Purgatory

I don't u/stand this sentence
Her unfaithful husband shot himself in the brainstem in front of their dog. The lady eventually had to have surgery on her female parts because her late husband had given her VD. She began hemorrhaging after the surgery, and bled out so much she had a temporary death experience.
 
well, it isn't really silly. I still have a fear of going to Hell, not because I'm in mortal sin bc I gave that up many many years ago, but just bc Jesus said that Few find the narrow way. . and that many will attempt to enter Heaven but will not be able to. I still feel guilt about past sins, even though I've confessed them and expiated them to some extent. Plus, the Accuser of the Brethren is always there making sure you remember all your sins... Dirtbag! As they say, when he reminds you of your past, you can remind him of his future. In Revelation it says that eventually Satan and the demons will be tormented just like the ones they helped to damn. . and for equally as long a time.
We have a "sure hope" of eternal salvation (Hebrews 6:19). And, it is good to remember that hope builds on faith. Yet, both fall sort of love, which is the greatest of the virtues (1 Corinthians 13:13). So, work on love, go to adoration, bear charitable witness to others, keep up on your Sacraments and there is nothing to worry about. Hope. It is a wonderful thing and hope does not disappoint (Romans 5:3-5).
 
As I noted above, the scientific consensus is that the sun will last a whole lot longer than 10,000 years.
God's problem, not mine. We just pray for the Poor Souls in Purgatory/Restoration, and let God worry about the rest.

The angels told the lady in question that her late husband would be in Restoration for 10k earth years.
 
OK, so I guess we should call us "Restoratory" (sigh)
Although "restoration" implies that, at some point in his life, he was perfect. In a state of grace, perhaps, but perfect? Hmmm.
 
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We have a "sure hope" of eternal salvation (Hebrews 6:19). And, it is good to remember that hope builds on faith. Yet, both fall sort of love, which is the greatest of the virtues (1 Corinthians 13:13). So, work on love, go to adoration, bear charitable witness to others, keep up on your Sacraments and there is nothing to worry about. Hope. It is a wonderful thing and hope does not disappoint (Romans 5:3-5).
I do those things, except that I have been discouraged from going to Adoration. There are infiltrators in the Church and they don't like traditional Catholics, have their ways of pushing them away... long story..
 
Her unfaithful husband shot himself in the brainstem in front of their dog. The lady eventually had to have surgery on her female parts because her late husband had given her VD. She began hemorrhaging after the surgery, and bled out so much she had a temporary death experience.
Thanks for explaining.. I think.

weird stuff going on in the world. People need Jesus but he is being kept away from us. As I just now said in another post, I myself feel I'm being run out of the novus ordo church because I am a traditionalist. The infiltrators of the Church run the thing.. no point in trying to ignore that fact. And they play favorites w/ the Church-goers. I am not one of them. I'm praying about this but I am very discouraged.
 
Thanks for explaining.. I think.

weird stuff going on in the world. People need Jesus but he is being kept away from us. As I just now said in another post, I myself feel I'm being run out of the novus ordo church because I am a traditionalist. The infiltrators of the Church run the thing.. no point in trying to ignore that fact. And they play favorites w/ the Church-goers. I am not one of them. I'm praying about this but I am very discouraged.

Seek out a traditional Catholic priest and tell him everything you've told us here. And attend the Traditional Latin Mass if you can.
 
I do those things, except that I have been discouraged from going to Adoration. There are infiltrators in the Church and they don't like traditional Catholics, have their ways of pushing them away... long story..
There is only Catholic.
 
There is only Catholic.
My reality says otherwise. Jesus said that few find the Narrow Way. Most people live for this world, getting comfortable in it-- and to get comfortable in it, you have to make compromises (to the Faith).. over and over and over.. So I am not surprised that even most "catholics" don't make it, as Jesus implies (and the saints confirm).

There is a passage in the Bible about people trying to get into Heaven after "the master" has shut the door on them. They say Let us in... We ate and drank IN YOUR PRESENCE [emphasis added], and You taught in our streets."

Those are things JESUS did. What's the great accomplishment of being in the Real Presence, if you leave there and do not OBEY Jesus's every word?

If you think there are no Catholics in Hell.... not so
 
Seek out a traditional Catholic priest and tell him everything you've told us here. And attend the Traditional Latin Mass if you can.
yeh, if I can. Well, I will try again but so far, things are not so great bc of my location. Also, I have issues about driving a long way but again, I will check into the possibility AGAIN. The thing is, I am being persecuted by fake Catholic people... it's a long, weird story and you likely would not believe me if I told you the details, but in any case, EVERY 'branch' of the Church has been infested w/ fake Catholics who pretend to be such so that they can.. what else? Destroy Christ's True Religion. Anyone who thinks the infiltrators only infiltrated the Vatican and its novus ordo satelllites is being naive.. I was about to say something else but I doubt you'd believe it
 
yeh, if I can. Well, I will try again but so far, things are not so great bc of my location. Also, I have issues about driving a long way but again, I will check into the possibility AGAIN. The thing is, I am being persecuted by fake Catholic people... it's a long, weird story and you likely would not believe me if I told you the details, but in any case, EVERY 'branch' of the Church has been infested w/ fake Catholics who pretend to be such so that they can.. what else? Destroy Christ's True Religion. Anyone who thinks the infiltrators only infiltrated the Vatican and its novus ordo satelllites is being naive.. I was about to say something else but I doubt you'd believe it

I've been persecuted by bad Catholics (whether they are "fake" or not, I'll leave that between them and Almighty God) almost as long as I've been in the Church (48 years), and I've never known anything different. Only in the traditionalist movement (and, to be fair, amongst very conservative Novus Ordo adherents, in the years before the TLM was as widespread as it is now) have I found peace and acceptance.

