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I’m heading to pick up my Wife. I may not be back til tomorrow. We’ll probably viisit her Mom. Her Mom appears to be on her death bed. God bless her and be with her and take her into His everlasting and loving arms.
 
Dokimas said:

If the setting up of fast days by the church is Biblical, why’d it stop? Is it sinning or causing its people to sin?​

Sure disobeying the Bible is sin if the specific thing is for all of us to follow.
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It didnt stop. Fridays are still fast days, you are just allowed to choose your own fast (I am pretty sure on this one, but not 100% and I dont feel like looking it up).

No fast days are not causing people to sin, but a particular fast (i.e. meat) may have VASTLY less significance to one than another (vegetarian vs. non veggie etc. etc.). It is for this reason that we are called to find our own method of fasting to “fill up what is lacking in Christs suffering”. The thing that was lacking was our contributing/suffering with Christ. It was perfect and complete, but we should all strive to be like Christ and these are the small ways in which we may do this.

At least that is one mans understanding of the situation.

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I will keep you, your wife, her mother, and your family in my prayers.

God bless you sir,

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Des said:
Catholics must consent to the Dogmas of the Church. You don’t. Stop pretending like you are a Catholic when your heart is clearly protestant.

Even Catholics who struggle with the Dogmas make an attempt to come to terms with them or just believe without understanding. You on the other hand have decided to follow made made doctrines, stating them as fact.

And if one is to read any 10 posts of yours, it’s easy to know exactly who’s side you’re on when all you do is bicker with Catholics and get an “Amen” from protestants.
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Look I am not nor will be a brainwashed Catholic who just goes along with whatever because someone in the Church deems it is the way it should be. Now I am not saying that you are or those that just come to terms without understanding what it is that they believe. My faith in Jesus says different, He tells us to try thr Spirits and I do . If you don’t well then I guess you believe anything you are told and if that works for you so be it. I really don’t care what you think I am or not, what is important to me is following Jesus! I am not bickering just don’t agree on some issues.
 
Dokimas said:
Des is saying she is not in your family, is she not?
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Des is saying that if you want to claim family, you should live by the family’s rules. If you won live the rules you arent in the family. Harsh, but true.

You cant be a Pro-Choice Catholic. You cannot be a Pro-ABC Catholic. You may pray for those things to change (they wont), but you can not support them and still be a Catholic.

Again, it sounds harsh, but it is true and based entirely upon love of the trinity and love for each other…

I know you may not understand that, but there it is.

And I am not mocking your understanding, these are hard things to know. Harder to follow, but still hard to understand.

With love,

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Dokimas said:

-I agree it’s not really a meat issue but telling someone they must not eat it or they’ll be sinning.​

I hope you apply your logic equally to the man who spilled his seed disobediently. It was a disobedience issue, not a birth control issue.
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Yes. I myself question that reference to Onan spilling his seed. It seem to me to be quite a peculiar way to support the Church’s position on birth control.​

If the CC was not speaking infallibly about a sin issue that wasn’t a sin, how do I know when they’re really speaking for God? That’s my original point.
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Obedience is not determinate on infalliblity, but upon authority. Don’t you tell your children to obey you? Should the obey you because you’re infallible, or because you have authority?

How did the Israelites know to follow Moses? Even when Moses led them astray in the desert they were obligated to follow him. There were many who didn’t want to submit to him anymore (Num 16). Yet, even though Moses was headed the wrong way, he was being navigated by God every step of the way.

We as Christians are bound to follow what Christ has set up for us. See Matt 23:3
and Heb 13:17

As it is will all disagreements among Protestants and Catholics, the bottom line always becomes the question of authority. Is it me, myself and I who determines what’s God’s revelation, or is it someone else, namely the Body of Christ?
 
FidesSpesCarita said:
Des is saying that if you want to claim family, you should live by the family’s rules. If you won live the rules you arent in the family. Harsh, but true.

You cant be a Pro-Choice Catholic. You cannot be a Pro-ABC Catholic. You may pray for those things to change (they wont), but you can not support them and still be a Catholic.

Again, it sounds harsh, but it is true and based entirely upon love of the trinity and love for each other…

I know you may not understand that, but there it is.

And I am not mocking your understanding, these are hard things to know. Harder to follow, but still hard to understand.

