Protestants; why won't you be CATHOLIC!?

[Bill_Pick]

Please pray for this person , if they get to heaven They have to tell Our Lord they do not like His pray the Our Father

 

[guanophore]

Why should I be a Catholic? When some of the teaching is flawed.

What are some things Catholics do (that protestants don’t do) that the Holy Bible says they should?

1. Please give Biblical reference, thank-you.

What teaching is that, Imitator?

Other people’s shortcomings is a very poor reason to avoid the One Church founded by Christ.

 

[guanophore]

I don’t recal seeing this in the Bible:

Is this “Holy Rosary” something that is put together like the Apostle’s Creed. (Different parts of the Bible put togehter into one thing to recite?)

No. The contents of the Apostles’ Creed is a summary of the faith taught by the Apostles prior to the NT being written.

Do you believe, if you can’t see something in scripture, it is not valid?

Are you sure that all the parts were meant to be put together into some sort of ritual and to be said several times over?  The Rosary doesn't save you, Jesus does.

Prayer helps us to stay close to Jesus, who is our saviour.

He doesn’t say to recite anything, but to ask him to be you Lord & Savior, and to show you how to live your life for him.

Do you know what prayer book Jesus used? Do you know the prayers He recited daily?

One thing I want to say about the "Lord's Prayer".

I think that prayer is way overley used in the older protestant & catholic Churches.
Jesus stated that it was a model prayer not a special prayer that we need to recite often.

Where did He say not to?

Do you honestly mean to say that the prayer that Jesus taugh His disciples when they asked Him to show them how to pray is not a special prayer? Every time I think I have heard everything, I get corrected here.

Also, I think people use it when it makes no sense to; I’ve seen it done.

We are to pray with the mind, and with the Spirit. Sometimes the mind is unfruitful during prayer. Not all prayer has to be rational, or “make sense” to the rational mind

Like for example when someone is in trouble, and they need God to help them, they use the “Lord’s Prayer”.

I agree, this is not the only time a person should pray, however, it is not wrong to pray at such times, either.

–Just saying I think it has become a ritual, and not something that we are truley asking God in our hearts. (Only speaking it with our mouths).

I guess you would be the best judge of that for yourself.

 

[guanophore]

This is false. Lutherans and Anglicans continued with the Early Church traditions and doctrines. The Reformation didn’t squash the sign of the cross, the Eucharist, the Communion of Saints etc. Sounds like you need some educating on what exactly the Reformation was.

I did not say they did. I said that whatever they retaine of theApostolic faith was the portions of Catholicism they retained. When they departed from Apostolic Teaching, they began embracing errors, and the departure went from bad to worse.
"guanophore:

Protestant groups that have retained Catholic doctrine have retained Apostolic Teaching. But they are that way in spite of the Reformation. To the extent that denominations depart from Apostolic doctrine, they do so by rejecting elements of the Catholic faith, some more, some less.

Oh no wait just a minute. That is false. Some of the mainline Protestants such as Anglicans did not do anything in spite of the Reformation. They retained those Apostolic teachings because they never departed from them nor did the Reformation sever them.

That is my point. The reformation attempted to sever the power of the Church by disconnecting from the Apostolic Succession. In the process, connection with the Apostolic Teaching, preserved through that succession, was lost.

Your understaning of the Reformation is flawed in so much as it did not deviate from Early Church teachings as later groups such as the Puritans did.

I think that you really have no clue about my understanding of the Reformation.

I never said that later groups did not deviate more. Of course they did! The further you branch out from the Truth, the more error exists.

Archbishop Cranmer was ridiculed by the Puritans for remaining too Catholic after the Reformation in England.

And, as a result, there are really very few issues that need to be addressed for unity to be restored.
"guanophore:

It is not cookie cutter at all. Those members of the Reformation who felt they needed to separate themselves form the Apostolic Succession did so with deliberation, and no small hostility.

I don’t agree with that statement at all. See the above quote.

Then it is not me who needs an education in the Reformation.

 

[roselily]

I don’t recal seeing this in the Bible:

Is this “Holy Rosary” something that is put together like the Apostle’s Creed. (Different parts of the Bible put togehter into one thing to recite?)
Are you sure that all the parts were meant to be put together into some sort of ritual and to be said several times over? The Rosary doesn’t save you, Jesus does.
He doesn’t say to recite anything, but to ask him to be you Lord & Savior, and to show you how to live your life for him.

