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Cruciferi
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Both parties are rotten to the core. Worse, yet they’re filled with Free Masons. I was a GOP Precinct Committee Person, believe me, the GOP was never good.
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RandomAlias
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I think the problem goes much deeper than acceptance of or allegiance to Church leadership. That is the least of our problems. More fundamentally it is a failure to love.
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bobperk
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I agree. I doubt many Republicans are sincere in their stances. Over the last 8-10 years or so, many seem to have become devotees of the atheist Ayn Rand and her style of economics. Maybe some of that has died down with the end of the “tea party” which was big around 2010 or so. I haven’t heard much about it lately.
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Maximilian75
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Death penaty thread here. I didn’t mean to derail the thread- Sorry!
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phil19034
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I don’t think this is a true statement at all. I’m a Catholic Republican (Catholic first) and I strongly feel this mess needs to be fixed ASAP.
However, I strongly object to people making this into an issue of bigotry, etc when it’s been happening for decades.
Congress needs to fix our immigration laws now.
I highly recommend this post from Catholic Vote: Migrant Children: A Long-Overlooked Human Rights Crisis - CatholicVote org
Most Catholic Republicans I know usually fall in line with Church teaching and are often in line with Catholic Vote.
God Bless
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Maximilian75
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I heartily agree with this.
The US’s immigration law is absolutely in need of reform.
However, until that reform occur, that law is still the law, and the US is a nation of laws.
The US’s immigration law is absolutely in need of reform.
However, until that reform occur, that law is still the law, and the US is a nation of laws.
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joeybaggz
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Boy is that a straw dog! Should get the “Irrelevant Post of the Month Award.” Doubt you have any idea what Rand’s economics is based in.
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PureKathleen46
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Believe you mean you well but im not going to be subservient to whatever some bishop says because i am a child of god and he gave me a voice. I know i dont give up on myself. God gave me my own mind. I succomb to the rights of my lord. Im not under mind control like the feeble minds of a fallen bishop. Amen
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godisgood77
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Amen sister… follow your conscience!
Not sure which fallen bishop you’re talking about, but would be interested to know
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otjm
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I have not followed the bishops statements, but a lick of common sense might help.
Any parent who commits a crime may be separated from their children; that has been happening for decades. Single parent? Kids go to children’s services, to be placed first with other family members. And that is across the board; not just illegal aliens.
The children which are being separated are those where the parent(s0 are illegally sneaking over the border - with the children. Oh - but I guess the action of the parents is not to be considered - right? I doubt there are very many parents sneaking over the border who do not know that they will be deported if caught; so they are choosing to risk all that entails.
There is no place for children to be held in detention. The government, as best they can, place the children with others of family already here. And as to those seeking amnesty, all they have to do is come to the normal entry prots; they won’t be separated from their children. Come in illegally? They will.
Obama did the same thing; but the liberals were not going to protest, so you heard nothing - and the bishops did not comment, because it wa not in the news and thus on their radar. Difference? different administration.
Do I think I have more wisdom? Certainly it appears I have more knowledge.
The seminary doesn’t teach Federal Law (I know; I attended seminary). Nor, apparently, does it necessarily teach common sense. We have had illegal aliens for decades upon decades; if they are going to be deported, that is not coing to occur in a day or a week; and where do the seminaries suggest the children be held - in jail with the parents? The fact is, this is not a topic in the seminary.
God speaks; but just because a bishop or a Cardinal speaks does not mean that God is speaking through him - or for that matter, a bunch of them. And how about the bishops and the Cardinals speaking to the illegal aliens before they cross over the border, hoping to not be caught, and telling them if they bring their children and are caught, they will be separated?
I am not fighting God; nor am I suggesting that we do not need to review and amend our immigration laws. But if you want to be honest, you need to address the several Hispanic gangs active in the US - M-13 being one of the more vicious ones. No, I do not support open borders.
A time of purification? That is beyond the pale. How about a time where we exert the control over our borders - which goes beyond Hispanics, to include most of the rest of the world.
You are naive in presuming that because the bishops speak about a political matter, that they are God’s voice. Children don’t belong in jail, and that is where illegals will go before being deported. This is not about Christ’s teachings; it is about the criminality of people illegally crossing our borders. A little honesty in the conversation helps.