With love,

FSC
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Did Jesus say that you can’t be an ABC Catholic? Or that I have to agree with you?
 
tweetymom said:
Look I am not nor will be a brainwashed Catholic who just goes along with whatever because someone in the Church deems it is the way it should be. Now I am not saying that you are or those that just come to terms without understanding what it is that they believe. My faith in Jesus says different, He tells us to try thr Spirits and I do . If you don’t well then I guess you believe anything you are told and if that works for you so be it. I really don’t care what you think I am or not, what is important to me is following Jesus! I am not bickering just don’t agree on some issues.
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I do not believe everything I am told, unless it comes from authority. There is no higher authority on earth than Sacred Scripture together with Sacred tradition. I will argue with neither, since both are inerrant and lead the Holy Catholic Church to infallibility. As such, I do not believe whatever “father says” and you are to be commended for that as well.

But you CANNOT hold, stubbornly, views and opinions directly contrary to Catholic Doctrine and be a Catholic. it isnt possible. I am sorry, and I do have empathy for your situation as many of the doctrines you disagree with are VERY hard to follow, but it is the truth.

I pray every day that God will grant me the wisdom to understand all the doctrines that I have trouble with, but I still follow them and I still believe in them. As father Corapi says, a thousand troubles dont make one doubt.

With love,

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tweetymom said:
Did Jesus say that you can’t be an ABC Catholic? Or that I have to agree with you?
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PRmerger said:

Yes. I myself question that reference to Onan spilling his seed. It seem to me to be quite a peculiar way to support the Church’s position on birth control.​

Obedience is not determinate on infalliblity, but upon authority. Don’t you tell your children to obey you? Should the obey you because you’re infallible, or because you have authority?

How did the Israelites know to follow Moses? Even when Moses led them astray in the desert they were obligated to follow him. There were many who didn’t want to submit to him anymore (Num 16). Yet, even though Moses was headed the wrong way, he was being navigated by God every step of the way.

We as Christians are bound to follow what Christ has set up for us. See Matt 23:3
and Heb 13:17

As it is will all disagreements among Protestants and Catholics, the bottom line always becomes the question of authority. Is it me, myself and I who determines what’s God’s revelation, or is it someone else, namely the Body of Christ?
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Tweety, see PR’s post above on authority and obedience. I wanted to re-post it to emphasize it.
 
FidesSpesCarita said:
I do not believe everything I am told, unless it comes from authority. There is no higher authority on earth than Sacred Scripture together with Sacred tradition. I will argue with neither, since both are inerrant and lead the Holy Catholic Church to infallibility. As such, I do not believe whatever “father says” and you are to be commended for that as well.

But you CANNOT hold, stubbornly, views and opinions directly contrary to Catholic Doctrine and be a Catholic. it isnt possible. I am sorry, and I do have empathy for your situation as many of the doctrines you disagree with are VERY hard to follow, but it is the truth.

I pray every day that God will grant me the wisdom to understand all the doctrines that I have trouble with, but I still follow them and I still believe in them. As father Corapi says, a thousand troubles dont make one doubt.

With love,

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And the authority is whom? The CC but not scriputal? Sorry I will continue my trying every spirit. Doctrine is not the Bible, you believe it because you choose to not because you have searched the scriptures. You allow others to make your faith in Jesus what they believe not what you have found to be in the scriptures. Well as for me being a Catholic or not it is not up to you just Jesus.
 
FidesSpesCarita said:
Tweety, see PR’s post above on authority and obedience. I wanted to re-post it to emphasize it.
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Well she or you can decide to be obediend to something even if it is not true if you like but as for me I choose to believe Jesus
 
Dokimas said:
Des, why don’t you mind your own business.
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The irony in such a statement.

I tend to care more for the seekers and lurkers into the Catholic faith being confused or mislead by her. So this being a Catholic forum, does sort of make it more my business than yours don’t you think.
 
Dokimas said:
Who is any church to tell a believer how to be disciplined in a way not spoken in the Bible? The Bible tells us we should fast, it tells us we should pray. I can’t remember a verse that tells us we’re sinning if we don’t fast or pray.
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No but Jesus founded a church and said: Whatever [YOU] bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and what [YOU] loose will be loosed.

Matt: 18-20 Now John’s disciples and the Pharisees were fasting; and people came and said to him, “Why do John’s disciples and the disciples of the Pharisees fast, but your disciples do not fast?”

And Jesus said to them, "Can the wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them? As long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast. The days will come, when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast in that day.
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onenow1:
Does’nt Jesus tell the Phasisees that they indeed will fast after the crucifixion sounds like a command to me?
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God Bless onenow1

And may the Lord be with you in your time of need !
 
I don’t care who said it , it ain’t in the Bible. All you have is someones say so. Oh and mind your own salvation.
 
Des said:
Thank you Fides for the back up. Oh and I’m not a she. I’m a he. 😉

And you don’t have someone’s say so that the Bible is the Written Word of God? On what grounds do you assume this?
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The Bible is the word of God period. I do not assume anything.
 
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