Pulled away from RCIA

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Suslar,
Thank you for your response. But we will have to agree to disagree.

Just a thought.
Sounds like a good idea, Fred.

One wonderful priest I know always suggests those of us involved in ministry be sure that we don’t extinguish even the smallest of flames. So to suggest a seeker could “offend” God seems unduly harsh. Can you cite a source for what you think - besides mortal sin - would cause one to “offend” God? I’d be curious as to your understanding on this. Thanks and have a blessed Easter!
 
Sounds like a good idea, Fred.

One wonderful priest I know always suggests those of us involved in ministry be sure that we don’t extinguish even the smallest of flames. So to suggest a seeker could “offend” God seems unduly harsh. Can you cite a source for what you think - besides mortal sin - would cause one to “offend” God? I’d be curious as to your understanding on this. Thanks and have a blessed Easter!
actually, every time we say an act of contrition or the confitier, we repent from offending God. Sin offends God.
 
actually, every time we say an act of contrition or the confitier, we repent from offending God. Sin offends God.
Thank you and yes, I agree and said that in my post. Sin offends God of course.
My point was that Fred said the OP “offended” God by not completing the RCIA program and I call that into question. There is no sin in a seeker continuing to seek or in any person using their Free Will to make a choice to go down one path or the other (assuming neither is inherently evil). God extended an invitation but the OP does not have to accept, nor is it sinful for him to not accept. To say otherwise means that we don’t really have free will . . . .
 
Thank you and yes, I agree and said that in my post. Sin offends God of course.
My point was that Fred said the OP “offended” God by not completing the RCIA program and I call that into question. There is no sin in a seeker continuing to seek or in any person using their Free Will to make a choice to go down one path or the other (assuming neither is inherently evil). God extended an invitation but the OP does not have to accept, nor is it sinful for him to not accept. To say otherwise means that we don’t really have free will . . . .
hmmm, I disagree. You wouldn’t be offended if someone refused a gift you wanted to give them?

I’m not questioning the motives of the OP, or judging his heart. but I suspect he put it that way because to some degree he knows the truth and is perhaps turning away from it rather than still in “seeking mode”.
 
I have been a Catholic all my life, and Jesus has never spoken directly to me, as one speaks with another person. I don’t personally know anyone who says that God has audibly spoken to them, and that includes several priests, two (now deceased) great aunts who were consecrated religious, and several other consecrated religious. If I were to hear such a voice, I would listen very carefully to the content, and then check it out with a priest as soon as possible: The devil has been known to pull such tricks, and sometimes people who have heard what they thought was the voice of God, or of Jesus, engage in the most errant nonsense on the belief that this is what God told them to do. Or I would seek out a competent psychiatrist if I thought God was talking to me personally.

Affectively based faint, or emotionally based faith, is actually the most superficial. I have heard it said that until one goes through a period of dryness in prayer, one really doesn’t understand what prayer is. Our emotions are not under our direct control, but our thoughts and actions are. Persevering in the faith and in prayer when one doesn’t feel anything is actually a great grace, and is a more certain road to salvation than a faith based on our emotion, which can change from minute to minute.

Faith, basically, is an act of the will (so is love, by the way.) You’re married. You didn’t mention how long you’ve been married, but if it’s more than a few years, chances are, the emotional intensity of the honeymoon period has worn off. Does that mean that you love your wife any less? Some people might think that’s the case (recapturing that emotional intensity is a prime reason for the serial divorce-and-remarriage that is so rampant.) But think it through: Your history, your shared experience, your “inside jokes” that no one else would understand, are really evidence of a more mature love.

Perhaps your lack of an emotionally engaged faith is evidence that Christ is indeed calling you: I doubt you would have made four attempts at RCIA if that wasn’t the case. Something–or Some One–keeps making you go back.

You might want to pray what St. Augustine prayed, “Lord, I believe. Help my unbelief.”

These are just a few of my thoughts.
 
