I wonder if a Jew would agree with you. I certainly don’t. The life of a Jew proclaims faith. It was more than an identification. It was the sign of the covenant between them and God. Abraham is a man of faith. He acted in faith when he was circumcised. His descendants acted in faith when they circumcised. Circumcision is an act of faith.
Not at all. It is you my friend who continues to say that. But not me, and not the bible and not Catholic teaching. But here is what Catholic teaching is.
The bible states clearly that in order to be saved you must be born again.
John 3:3-8 Jesus says one must be born again of the water and the spirit. After Jesus talks to Nicodemus what does the bible say Jesus did? He and his disciples went into the land and baptized. So it is through Baptism that one is born again not by accepting Jesus in your heart, at least not according to the bible.
Now being Catholics we know that Salvation is an on going process. Opened up to us by the death of Jesus on the cross. It is only the beginning of salvation. There are other things that must happen through ones life.
Rom. One must have faith
Matt one must forgive others to be forgiven
Matt one must keep the commandments
John One must take the Eucharist
John one must labor for the food which one endures to eternal life
Rom One must seek for glory and for honor and immortality
James one must do good works. and on and on and on.
So there is no way that Baptism is the only thing necessary for Salvation. It is the start of a life long process.
I have told you a least a thousand times that Baptism is what wipes away original sin once and or all, but you refuse to accept this teaching. Baptism is what seals our hearts with Christ and enters into our hearts and soul the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. THen the Holy Spirit can begin to work in us, to give us the Grace from God to even attempt Salvation.
I never said Baptism seals Salvation. I said Baptism saves you. Salvation is a process that BEGINS with Baptism not ENDS with it.
Now can you show me where in the bible that it is said that this process must all happen at Baptism? Because if you are correct then one should not be Baptized until ones death right? Because I cannot see how one can keep all the commandments, do the will of God, do good works and have all of these things completed at the time of Baptism the way you are seeing it?And I see no scriptures that in no way saying what you are trying so hard to make them say?
very good I believe it should be repeated so I am quoting it and printing it out. I hope you don’t mind but I added the red part.[SIGN]Good Job[/SIGN]I know. I am sure they feel the same about our position.
Don’t mind at all Love!
You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.' 22: But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, You fool!’ shall be liable to the hell of fire. 23: So if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24: leave your gift there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25: Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; 26: truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny. 27: "You have heard that it was said, `You shall not commit adultery.’ 28: But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29: If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30: And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hellHave you sent this to tweetmom,I have sent it to her 3 times and she still does not understand and I have sent the Bible verses also,its like kicking a dead horseDon’t mind at all Love!
It is sad but she spent time in a narrow bible study which did not teach her how to read the bible. It taught ideology not bible truth. It is impossible for her to acknowledge that she is ignorant of the bible. Hence, she does not recognize scripture. Often denying what scripture says because she doesn’t realize that we are quoting scripture. She rarely if ever contributes to an understanding on a thread. Instead, she makes short snipes without any substantiation. Prayers for her is the only answer. Hopefully, the grace of God will soften the harden heart. It would be best just to ignore her.:sad_yes:
Thank You rinnie and right back at you,God bless You
The problem with the Catholic concept of infant baptism is, well, even the Catholics recognize that baptism isn’t needed. So if for one reason or another some faith says, I can show in the Bible where baptism is meant to be a public profession and therefore, someone who has the ability to choose (and have a faith like a child) then they should choose to be baptized.
Thank You and may you and the others here have a Blessed Easter also.
I am not sure what you are saying Remember this person is not a catholic
Are you saying that Catholics believe that baptism isn’t needed..
If so, that is not what Catholics believe. Catholics believe that you must be baptized. That means any human. It is why the speculation of limbo came about.
Tha nk you very much for putting me down, I understand more than you will ever begin to understand. I know scripture just deny your interpertation.
Thank you Bill. Was he saying what he believe then?
I am trying to understand your message.I certainally understand scripture more than you just do not agree with your interpertation
May I ask where you learned scripture? You certainly don’t understand even the Protestant version of it.
Its Jesus Christ who you have deny not the interpretation