Punishments for Sodomy?

[mackbrislawn]

No, gays are not asking for “privileges”. Asking for privileges would be something like asking to not pay taxes ---- you know, like CHURCHES…

There was a time when gays didn’t have the right to do their stuff. There were laws against it. With the repeal of those laws, now they have gay rights. So what else then are they asking for?

 

[openmind77]

There was a time when gays didn’t have the right to do their stuff. There were laws against it. With the repeal of those laws, now they have gay rights. So what else then are they asking for?

I think they are just asking to be treated like regular people, if that is OK with you.

 

[mackbrislawn]

I think they are just asking to be treated like regular people, if that is OK with you.

Then they should be regular people.

 

[openmind77]

Then they should be regular people.

Are you saying that if non-white people want to be treated the same as white people, they should become white?

Or if people with physical disabilities (like blindness) want to be treated like normal people they should somehow get rid of their disability (like get some eyes)?

 

[mackbrislawn]

I think they are just asking to be treated like regular people, if that is OK with you.

It’s fine with me. But by the way your statement is phrased, it makes it sound like they are not regular people. Must be a Freudian slip.

 

[at9009]

It’s fine with me. But by the way your statement is phrased, it makes it sound like they are not regular people. Must be a Freudian slip.

I think the way they meant for it to be read, was regardless of one’s view, they would like to be treated just like regular people. So, it doesn’t quite mean they would view themselves as not regular people.

 

[nqes7t9]

When I confess a sin, I get a penance. I think that’s sort of a punishment. usually it’s “one Our Father”. It’s a pretty nice punishment, really. Not imprisonment at all.

Go to confession! Pray! Fast!

 

[at9009]

When I confess a sin, I get a penance. I think that’s sort of a punishment. usually it’s “one Our Father”. It’s a pretty nice punishment, really. Not imprisonment at all.

Go to confession! Pray! Fast!

But there is a huge difference between a penance and having government mandated punishment for sexual sins. But confession is an awesome sacrament and essential for us.

 

[mackbrislawn]

I think the way they meant for it to be read, was regardless of one’s view, they would like to be treated just like regular people. So, it doesn’t quite mean they would view themselves as not regular people.

You mean to say they aren’t regular people?

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

We would not need the government to punish people for a lack of good morality or ethics if they simply spent their time promoting these same things. Society often follows where their leaders lead.

However, even that is not acceptable to many folks. A President promotes prayer, stable homes, or strong marriages and is called “offensive.” A President cheats on his wife in the White House, and people titter about his misbehavior, so long as their is a tech boom shortly thereafter.

If the White House promoted the historical and Judeo-Christian worldview of marriage, they’d be called bigoted, or folks would utter cries about the Church and State. But by all means, throw up rainbow lights on the White House to show what you pretend to believe in now, Mr. President.

 

[nqes7t9]

Ai, didn’t the Lord say to pay no attention to the world, or something like that? “When you hear of wars and insurrections, do not be alarmed?”

 

[mikekle]

You mean to say they aren’t regular people?

I think the poster was trying to say, while they are ‘regular’ people, just like anyone us, but their views and choices are disordered (not natural).

God created man and woman to be together, no other combination can result in offspring, I think that alone says a great deal. The bible is consistent with the fact that engaging in homosexual behavior is wrong and an abomination to God, trying to persuade others that it is not and their sinful ways should be accepted by everyone, is extremely wrong.

This is really just part of a larger deception, we are slowly and methodically being led away from the truth and Gods law, deception is not going to come in easy to recognize ways, its going to be ‘grey’ issues, like this, just look at all the controversy this has caused in the christian world alone, can you imagine what it would be like if a stronger/larger deception came along?!!

Thats what happening now, we are prepped for deceptions to come, stronger deceptions, if we are already on the wrong path so to speak, it will that much harder for us to recognize more important, far reaching deceptions when they come.

 

[at9009]

You mean to say they aren’t regular people?