I agree with odile53. This is a “faith” issue. You need to learn to live by faith rather than feelings.

The evil one does NOT want you to read this post. He (Satan) will tell you that this post is too long and boring, and urge you to skip it. DON’T LISTEN to the evil one! What I am writing in this post has kept me in Christ for nearly 50 years, my entire life. I testify here that I have never, ever rejected Christ or been “away” from Him since I was 7 years old. I have been mad at His people. In fact, my family was actually kicked out of our Protestant church that we had served faithfully in for decades. This caused me to reject “church” for several years, until I found the Catholic Church. But I have never rejected Jesus because I believe the things that are in my post below. They have been immensely helpful to me, and I hope they will help you and others who read this.

Decades ago, Dr. Bill Bright, a Protestant leader, came up with an analogy that I think is very powerful for daily Christian living.

We can think of our lives as being run by a train. The engine of that train is FACT. It sounds like you are willing to admit that the FACTS about Christianity are true. Jesus is the Son of God Who came to earth as human being to die as the Lamb of God, the Final Sacrifice, so that humans could have their sins forgiven and have the hope of heaven. Jesus established His Church, which came to be known as the Catholic Church, and through the Church, we receive the Sacraments that help us to get to heaven.

Without the engine, a train can’t run. You have to know the facts. That’s the reason you need to get to RCIA, and do everything else possible to learn the FACTS about Jesus.

But…the engine of the train can’t run without the coal car (or in today’s world, the power source). That “coal” or “power” is FAITH. It’s not enough just to accept that the facts are true. You have to have FAITH in the facts. You have to keep the engine running by continuing to shovel coal (or gas, or nuclear energy, or whatever), and in our lives, we have to keep having FAITH.

Finally, there’s the caboose. It’s not necessary to keep the train running. The “caboose” of our lives is FEELINGS. Sometimes, the FAITH that Christians have, and the FACTS that we learn, lead to FEELINGS of joy, ecstasy, excitement, determination, happiness, sadness (over the death of Christ), exhilaration, etc.

But more often than not, Christians feel nothing.

And that’s OK! The feelings are not necessary to keep us on the track to heaven. It doesn’t matter that we don’t “feel” Jesus speaking to us, because He has given us a tangible means of hearing Him speak–through His Word (the Bible) and through His Church (the Catholic Church). We don’t need to hear Him speak directly to us.

It doesn’t matter that we feel nothing during Mass, because we rely on our FAITH in the FACTS–going to Mass and receiving Jesus in Holy Communion will help us to get to heaven.

Occasionally, you will experience “feelings” and they are delightful, and you will wish that you could “feel” this way all the time about God.

But too many Christians rely on these “feelings” as a “monitor” of their Christianity, and when they don’t “feel” anything, they are convinced that they have sinned greatly, or that God has left them for some reason, or that the Church is wrong, or the Bible is wrong. They walk away from Jesus to search for some other “truth,” and they find all kinds of “truths” that give them “good feelings.” But feelings are NOT a monitor for our faith, and feelings can lead us onto the wrong pathway through life, and put us on the road to separation from God and eternal hell.

When I was in the Evangelical Protestant churches, we were taught to avoid feelings, and go for the FACTS and FAITH. This is an extreme approach, but there is a lot of value to making sure that your Christianity is based on FACT and FAITH, not FEELINGS.

When I read your opening post I got the very strong feeling that you have been basing your Christianity on your feelings, and when you don’t “feel” anything, you quit. You have to stop doing this and instead, have FAITH in the FACTS. Jesus is a Real Person, and you can trust Him, even if you don’t see, hear, touch, smell, or FEEL Him. He is Present to the senses in the Eucharist, and He is omnipresent everywhere. Read the 11th Chapter of Hebrews–it is a list of all the people who had FAITH in God, even though they never saw any of the things they had faith in actually happen, and instead, suffered because of their faith.