Thankfully I became a Catholic because I came to be convinced of the truth of her teachings, not because of the people. The teachings in the books are what won me over, the sacraments, the Real Presence, and the traditional magisterium are what kept me in it (as well as extra ecclesiam nulla salus). Not the people. Not the "love". And certainly not "having been raised to believe in it". With the grace of God and the gift of faith, I did it all on my own.
 
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My reality says otherwise. Jesus said that few find the Narrow Way. Most people live for this world, getting comfortable in it-- and to get comfortable in it, you have to make compromises (to the Faith).. over and over and over.. So I am not surprised that even most "catholics" don't make it, as Jesus implies (and the saints confirm).

There is a passage in the Bible about people trying to get into Heaven after "the master" has shut the door on them. They say Let us in... We ate and drank IN YOUR PRESENCE [emphasis added], and You taught in our streets."

Those are things JESUS did. What's the great accomplishment of being in the Real Presence, if you leave there and do not OBEY Jesus's every word?

If you think there are no Catholics in Hell.... not so
I imply no such thing! Catholic this or Catholic that is division and division, like hate, is very strongly appealing to our wounded souls. There are numerous Eastern Rite Catholics who do not and have never celebrated a Latin mass. Like us Novus Ordo types, are they children of a lesser God?
 
 
 
 
Purgatory removes dross. Every soul not to spend their eternity in hell passes through it. Those sentenced to hell, are burned up and their consciousness relegated to hell and its continued burning for eternity. Since God is holy and pure, only that which is like Him may enter into His peace. That is why Jesus said: " be holy as your Father in Heaven is holy". The first pope of the Roman Church reiterated that
1 Peter 1:15-16
But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do, / for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”

Purgatory as I said, removes dross, but most importantly to note, purgatory removes unknown sin, not deliberate sin. I say that because someone in here mentioned mortal sin. That is not what purgatory is for. Hell is for mortal sin. Both of my stances are confirmed by holy scripture.

Saint Paul addresses the manner in which purgatory is applied. See, all not in mortal sin pass through the holy fire to God's peace. Depending on your state at death, determines its effect. Saint Paul explains it like this...........1 Corinthians 3: 10According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it. 11For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—( St. Paul uses tangible examples in allegory for the state of the soul. Depending on your state determines the holy fire's effect.) 13each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day (The Day you die) will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

As those baptized in Christ, building upon the foundation, that which we do and teach must adjoin to the foundation, if not it is burned up.

Depending on your condition determines amount of time. Some have much dross, some not as much, those who are not gold, silver or precious gems, get discarded. For a king does not retain wood, hay or straw. Like a gold/silversmith, the Lord pulls the soul out at the right time. He knows exactly when and we get a glimpse of how it works with an earthly silversmith. He knows when the silver is ready to pull when he sees his own reflection in the silver, gold as well. If left too long all is lost. Only silver, gold and precious gems can be snatched from the fire. The rest is discarded ( wood, hay, straw are cast to hell.) For a king has no use for such states. Precious gems pass through like passing through warm milk. That is simple to understand by seeing how both silver and gold respond to the same fire as precious gems here on earth. What melts them does not melt precious gems. Mother Mary also taught that some souls are blessed to do their purgatory on earth. I think she is speaking to the end of the age Elect who will be here to see the return of Christ upon the clouds of heaven. Like their Heavenly Mother, they are transformed in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. It is an instant death and resurrection at the end of time at the Second Coming of Christ. It is not a pre-trib, mid-trib rapture as taught by Protestants, it is at the second coming of Christ. Some will be on the earth alive at His return.
1 Corinthians 15:
51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

54When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

55“Where, O Death, is your victory?

Where, O Death, is your sting?”i

56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!

58Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast and immovable. Always excel in the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

Back to Purgatory ........Depending on your state determines the effect of God's holy fire. Mother Mary too speaks of venial sin, she has said- "There are those who sin and those who love sin". Venial sin is not deliberate sin, it is not- making a practice of sin, but a hate of sin, mortal sin is- making a practice of sin and a love for it. This is addressed too in holy scripture.

1 John 5: 1
That You May Know

13I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life. 14And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.
Concerning Prayer:
16If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death (Venial sin), he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death (Mortal sin); I do not say that one should pray for that. 17All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.

Mortal- deadly, lethal fatal.........Hence, Mortal sin.

The Elect are taught there is sin that we are not required to pray for. So, when asked by our Mother to pray for souls in purgatory, we are not praying for those with Mortal Sin but rather Venial Sin. The Holy Spirit lets us know when applicable or not applicable. I have experienced non-applicable attempts. It feels like a mental block that does not allow for the touching of that person. I understand why too. Mortal sin is always deliberate; it stems from continual practice with no recourse. The weight would be too great for a child of God to help with. It is loved; the sin is loved, practiced and cannot be moved through prayer. God does not expect us to lift such a dead weight. I know many in mortal sin that certain of the Church require prayer for. My Heavenly Father says He does not want me to pray for some people.
 
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