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terrilee23
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T.A.Stobie:
I agree with this but I think it is God who will cleanse us.
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pangit
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hi, im new, Im just simple Catholic, I just want to share my ideas too, even if I cannot express it in English correctly.
I believe the term Purgatory cannot be found in the bible but the concept is in the bible, thesame as the word bible cannot be found in the bible but the concept is there, it is only the Catholic Church which is the pillar and the foundation of truth ( 1 Tim 3:15 )and guided by the Holy Spirit the protector of truth that Terms it.
Spritual things are not bound by space and time because it is other dimension,( if im wrong i offer the correction to the church),
for me Purgatory is a State wherein a person before he can enter heaven, be purified from his sins–like gold purified by fire.
as Jesus said Mat 12:32 " Those who speak against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but those who speak against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven in this world, nor on the other world."
and so there is other world or state wherein a sin can be forgiven, and I believe that is not heaven coz its place where all saints are already forgiven, and it is not also hell because in hell people cannot be forgiven, thats why we term it prugatory, others may call it by other name and believe in its existence.
I believe the term Purgatory cannot be found in the bible but the concept is in the bible, thesame as the word bible cannot be found in the bible but the concept is there, it is only the Catholic Church which is the pillar and the foundation of truth ( 1 Tim 3:15 )and guided by the Holy Spirit the protector of truth that Terms it.
Spritual things are not bound by space and time because it is other dimension,( if im wrong i offer the correction to the church),
for me Purgatory is a State wherein a person before he can enter heaven, be purified from his sins–like gold purified by fire.
as Jesus said Mat 12:32 " Those who speak against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but those who speak against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven in this world, nor on the other world."
and so there is other world or state wherein a sin can be forgiven, and I believe that is not heaven coz its place where all saints are already forgiven, and it is not also hell because in hell people cannot be forgiven, thats why we term it prugatory, others may call it by other name and believe in its existence.
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Donna_P
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Purgatory is a cleansing of the soul from sins and their temporal punishments. It makes us Saints so that we may be in Heaven with our Holy Father and worthy of being in His Presence.
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kaycee
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The Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “In the final analysis the Catholic doctrine of **purgatory is based on tradition not Sacred Scripture.” **
For at least the first two centuries there was no mention of purgatory in the Church. In all the writings of the Apostolic Fathers, Irenaeus and Justin Martyr there is not the slightest allusion to the idea of purgatory.
Praying for the dead was becoming a common practice by the beginning of the third century but it does not, in itself, prove that the early Church believed in the existence of a purgatory. The written prayers which have survived, and the evidence from the catacombs and burial inscriptions indicate that the early Church viewed deceased Christians as residing in peace and happiness and the prayers offered were for them to have a greater experience of these. As early as Tertullian, in the late second and beginning of the third century, these prayers often use the Latin term refrigerium as a request of God on behalf of departed Christians, a term which means ‘refreshment’ or ‘to refresh’ and came to embody the concept of heavenly happiness. So the fact that the early Church prayed for the dead does not support the teaching of purgatory for the nature of the prayers themselves indicate the Church did not view the dead as residing in a place of suffering.
For at least the first two centuries there was no mention of purgatory in the Church. In all the writings of the Apostolic Fathers, Irenaeus and Justin Martyr there is not the slightest allusion to the idea of purgatory.
Praying for the dead was becoming a common practice by the beginning of the third century but it does not, in itself, prove that the early Church believed in the existence of a purgatory. The written prayers which have survived, and the evidence from the catacombs and burial inscriptions indicate that the early Church viewed deceased Christians as residing in peace and happiness and the prayers offered were for them to have a greater experience of these. As early as Tertullian, in the late second and beginning of the third century, these prayers often use the Latin term refrigerium as a request of God on behalf of departed Christians, a term which means ‘refreshment’ or ‘to refresh’ and came to embody the concept of heavenly happiness. So the fact that the early Church prayed for the dead does not support the teaching of purgatory for the nature of the prayers themselves indicate the Church did not view the dead as residing in a place of suffering.
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Sarah_Jane
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Which Catholic Encyclopedia?
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Wildgraywolf
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When does it happen? When do we become “clean” enough to enter heaven? It’s gotta happen at some point between death and the “Pearly Gates”, Correct? Don’t we have to be living entirely sinless lives now?
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Genesis315
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I think Purgatory is firey, as it burns away our imperfections.
I like to think of this fire as the same fire that somes out of Jesus’ Sacred Heart. It’s by the burning love that we are purified:thumbsup:
http://members.core.com/~orcat27/images/shclose.jpg
I like to think of this fire as the same fire that somes out of Jesus’ Sacred Heart. It’s by the burning love that we are purified:thumbsup:
http://members.core.com/~orcat27/images/shclose.jpg
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system
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I am just curious as to how we can have a website full of catholics and we all seem to have different “opinions”. I know that there is an objective truth, so why don’t we just accept the church’s teachings?