Again, I hope this analogy of the FACT-FAITH-FEELING train helps you with Christianity! Never give up on Jesus, even if you never ever “feel” Him.
 
Although it certainly could be the Devil, I am curious whether this is typical of/has something to do with your personality. In other words, have you had difficulty making commitments in the past?
 
For you to keep going back to the catholic faith means that god is very much alive in you! 👍

He lives within you and is trying his hardest to keep you.

It is the devil that is pulling you the other way. Don’t give in to him.

Jesus suffered terribly at his passion for us. How long does it take to become a catholic? How much ‘suffering’ is involved? None compared to what Our Lord did for us.

Please, rethink the lessons. Pray for guidance. Have faith in God. I think God is talking to you it’s just you have to ‘tune in’ to the right frequency!

God bless you and I know that you are being called to enter the true faith.
 
=ForeverLost;10554539]I have attempted RCIA 3 times, dropped out each time because something pulls me away, not sure what it is. I still go to the church and sit in silence and pray at the statue of the Virgin Mary, which gives me some comfort. But Christ is nowhere to be seen.
I have tried everything, but I hear nothing from Christ, and I feel nothing. Yet I pray at the statue of the Virgin Mary and I physically feel her.
I am simply giving up on the idea of attempting RCIA a 4th time…I just dont think its my calling…
Why the post…I suppose its a cry for help because I WANT to be catholic…but each time I try I am pulled away, and Christ seems to do nothing to pull me back…
Is their a TABERNACLE in the “church” [usually a Gols "box looking thing with a lit candle by it? IF their is [and sadly in some churched its hidden in a seperate room:(] ; THAT IS JESUS CHRIST IN PERSON in there.😃

I’ve been teaching our Catholic Faith for more than 20 years, including 3 years with RCIA.

Have all 3 attempts been with the same parish and same teachers? That MIGHT be the issue?

Also, RCIA ia NOT always the best palce to get your concerns addressed. Some folks simply don’t kile airing their questions in public. And some times the class time and teachers don’t permit or sufficiently encourage open discussions?

So, here in the “privacy of the entire world:D” BUT hidden and cloaked W/O a name; lets try to address your concerns. One at a time. Where would you like to start?🙂

God Bless and KNOW I and no doubt others ARE anxious to assist you.

pat/PJM here on this FORUM
 
You say you feel close to the Virgin Mary – ask her to bring you closer to her Son. That is what Mary wants to do for ALL of us.
But Christ is calling you and doing something amazing to pill you back - He is giving you His very own Mother! His Beloved Mother always brings hearts back home to Him. It is not possible for any of us to love her more than He loves her. Surely, He sent her to you because you connect with her . . . .and like a good momma, she will never give up on you and will gently lead you to her Son.
This and This absolutely! As you yourself said about Mary;* " I physically feel her." * As Delaine75 and Suslar stated, she always points to her Son. Please don’t abandon RCIA. You’re already a leg up with Mary in your corner! Excellent posts Delaine75 and Suslar! 🙂
 
Is their a TABERNACLE in the “church” [usually a Gols "box looking thing with a lit candle by it? IF their is [and sadly in some churched its hidden in a seperate room:(] ; THAT IS JESUS CHRIST IN PERSON in there.😃

I’ve been teaching our Catholic Faith for more than 20 years, including 3 years with RCIA.

Have all 3 attempts been with the same parish and same teachers? That MIGHT be the issue?

Also, RCIA ia NOT always the best palce to get your concerns addressed. Some folks simply don’t kile airing their questions in public. And some times the class time and teachers don’t permit or sufficiently encourage open discussions?