One thing I want to say about the “Lord’s Prayer”.
I think that prayer is way overley used in the older protestant & catholic Churches.
Jesus stated that it was a model prayer not a special prayer that we need to recite often.
Also, I think people use it when it makes no sense to; I’ve seen it done.
Like for example when someone is in trouble, and they need God to help them, they use the “Lord’s Prayer”.
–Just saying I think it has become a ritual, and not something that we are truley asking God in our hearts. (Only speaking it with our mouths).

Oh, Imitator, if you read Bible and think more about it, you will have more understanding of Holy Rosary. I pray Holy Rosary with a tender heart every morning now,
Christ, our Lord, I love with my heart for the sweetness of his doctrine, the bitterness of his death, and the glory of his resurrection. and I pray and meditating upon these mysteries of the Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Holy Mother. And Christ promised us the eternal life happiness inexhaustible. I pray many times every day of our Lord’s prayer, and pray His kingdom come!

I, Imitator!
That when I pray Lord’s Prayer,
As I pray with all my heart and soul,
When I pray for myself, and pray for others , I use Lord’s prayer, because in Holy Bible said,
“But strive first for the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.”
-Matthew 6:33

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

What teaching is that, Imitator?

Other people’s shortcomings is a very poor reason to avoid the One Church founded by Christ.

If those fruits are shortcomings of a religion - including Rome - then Rome should be judged by them. Would you ignore the activities of a serial child abuser who told you listen to his words and ignore his actions ? I hope not - that would be extremely unsafe behaviour. So why should Churches with plenty to say for themselves be allowed to have their bad fruits overlooked ? That too would be extremely unsafe behaviour. Rome shows its true character by how we behave - otherwise, the test by fruits is meaningless because useless. False prophets in the NT church were known by their fruits - why should that test not now be equally applicable ? If Catholics behave like devils & pagans - maybe that reflects the character of the CC. A Christian Church does not behave as the CC has, again & again & again. So what is to be done about all that ?​

 

[SimonArizona]

If those fruits are shortcomings of a religion - including Rome - then Rome should be judged by them. Would you ignore the activities of a serial child abuser who told you listen to his words and ignore his actions ? I hope not - that would be extremely unsafe behaviour. So why should Churches with plenty to say for themselves be allowed to have their bad fruits overlooked ? That too would be extremely unsafe behaviour. Rome shows its true character by how we behave - otherwise, the test by fruits is meaningless because useless. False prophets in the NT church were known by their fruits - why should that test not now be equally applicable ? If Catholics behave like devils & pagans - maybe that reflects the character of the CC. A Christian Church does not behave as the CC has, again & again & again. So what is to be done about all that ?​

Please do judge the Catholic Church by its fruits.

Less than one percent of the worlds priests are homosexuals acting out on young men.

the Catholic Church’s saints are as numerous as the stars.

 

[guanophore]

If those fruits are shortcomings of a religion - including Rome - then Rome should be judged by them.​

Well, there are several problems with this. First of all, the Catholic Church is not “Roman”. Second, Jesus did not found “religion”, and His truth should not be judged by those who depart from it. That is like saying that He was a fraud because of how Judas behaved.

Third, and probably most important, sin is a shortcoming of humans because we are born into it, and because Satan knows it can keep us away from Christ. It is not a “fruit” of religion, but a “fruit” of evil.

If you wish to find some excuse for rebellion against the Church, then something else is necessary.

Would you ignore the activities of a serial child abuser who told you listen to his words and ignore his actions ? I hope not - that would be extremely unsafe behaviour.

No, but the Church does not teach or promote this behavior, so that is irrelevant.

So why should Churches with plenty to say for themselves be allowed to have their bad fruits overlooked ?

I never suggested that bad fruits should be overlooked. I said that the Truth of Christ should not be judged by the behavior of those (such as Judas) that depart from it.

That too would be extremely unsafe behaviour. Rome shows its true character by how we behave - otherwise, the test by fruits is meaningless because useless.

I don’t know what you mean by “Rome”, and I don’t understand the logic in judging as Source by those who depart from it. Most of all, I don’t understand why you say “how we behave”. Are you refering to the 'we" who depart from the Church teachings?

