Punishment Aceh style

[gracepoole]

Honestly CAF just gets worse and worse. This place is becoming total trash. The mods need to do a clean up if they don’t want it to be left for the nutjobs.

I have little to no faith that will happen. Sadly.

 

[on_the_hill]

You know, I get pretty ticked off at liberal Catholics who say we could have women priests, that abortion could be okay, that gay marriage could be okay. I even get annoyed by some of Pope Francis’ statements directed at traditionalists and that seem to give fuel to such liberals.

And then I come across a thread like this, and I give glory to God we have a Pope like Francis. Who am I to judge, indeed.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Homosexual acts used to be illegal in Catholic countries as well as in the United States, but we’re so much more enlightened about such things now days.

In Catholic counties was the penalty torture?

 

[StudentMI]

Honestly CAF just gets worse and worse. This place is becoming total trash. The mods need to do a clean up if they don’t want it to be left for the nutjobs.

Along with gracepoole, I have no faith this will happen.

It’s funny because when I joined a few years ago, when I was confirmed, there was more regulation on posts. Extreme homophobes were banned, Brother JR was quick to correct people on misunderstandings. I began to miss it, and I come back a few days ago and this kind of filth shows up. Granted we have Don Ruggero and (name removed by moderator) handing out corrections like it’s nobody’s business, but I think even they can’t keep up with the stream of bile flowing from this forum. It’s sad.

Do we have a lifeboat? Maybe a Rational Catholics and Friends forum?

 

[Luke6_37]

Is God cruel? Because prohibitions against homosexual activity in Judaism, Christianity and Islam all originate with God.

I would say rather that God is just, but never cruel.

Christianity is different from Judaism and Islam in that there is no penal code in the New Covenant. When Jesus refused to stone the woman caught in adultery, he put an end to that sort of thing.

 

[starshiptrooper]

You get your political beliefs from science fiction? Seems pretty dorky…

Thank you for providing us with an example of the genetic fallacy.

How do you feel about the particular punishment being discussed here?

I already posted my position earlier in the thread. You must have missed it when you were being needlessly rude.

 

[Faithdancer]

All of the Christians persecuted by the Soviet Union, the PRC, Boko Haram and ISIS took a risk in choosing to continue practicing their religion and refusing to reject religion or convert to Islam.

They were persecuted and in some cases martyred for their faith, yes. Faith in Jesus Christ.

No correlation with homosexuals being caught engaged in sodomy.
But I wouldn’t expect an unbeliever to understand that profound difference. I’d say " not your fault," but then there’s John 1, and Romans 1.

 

[StudentMI]

They were persecuted and in some cases martyred for their faith, yes. Faith in Jesus Christ.

No correlation with homosexuals being caught engaged in sodomy.
But I wouldn’t expect an unbeliever to understand that profound difference.

So how do you feel about the Catechisms section on homosexuality? Or Pope Francis’ comments? Or the church saying criminal offenses against homosexual acts aren’t good? Or Pope Francis meeting and hugging a gay man and his partners?

 

[gracepoole]

But I wouldn’t expect an unbeliever to understand that profound difference. I’d say " not your fault," but then there’s John 1, and Romans 1.

That can’t be right: you’re so vigilant about ad hominem attacks. You couldn’t have just employed one yourself…

 

[StudentMI]

That can’t be right: you’re so vigilant about ad hominem attacks. You couldn’t have just employed one yourself…

He clearly doesn’t know what an ad hominem is. He accused the use of it when the question was simply asking for an opinion.

 

[Faithdancer]

That can’t be right: you’re so vigilant about ad hominem attacks. You couldn’t have just employed one yourself…

I simply reference Holy Scripture. Do you disagree with John and Paul, both of whom write that there is no excuse not to believe in God?
And the further point is, unbelievers, since they don’t believe in God, don’t believe in divine justice either.I didn’t say I wasn’t sympathetic. All unbelievers need our prayers.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Enlightened to the point of glorification, yes. And I believe this incident is only receiving wide news coverage because homosexuality is a darling of the media.

I read today of a woman facing lashing for showing physical affection to a man without being married.

 

[Faithdancer]

I read today of a woman facing lashing for showing physical affection to a man without being married.

I trust the media will be equally outraged over this case.

 

[StudentMI]

So how do you feel about the Catechisms section on homosexuality? Or Pope Francis’ comments? Or the church saying criminal offenses against homosexual acts aren’t good? Or Pope Francis meeting and hugging a gay man and his partners?

Still waiting for an answer…

 

[gracepoole]

I simply reference Holy Scripture.

Untrue. You also wrote, “But I wouldn’t expect an unbeliever to understand that profound difference.”

Do you disagree with John and Paul, both of whom write that there is no excuse not to believe in God?
And the further point is, unbelievers, since they don’t believe in God, don’t believe in divine justice either.I didn’t say I wasn’t sympathetic. All unbelievers need our prayers.

What does this have to do with the legitimacy of caning homosexuals?

 

[Faithdancer]

So how do you feel about the Catechisms section on homosexuality? Or Pope Francis’ comments? Or the church saying criminal offenses against homosexual acts aren’t good? Or Pope Francis meeting and hugging a gay man and his partners?

I’m not bound to either the Catechism or Pope Francis’ statements and actions. Respect both? Certainly. But not bound to total agreement.
As far as " criminal offense," if I’m understanding you right, you’d have to prove criminality on the part of a sovereign nation’s state government. I think that’s some major jurisprudence. Though you can certainly believe their government is criminal, if you like, because they corporally punish sodomy.

 

[chloride]

But I wouldn’t expect an unbeliever to understand that profound difference. I’d say " not your fault," but then there’s John 1, and Romans 1.

That’s a pretty acidic thing to say, even on this subforum.

 

[StudentMI]

I’m not bound to either the Catechism or Pope Francis’ statements and actions. Respect both? Certainly. But not bound to total agreement.
As far as " criminal offense," if I’m understanding you right, you’d have to prove criminality on the part of a sovereign nation’s state government. I think that’s some major jurisprudence. Though you can certainly believe their government is criminal, if you like, because they corporally punish sodomy.

The Catechism is the main reference of the Church aside from Canon Law. You’re just pushing it aside and saying ‘I have my own opinion?’

Do you understand the nature of hierarchy?

 

[Faithdancer]

Untrue. You also wrote, “But I wouldn’t expect an unbeliever to understand that profound difference.”

What does this have to do with the legitimacy of caning homosexuals?

It is a Sharia law state. Their legal code apparently provides for corporal punishment for those found guilty of homosexual activity.
And here’s a thought: if they cane-ees restrained themselves from said activity, or perhaps moved (there’s a thought!) they wouldn’t have gotten caned.

 

[StudentMI]

It is a Sharia law state. Their legal code apparently provides for corporal punishment for those found guilty of homosexual activity.
And here’s a thought: if they cane-ees restrained themselves from said activity, or perhaps moved (there’s a thought!) they wouldn’t have gotten caned.

And Muslims who convert to Christianity wouldn’t be executed in a Sharia state if they just kept their beliefs private.