So, here in the “privacy of the entire world:D” BUT hidden and cloaked W/O a name; lets try to address your concerns. One at a time. Where would you like to start?🙂

God Bless and KNOW I and no doubt others ARE anxious to assist you.

pat/PJM here on this FORUM
This is what I am thinking. Maybe it is the RCIA class. Not that RCIA isn’t good because it is but the Catholic faith is so deep and spiritual and sometimes the RCIA classes can just barely skim the faith and maybe you are having a hard time connecting there or not finding it interesting enough to keep your interest, so you might want to try, as someone else said, adding more to your study, reading the Bible during your time in front of the Blessed Virgin or a catechism, such as a Baltimore catechism book or the Scriptural Catechism book.

I sponsored two people in RCIA, mind you at the same parish, and both thought it just skimmed the faith and didn’t really get into the fullness of it, so both studied more on their own. Of course we should always be studying our faith.

And then I would start praying the rosary and ask Mary to pray for you and lead you to her son and she will.
 
I have returned after taking some reflection days…

I have read all of your comments and I thank you all for talking to me. And for those who have PM’ed me I promise I will reply in the coming days! Thank you!

I admit I was to emotional to go to the Easter Vigil with my wife, to see all those being baptized and confirmed, knowing I had failed again, and having to be in the presence of the resurrected Christ with this on me was to much for me, so i stayed away.

However, I woke today, and prayed. I asked St Francis to intercede (not sure if he will or not as I am not Catholic) He is very special to me, I have a relationship with this Saint that is extremely strong, he somewhat follows me around, in jest of cause the deacon says he is my “Stalker” as he pops up in my life at least once or twice a week - An example of this was about a month ago when I randomly found a St Francis prayer card, this was the same day that I put my rosary in my a draw, and stopped wearing my St Francis medallion. Anyhow, Im off topic, I asked him to give me the strength I need to swallow my pride, and somewhat embarrassment and ask to rejoin RCIA, I also prayed a rosary.

I did/have decided to go back to RCIA and try again, and this time, i refuse to fail. I have been looking to see if there is a Novena I can pray to help keep me going to RCIA?

I hope if it is ok I will still around these forums, I may need to lean on you guys and girls to help keep me on the “straight” path, and not falter…this time.

Thanks you.

Anthony
 
AWESOME!!!
Glad to hear of your decision and your determination!!!

Yes, of course, St. Francis will help you - and he’s a very powerful intercessor! BTW, do you know his conversion story? It may give you hope to look it up and learn about him. It has been said, “There is no Saint without a past, and no sinner without a future” - which means the Saints were like us in many ways including those who needed to be smacked hard with reality before being able to become devoted Christians.

Someone else posted that it may be a good thing to seek RCIA in another parish. Only you can answer if that was the issue. I might suggest you seek a Spiritual Director - someone you can meet with one on one to simple talk about where God is in your life.

Easter blessings!
 
hmmm, I disagree. You wouldn’t be offended if someone refused a gift you wanted to give them?

I’m not questioning the motives of the OP, or judging his heart. but I suspect he put it that way because to some degree he knows the truth and is perhaps turning away from it rather than still in “seeking mode”.
It is not a sin to refuse a gift.
Sometimes, we all need our “ah ha” moment to be able to come back . . . like the prodigal child
 
It is not a sin to refuse a gift.
Sometimes, we all need our “ah ha” moment to be able to come back . . . like the prodigal child
I didn’t say it was a sin.

You were questioning the wording of “offending” God.
 
I think you need to show some dedication and discipline. You mentioned that the first time you dropped bc you were watching sports. I think you really need to have the discipline and tough it out. God is giving you the opportunity, what happens if tomorrow god forbid sometime horrible happens to you and you cannot attend rcia.

Don’t be like the story were the man was on his roof after a flooding and he was saying God will save me. After he said that a man in a big truck offered to help him, the man said oh no God will save me. After that the water kept rising some a team in a small boat went to him and told him come on well save you. He said no god will. A day passed and the coast guard in helicopter went in with a helicopter and told him come on sir lets go. He replied no god will save me. The waters drowned him. When he went to god he told god why didn’t you save me, god replied the 3 cases that was me helping you. Don’t allow that to be your case.
 
I didn’t say it was a sin.