False prophets in the NT church were known by their fruits - why should that test not now be equally applicable ? If Catholics behave like devils & pagans - maybe that reflects the character of the CC.

No, Gottle. You have it backwards. The reason that judging them by their fruits is effective is because it is evidence that the person has departed from the Truth. You seem to be willing to go to great lenghts to discredit Christ. Judas demonstrates Him as a poor teacher, is that your line of reasoning?

A Christian Church does not behave as the CC has, again & again & again. So what is to be done about all that ?

The Church herself is holy, pure, spotless and infallible. The fallen persons who are members of her are not.

I think what should be done is that you should ask forgiveness for harboring this resentment, and ask Jesus to help you love HIs Bride as much as He does.

 

[Carlan]

Oh, Imitator, if you read Bible and think more about it, you will have more understanding of Holy Rosary. I pray Holy Rosary with a tender heart every morning now,
Christ, our Lord, I love with my heart for the sweetness of his doctrine, the bitterness of his death, and the glory of his resurrection. and I pray and meditating upon these mysteries of the Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Holy Mother. And Christ promised us the eternal life happiness inexhaustible. I pray many times every day of our Lord’s prayer, and pray His kingdom come!

I, Imitator!
That when I pray Lord’s Prayer,
As I pray with all my heart and soul,
When I pray for myself, and pray for others , I use Lord’s prayer, because in Holy Bible said,
“But strive first for the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.”
-Matthew 6:33

Thank you Roselily, For your beautiful thought and prayers this morning, God continue to love you in your sweet way,:hug1::heaven: Heaven bound! Carlan

 

[roselily]

Carlan:
:hug1: You are kind, Carlan. very kind.
Ah, Carlan! It is -Sunday, We worship Christ , our Lord.:harp::heaven:
O Carlan, Christ Himself called to the Father, 'Remove this bitter cup form me, still He drank it. Christ Himself died on the cross, and and His glory resurrection, has purchased for us the rewards of eternal life, we first pray His kingdom come-because it is the the last plank of salvation.

“In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to the one who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered;”

• Hebrews 5:7-8

O Christ, aid ! O Christ, save!

 

[Zundrah]

I don’t recal seeing this in the Bible:

Is this “Holy Rosary” something that is put together like the Apostle’s Creed. (Different parts of the Bible put togehter into one thing to recite?)
Are you sure that all the parts were meant to be put together into some sort of ritual and to be said several times over? The Rosary doesn’t save you, Jesus does.
He doesn’t say to recite anything, but to ask him to be you Lord & Savior, and to show you how to live your life for him.

One thing I want to say about the “Lord’s Prayer”.
I think that prayer is way overley used in the older protestant & catholic Churches.
Jesus stated that it was a model prayer not a special prayer that we need to recite often.
Also, I think people use it when it makes no sense to; I’ve seen it done.
Like for example when someone is in trouble, and they need God to help them, they use the “Lord’s Prayer”.
–Just saying I think it has become a ritual, and not something that we are truley asking God in our hearts. (Only speaking it with our mouths).

I agree, there are so many rituals in the catholic church that it just becomes an act rather then devotion.

e.g. Body rather than Soul

 

[newbear]

I am looking for the right church to become a member. I’m not Catholic, but I respect your church a great deal. Newbear

 

[Zundrah]

I am looking for the right church to become a member. I’m not Catholic, but I respect your church a great deal. Newbear

Just go to a catholic church, its great there, I am in a catholic church too! You will love it!

 

[mathematician]

Protestants, what ever your denomination is, please tell me why you will not be Catholic!?

xxx jennifer xxx

Because I don’t trust an institution as highly centralised as the Roman Catholic Church. They may think that they are exempt from the dictum that power tends to corrupt, but I, let us say, am a little less sure of that.

 

[Zundrah]

Because I don’t trust an institution as highly centralised as the Roman Catholic Church. They may think that they are exempt from the dictum that power tends to corrupt, but I, let us say, am a little less sure of that.

You have got my vote!

