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Transubstantiation. I think the 1689 London Baptist Confession nailed it on this point:
vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc30.html
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Roman_Catholic_1
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So you, as a Baptist, have no qualms with the belief of eating the Flesh of Christ and drinking His Blood (in a real physical sense not a symbolic one) so long as the bread and wine remain bread and wine?
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Paul3144
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It is not in a physical sense, but rather spiritually and by faith. It’s an in-between position between physical presence and all-out memorialism. In the U.S., where I live, this is a minority view; however, it is the majority view of British Baptists.
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Roman_Catholic_1
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Forgive me Paul for my persistence in this. You had said that one of your reasons for not being Catholic was transubstantiation. Since stating why you are not Catholic was the point of this thread I am not going to question your disagreement with it but I am just curious if your problem is with how the Church teaches the Real Presence occurs or with the teaching on the Real Presence itself.
For instance, Lutherans deny transubstantiation however they still believe that they eat the flesh of Christ and drink His blood in communion in a real physical sense.
If what I am asking is still unclear, or if you have already answered it and it is unclear to me let me know.
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dsears
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First off, because I believe that women can be pastors of churches.
I believe that married people can also be pastors of churches.
I also have some issues with some of the traditions that make no sense to me.
I believe that married people can also be pastors of churches.
I also have some issues with some of the traditions that make no sense to me.
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Bill_Pick
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This person has never read the catholicism of the cathloic or they can not make this remark Please tell us what you think the Church said about being saved or what you think it said
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Roman_Catholic_1
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Welcome to the forums dsearzs. I believe there are those within the Episcopalian/Anglican denomination who disagree with you.
Then you have come to the right place. Perhaps we cannot make them make sense to you, but we can sure try
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Roman_Catholic_1
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Yes Bill I do believe you are right. I can respect someone’s honest disagreements with the Catholic Church so long as they are disagreements with what the Church teaches. If someone told me that they could not accept the doctrine on Papal infallibility and went on to explain why, I could respect that. However, if someone told me that they could not be Catholic because they could not accept the belief that Christ lives on the planet Jupiter drinking cool aid and enjoying the view from there… I couldn’t respect that
Or in this case that we believe in a works righteous salvation.God bless
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imjustme
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Yes, of course there is a process, and it is explained in Scripture:Hello D L, at the moment I will just say,Christ through his death and resurrection has provided abundantly for the salvation of all men and women, however, that does not mean that there is no process by which this is applied to us as individuals, obviously there is or we would have been saved and justified from all eternity.Carlan
"If you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved " (Romans 10:9, 10)
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Paul3144
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But there’s more than just justification, there’s also the process of sanctification.
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Paul3144
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I’ll try again.
The bread and wine undergo no physical change. My view is not that Christ is present in a physical way, but rather that Christ is spiritually present. God then uses the experience of Communion as a means of grace when a worthy believer receives the elements. The grace is not bound up in the bread and wine, but God uses the ordinances as one way to reach out to us and meet us by faith.In short, I hold to the Calvinist or Reformed view of the ordinances; most other U.S. Baptists hold to memorialism.
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Roman_Catholic_1
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Got’chaI’ll try again.
In short, I hold to the Calvinist or Reformed view of the ordinances; most other U.S. Baptists hold to memorialism.
Thank you for clarifying. I was just making sure that you were not a Baptist who believed in the physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Not that I see anything wrong with the belief of course but it would be strange for a Baptist to affirm it. I thought you might be since you said you disagreed with transubstantiation in particular but didn’t say anything about the belief in the Real Presence in general.
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imjustme
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Justification = Salvation. Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins. His blood washes away our sins and believers are saved because of Jesus’ sacrifice. We can do nothing to earn salvation.
Sanctification is a result of (but not a condition for) salvation. Once saved, the Holy Spirit enters our life and moves us to live the life God wants for us. However, Sanctification does not stop at salvation, but is a process that continues in a Christian’s life.
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from youselves, it is the gift of God–not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do " (Eph. 2:8,9).
Isn’t this also what Baptists believe?
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Paul3144
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No, sanctification is a part of salvation. It is true that justification will certainly result in sanctification. Here’s a quote from the Baptist Faith and Message which will clear up the Southern Baptist view of this:
Salvation involves the redemption of the whole man, and is offered freely to all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, who by His own blood obtained eternal redemption for the believer. In its broadest sense salvation includes regeneration, justification, sanctification, and glorification. There is no salvation apart from personal faith in Jesus Christ as Lord.
A. Regeneration, or the new birth, is a work of God’s grace whereby believers become new creatures in Christ Jesus. It is a change of heart wrought by the Holy Spirit through conviction of sin, to which the sinner responds in repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Repentance and faith are inseparable experiences of grace.
Repentance is a genuine turning from sin toward God. Faith is the acceptance of Jesus Christ and commitment of the entire personality to Him as Lord and Saviour.
B. Justification is God’s gracious and full acquittal upon principles of His righteousness of all sinners who repent and believe in Christ. Justification brings the believer unto a relationship of peace and favor with God.
C. Sanctification is the experience, beginning in regeneration, by which the believer is set apart to God’s purposes, and is enabled to progress toward moral and spiritual maturity through the presence and power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in him. Growth in grace should continue throughout the regenerate person’s life.
D. Glorification is the culmination of salvation and is the final blessed and abiding state of the redeemed.
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imjustme
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I was born and raised Roman Catholic, including 6 years in Catholic Boarding school (in Italy - with nuns even!) and received Catholic Baptism, First Holy Communion, Confirmation, and Marriage. With several priests in the family and being raised by nuns (and a very devout mother) I was well indoctrinated in the Catholic faith…sometimes going to regular mass on Sunday morning and Latin mass in the afternoon.Protestants, what ever your denomination is, please tell me why you will not be Catholic!?
xxx jennifer xxx
All the years as a Catholic, I never read a Bible from cover to cover.
Once I finally got around to reading and studying the Bible (in my 40s), I learned that there are many inconsistencies between the Bible and Catholic Doctrine. I began to research the many issues (false doctrine) and decided that the Catholic Church is not where I wanted to worship.
I actually went through a phase of being very upset at those who taught me…I reasoned that my parents and other lay people didn’t know any better…but how could the nuns and priests have read scripture and not realize that they were not the same as Catholic doctrine? My greatest regret is that I raised my children Catholic and I feel that I have somewhat failed as a parent for not researching sooner so that I could have set them on the right path from an early age. As God would have it, my son is now a born-again Christian and very involved in a Baptist Church (wants to be a youth pastor - praise the Lord!)…I am still praying for my daughter to find the true path…I know it will happen when God wants.
I wonder if you’ve ever read through the whole Bible and wondered about the inconsistencies.
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