You were questioning the wording of “offending” God.
Of course, you didn’t say that. Please pardon my error. I was confused when you posted “sin offends God” and then asked if I’d be offended if someone refused a gift – as if God would respond the way I would? :confused:

I don’t have any questions about "offending’ God. To clarify, it is sin that offends God (as we both said in earlier posts), not the exercise of free will.
 
(Did you folks miss the part where the OP said he’d decided to go back to RCIA and stick it out this time? Or are you more interested in pursuing your off-topic argument?)

Excellent decision! I have FAITH that you will make it this time. Saint Francis…keep him close and ask for his help, indeed!
 
I have returned after taking some reflection days…

I have read all of your comments and I thank you all for talking to me. And for those who have PM’ed me I promise I will reply in the coming days! Thank you!

I admit I was to emotional to go to the Easter Vigil with my wife, to see all those being baptized and confirmed, knowing I had failed again, and having to be in the presence of the resurrected Christ with this on me was to much for me, so i stayed away.

However, I woke today, and prayed. I asked St Francis to intercede (not sure if he will or not as I am not Catholic) He is very special to me, I have a relationship with this Saint that is extremely strong, he somewhat follows me around, in jest of cause the deacon says he is my “Stalker” as he pops up in my life at least once or twice a week - An example of this was about a month ago when I randomly found a St Francis prayer card, this was the same day that I put my rosary in my a draw, and stopped wearing my St Francis medallion. Anyhow, Im off topic, I asked him to give me the strength I need to swallow my pride, and somewhat embarrassment and ask to rejoin RCIA, I also prayed a rosary.

I did/have decided to go back to RCIA and try again, and this time, i refuse to fail. I have been looking to see if there is a Novena I can pray to help keep me going to RCIA?

I hope if it is ok I will still around these forums, I may need to lean on you guys and girls to help keep me on the “straight” path, and not falter…this time.

Thanks you.

Anthony
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What a beautiful grace on this incredibly grace-filled Easter -- and one linked to St. Francis who just happened ;) to inspire Jorge Mario Cardinal Bergoglio to take his name on elevation to the Holy See. :D
So St. Francis has been very very busy the last two and a half weeks!!
 
I have returned after taking some reflection days…

I have read all of your comments and I thank you all for talking to me. And for those who have PM’ed me I promise I will reply in the coming days! Thank you!

I admit I was to emotional to go to the Easter Vigil with my wife, to see all those being baptized and confirmed, knowing I had failed again, and having to be in the presence of the resurrected Christ with this on me was to much for me, so i stayed away.

However, I woke today, and prayed. I asked St Francis to intercede (not sure if he will or not as I am not Catholic) He is very special to me, I have a relationship with this Saint that is extremely strong, he somewhat follows me around, in jest of cause the deacon says he is my “Stalker” as he pops up in my life at least once or twice a week - An example of this was about a month ago when I randomly found a St Francis prayer card, this was the same day that I put my rosary in my a draw, and stopped wearing my St Francis medallion. Anyhow, Im off topic, I asked him to give me the strength I need to swallow my pride, and somewhat embarrassment and ask to rejoin RCIA, I also prayed a rosary.

I did/have decided to go back to RCIA and try again, and this time, i refuse to fail. I have been looking to see if there is a Novena I can pray to help keep me going to RCIA?

I hope if it is ok I will still around these forums, I may need to lean on you guys and girls to help keep me on the “straight” path, and not falter…this time.

Thanks you.

Anthony
Oh good.

Also, St. Francis was very instrumental in bringing me and my family home to the church.
I think it was after I read his biography and then began to pray this prayer every night to help clear my confusion and wandering looking for the truth.

St. Francis’ Prayer Before the Crucifix

Most High
glorious God,
enlighten the darkness
of my heart.
Give me
right faith,
sure hope
and perfect charity.
Fill me with understanding
and knowledge
that I may fulfill
your command

God bless.
 
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