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Rainier22
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This is definitely news to me. I don’t know one can ever have knowledge of even having knowledge if the senses can’t be trusted. I really think that we’re getting so technical that it’s pointless. We’ve sent rockets billions of miles away, so I’m thinking our beliefs can be pretty accurate. Basically, we believe things are knowledge. We’re always agnostic to some extent, but the degree of that is really negligible in my opinion. I mean, if you see a glass of water, don’t you think you know there’s a glass of water there? It’s technically a belief, but I’d still call it knowledge. I’m not that picky.I realize this comment was addressed to Super Grover, but I have to make a comment on this distinction between knowledge and belief that you cling to so tightly.
Part of the problem with supposed rationalists or brights as they often call themselves – the self-proclaimed enlightened ones – is their consistent, or inconsistent (depending upon your point of view), application of the word “belief.” According to this group, theists have beliefs, but atheists, basing their conclusions solely upon verifiable evidence only work with “knowledge.” They “know” things but never, ever commit the sin of “believing” something. They cannot be “sucked in” to such a naive position as those theists, purely because of their intellectual superiority.
See, this kind of stuff pisses me off. What are you talking about? “We don’t believe things?” Who says that? This is a complete misrepresentation of atheists worldwide. I could make the exact same statement about theism, but it’s such a blatant stereotype that I wouldn’t do it. To me it sounds like you’re just saying “Atheists are always right. They even alter their words and change ours so they are always right.” Says who?Perhaps it is precisely here that intellectual pride shows itself in its most malignant form. They cannot be wrong because the evidence proves them right, so they can move forward, apparently immune from any possibility of error. “We don’t believe things,” they say, “We only accept or allow what demonstrates certainty, hence we have knowledge.”
If you want to deal with knowledge vs belief, then I have no idea what you’re talking about. My concern is with knowledge(or belief of) vs faith. The very second we can use faith to send a man to the moon, I’ll be very impressed. Or when you measure cosmic radiation with faith… Oh! How about when save lives!
BS! Intellectual dishonesty! I do not believe there is a God just as you do not believe there is a flying spaghetti monster. Do you not understand that? The evidence is parallel. There the exact same amount of evidence for both deities.Even despite the fact that Rainier knows he does not know everything, he still feels confident in making a conclusion – well beyond the sphere of his knowledge, I might add – that God does not exist and even smugly laughs off the possibility as being akin to believing in the flying spaghetti monster because neither proposition has evidence supporting it.
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