No, what I think they meant and what I was trying to say is that even if some other people view a same sex attracted/LGBT as ‘not normal,’ they still want to be treated as normal. It can be really frustrating to be constantly viewed as an ‘other’ regardless of one’s personal actions or choices. Does that make sense? It’s sometimes hard to convey one’s message on an online forum.

 

[openmind77]

I think the poster was trying to say, while they are ‘regular’ people, just like anyone us, but their views and choices are disordered (not natural).

God created man and woman to be together, no other combination can result in offspring, I think that alone says a great deal. The bible is consistent with the fact that engaging in homosexual behavior is wrong and an abomination to God, trying to persuade others that it is not and their sinful ways should be accepted by everyone, is extremely wrong.

This is really just part of a larger deception, we are slowly and methodically being led away from the truth and Gods law, deception is not going to come in easy to recognize ways, its going to be ‘grey’ issues, like this, just look at all the controversy this has caused in the christian world alone, can you imagine what it would be like if a stronger/larger deception came along?!!

Thats what happening now, we are prepped for deceptions to come, stronger deceptions, if we are already on the wrong path so to speak, it will that much harder for us to recognize more important, far reaching deceptions when they come.

Are you saying that Cardinal Marx and Pope Francis have been deceived into saying that Christians should apologize to gays for helping to marginalize them?

 

[estesbob]

Are you saying that Cardinal Marx and Pope Francis have been deceived into saying that Christians should apologize to gays for helping to marginalize them?

Who am I supposed to apologize to and for what do i need to apologize for?

 

[openmind77]

Who am I supposed to apologize to and for what do i need to apologize for?

I assume that if you personally have not discriminated against or helped marginalize anyone from the LGBT community then you do not have to apologize to anyone.

 

[Lou2U]

Why do you “move away from the physical aspects of our body”? It is this which suggests that heterosexuality is the “normal” state, and homosexuality a consequence of some other factor(s). It would seem odd if sexual orientation were an entirely independent “overlay”. That’s why I see no basis to believe a therapy (if one exists) would be equally effective in either direction.

I’ve said essentially that. There are treatments - but to my knowledge, they are not widely accepted nor widely held to be effective.

Just didn’t fit with my point, that’s all. I doubt therapy would ever be able to change someone’s sexual orientation.

Lou

 

[mackbrislawn]

No, what I think they meant and what I was trying to say is that even if some other people view a same sex attracted/LGBT as ‘not normal,’ they still want to be treated as normal. It can be really frustrating to be constantly viewed as an ‘other’ regardless of one’s personal actions or choices. Does that make sense? It’s sometimes hard to convey one’s message on an online forum.

Sure it makes sense.

I felt the poster was trying to get at me as if I thought gays were not regular. I wanted to turn the tables, by showing that the way the poster phrased the statement, “They want to be treated like regular people” carries the hidden, or unspoken, premise “even though they are not regular people.” A Freudian slip on the posters part? That is, does the poster her/himself think of gays as not regular or normal?

Perhaps a better, more neutral, way of saying it would be, “gays want to be treated like everyone else.”

Do gays think of themselves as regular? The gay friends I have had seem to be much more aware of their sexuality than heterosexuals; more on their minds. Which makes sense, if they way you feel is different and not accepted by the mainstream.

 

[at9009]

Sure it makes sense.

I felt the poster was trying to get at me as if I thought gays were not regular. I wanted to turn the tables, by showing that the way the poster phrased the statement, “They want to be treated like regular people” carries the hidden, or unspoken, premise “even though they are not regular people.” A Freudian slip on the posters part? That is, does the poster her/himself think of gays as not regular or normal?

Perhaps a better, more neutral, way of saying it would be, “gays want to be treated like everyone else.”

Do gays think of themselves as regular? The gay friends I have had seem to be much more aware of their sexuality than heterosexuals; more on their minds. Which makes sense, if they way you feel is different and not accepted by the mainstream.

Well, I’m a gay/ssa celibate Catholic guy (which does make me a kind of odd ball). I don’t know what qualifies as ‘regular’ but being treating as normal rather than ‘other’ would be a fresh change.

 

[Trident_H]

Who am I supposed to apologize to and for what do i need to apologize for?

Exactly.