 

[leopolis1]

Protestants, what ever your denomination is, please tell me why you will not be Catholic!?

xxx jennifer xxx

Because protestants believe in lies. The main lie is that the CC is evil and hore of Babylon (that’s one of protestant dogmas), so when mommy and daddy said so - they must be right. When they believe this they will have to find something to justify their separation from the Body of Christ. They don’t like infallibility of the pope - they prefer their own infallibility as a result there are thousands of protestant popes: 2 Tm 4, 3 they will collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; (dear separated brethren, please pray for a gift of humility for yourselves). Jesus said: this is my Body, this is my Blood, but protestant non-believers know better than Jesus - it’s just bread and wine.
etc.
I think it’s not enough to ask Protestants why they are not Catholic, you should also ask Catholics why they are not Protestants. Here’s my answer:
I am not Protestant because Protestants don’t obey the vicar of Christ, have no Real Presence and no Eucharistic miracles, no sacrament of reconcilliation, no stigmata, no Lourdes, no Fatima, no Guadalupe, no apparitions of Jesus and messages for the world (Faustina), preach nonsenses and have really bad ideas (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones), are illogical - not able to answer why their denomination is the right one - prefer being generally “Christian”, money Gospel, too strict or too liberal - blessing gay couples etc., irritating and annoying way of preaching, ridiculous names of their denominations… Enough?

 

[Zundrah]

Because protestants believe in lies. The main lie is that the CC is evil and hore of Babylon (that’s one of protestant dogmas), so when mommy and daddy said so - they must be right. When they believe this they will have to find something to justify their separation from the Body of Christ. They don’t like infallibility of the pope - they prefer their own infallibility as a result there are thousands of protestant popes: 2 Tm 4, 3 they will collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; (dear separated brethren, please pray for a gift of humility for yourselves). Jesus said: this is my Body, this is my Blood, but protestant non-believers know better than Jesus - it’s just bread and wine.
etc.
I think it’s not enough to ask Protestants why they are not Catholic, you should also ask Catholics why they are not Protestants. Here’s my answer:
I am not Protestant because Protestants don’t obey the vicar of Christ, have no Real Presence and no Eucharistic miracles, no sacrament of reconcilliation, no stigmata, no Lourdes, no Fatima, no Guadalupe, no apparitions of Jesus and messages for the world (Faustina), preach nonsenses and have really bad ideas (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones), are illogical - not able to answer why their denomination is the right one - prefer being generally “Christian”, money Gospel, too strict or too liberal - blessing gay couples etc., irritating and annoying way of preaching, ridiculous names of their denominations… Enough?

No it is not enough!

I left my methodist church and joined a catholic church but now I am being told that I wont be catholic, and this is all just because I don’t believe that a wafer is jesus??? WTF!?

 

[mathematician]

Because protestants believe in lies. The main lie is that the CC is evil and hore of Babylon (that’s one of protestant dogmas),

****. You will hear that from some fundamentalists, nobody else.

When they believe this they will have to find something to justify their separation from the Body of Christ.

Dispensing with the services of the Pope does not separate them from the body of Christ.

They don’t like infallibility of the pope

That’s because he isn’t infallible.

• they prefer their own infallibility:

I have yet to meet a Protestant, or for that matter any sane person, who thinks he is infallible.

D as a result there are thousands of protestant popes:

There is not one. At the end of the nineteenth century there was an attempt to turn the Archbishop of Canterbury into an Anglican Pope, but sanity prevailed.

Body, this is my Blood, but protestant non-believers know better than Jesus - it’s just bread and wine.

My impression is that the majority of Protestants believe in the real presence. What they don’t believe in is transubstantiation.

 

[Zundrah]

****. You will hear that from some fundamentalists, nobody else.

Dispensing with the services of the Pope does not separate them from the body of Christ.

That’s because he isn’t infallible.

I have yet to meet a Protestant, or for that matter any sane person, who thinks he is infallible.

There is not one. At the end of the nineteenth century there was an attempt to turn the Archbishop of Canterbury into an Anglican Pope, but sanity prevailed.

My impression is that the majority of Protestants believe in the real presence. What they don’t believe in is transubstantiation.

I also was certain that most protestants believe in the real presence? My church didn’t though. My church was methodist.

 

[Carlan]

Just go to a catholic church, its great there, I am in a catholic church too! You will love it!

Sorry Zundrah, you are begining to sound a bit off to me, What gives with you, are you really all that mixed up. Read posts 429 And 431. And there are other posts of yours elsewhere. Don’t mean to be uncharitable but I am not understanding:shrug:Carlan