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deb1
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I am in RCIA so my views might be all wrong. I view purgatory as a place but I am uncertain about the fires, so I chose other.
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wcknight
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Even Jesus says the just man sins 70 times per day. While it may be nearly impossible to lead a sinless life, confession, the Eucharist, masses, saying the Rosary, and other acts of mercy or charity can get for us, partial and plenary indulgences thatcan mitigate and minimize and even totally wipe out our time in purgatory.
The Church has provided many ways to help us. It is up to us and our loved ones to take advantage of them. That’s why it is so important to pray for the souls in Purgatory. When our time comes, that can aid us also to if we have to spend any time in Purgatory.
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wcknight
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There is a book by Sister Emmanuel of Medjugore, who interviews a lady who is visited by souls in Purgatory. I think it is called Amazing mysteries of Purgatory.
The lady at the time was 82 years old (book was published in mid 1990’s) and like several of the saints, like St John Bosco, the Cure of Ars and a few others, this lady was asked on many occasions to help specific souls in Purgatory. They told her about various means to minimize their time, for some it was as simple as having a few masses said for them. AND they told her about what helps and what ways to avoid Purgatory.
Some of the things are very simple, just offering up your struggles or pain or suffering now can mitigate time for yourself or for a loved one. It is through Mary as the dispenser of all graces that their times may be reduced or eliminated.
The book does not have an official Church approval listed but I found it to be quite interesting.
The lady at the time was 82 years old (book was published in mid 1990’s) and like several of the saints, like St John Bosco, the Cure of Ars and a few others, this lady was asked on many occasions to help specific souls in Purgatory. They told her about various means to minimize their time, for some it was as simple as having a few masses said for them. AND they told her about what helps and what ways to avoid Purgatory.
Some of the things are very simple, just offering up your struggles or pain or suffering now can mitigate time for yourself or for a loved one. It is through Mary as the dispenser of all graces that their times may be reduced or eliminated.
The book does not have an official Church approval listed but I found it to be quite interesting.
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herry
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My Friends,
“For He hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him” --2 Cor. 5:21
“Surely he hath born our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted . But He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastenment of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed” --Isaiah 53:4-5
Paul tells us in Romans that when we are born again in Christ, we are a new creature, not under sin, but under grace. When we are born again in Christ, we become the righteousness of God just like Christ is. Whereas before, we were born sinners through the seed of adam.
“There is therefore now, no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit…for what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh (we could not keep it), God sending his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh” --Romans 8:1, 3
The idea that we can go to a place of purgation under a medium low flame and eventually pay for our own sins by our suffering, and the sacrifices made by those on earth is completely foreign to Christianity. The Bible clearly tells us that when we receive Christ, our sins past, present, and future are forgiven (Heb. 10:16-17). If we do sin we confess directly to God (Psalm 32:5, Daniel 9:4), through Christ our only mediator (Hebrews 8:1-13, 1 Tim 2:5) and the answer to us is “Where are thine accusers”?
“For by one sacrifice, he hath perfected for ever, them which are sanctified” --Heb. 10:14
Case in point: Purgatory does not exist.
Respectfully yours,
Herry
“For He hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him” --2 Cor. 5:21
“Surely he hath born our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted . But He was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastenment of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed” --Isaiah 53:4-5
Paul tells us in Romans that when we are born again in Christ, we are a new creature, not under sin, but under grace. When we are born again in Christ, we become the righteousness of God just like Christ is. Whereas before, we were born sinners through the seed of adam.
“There is therefore now, no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit…for what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh (we could not keep it), God sending his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh” --Romans 8:1, 3
The idea that we can go to a place of purgation under a medium low flame and eventually pay for our own sins by our suffering, and the sacrifices made by those on earth is completely foreign to Christianity. The Bible clearly tells us that when we receive Christ, our sins past, present, and future are forgiven (Heb. 10:16-17). If we do sin we confess directly to God (Psalm 32:5, Daniel 9:4), through Christ our only mediator (Hebrews 8:1-13, 1 Tim 2:5) and the answer to us is “Where are thine accusers”?
“For by one sacrifice, he hath perfected for ever, them which are sanctified” --Heb. 10:14
Case in point: Purgatory does not exist.
Respectfully yours,
Herry
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Genesis315
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Here’s some evidence which shows it does. The idea that there is no Purgatory is a tradition of men invented by Martin Luther when he got carried away rightly protesting the abuse of indulgences.
scripturecatholic.com/purgatory.html
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ncjohn
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I look at it as the process of coming into perfect love of God after death. I definitely don’t see it as a place, and tend not to see it involving time in our understanding of time since I think we’re into eternal time after death. I also don’t really think of it as a torment type of process, although I wouldn’t rule that out as it might take some type of pain in the purification to get through my thick skull. 
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