Any parent who commits a crime may be separated from their children; that has been happening for decades. Single parent? Kids go to children’s services, to be placed first with other family members. And that is across the board; not just illegal aliens.
The children which are being separated are those where the parent(s0 are illegally sneaking over the border - with the children. Oh - but I guess the action of the parents is not to be considered - right? I doubt there are very many parents sneaking over the border who do not know that they will be deported if caught; so they are choosing to risk all that entails.
There is no place for children to be held in detention. The government, as best they can, place the children with others of family already here. And as to those seeking amnesty, all they have to do is come to the normal entry prots; they won’t be separated from their children. Come in illegally? They will.
Obama did the same thing; but the liberals were not going to protest, so you heard nothing - and the bishops did not comment, because it wa not in the news and thus on their radar. Difference? different administration.
Do I think I have more wisdom? Certainly it appears I have more knowledge.
The seminary doesn’t teach Federal Law (I know; I attended seminary). Nor, apparently, does it necessarily teach common sense. We have had illegal aliens for decades upon decades; if they are going to be deported, that is not coing to occur in a day or a week; and where do the seminaries suggest the children be held - in jail with the parents? The fact is, this is not a topic in the seminary.
God speaks; but just because a bishop or a Cardinal speaks does not mean that God is speaking through him - or for that matter, a bunch of them. And how about the bishops and the Cardinals speaking to the illegal aliens before they cross over the border, hoping to not be caught, and telling them if they bring their children and are caught, they will be separated?
I am not fighting God; nor am I suggesting that we do not need to review and amend our immigration laws. But if you want to be honest, you need to address the several Hispanic gangs active in the US - M-13 being one of the more vicious ones. No, I do not support open borders.
A time of purification? That is beyond the pale. How about a time where we exert the control over our borders - which goes beyond Hispanics, to include most of the rest of the world.
You are naive in presuming that because the bishops speak about a political matter, that they are God’s voice. Children don’t belong in jail, and that is where illegals will go before being deported. This is not about Christ’s teachings; it is about the criminality of people illegally crossing our borders. A little honesty in the conversation helps.
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Crocus
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Agree Christ’s teaching was often hard and challenging, but not sure the scripture you chose illustrates your topic very well. The passage, in context, talks about Our Lord’s real and substantial presence in the Eucharist:
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EvangelistVictor
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Yes, it reminded me of this incident of hard teaching. Of course its not exactly the same.
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EvangelistVictor
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Looks like some Evangelical leaders are also saying the same thing as our US Bishops and Cardinals. God is speaking!!
www.google.com
Franklin Graham, the son of the late evangelical preacher Billy Graham and an outspoken supporter of the Trump administration, sharply criticized the administration’s actions, telling the Christian Broadcasting Network on Thursday, “It’s disgraceful, and it’s terrible to see families ripped apart and I don’t support that one bit.”
White House says separating migrant families is “biblical.” Prominent Christians disagree.
Longtime Trump ally Franklin Graham just slammed the policy.
www.google.com
Franklin Graham, the son of the late evangelical preacher Billy Graham and an outspoken supporter of the Trump administration, sharply criticized the administration’s actions, telling the Christian Broadcasting Network on Thursday, “It’s disgraceful, and it’s terrible to see families ripped apart and I don’t support that one bit.”
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phil19034
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He’s not the only one. I posted last week that evangelical leaders are objecting to this.
I’m a Catholic Republican, but I want to make one thing clear. The Democrats in Congress DO NOT have a moral high ground on this issue, and neither does the media.
According to even the ACLU, “the border control under Obama was monstrous.”
A Congressional Democrat from Texas said in 2014 what the Obama Administration was doing by seperating families was horrible and being kept quiet by the Obama Whitehouse. That Democrats addresses his concerns on CNN
I don’t have a direct link to the CNN video, but a link to the video can be found here: http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/16/dem-rep-child-migrant-crisis/?utm_medium=email
I’m a big fan of the statement Catholic Vite issued here: Migrant Children: A Long-Overlooked Human Rights Crisis - CatholicVote org
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EvangelistVictor
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Nobody know the day or hour of Christ second coming! Where’s this End Time Revelation you know about?
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EvangelistVictor
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I agree to this to some extent about the Dems.
Our Bishop, etc… though do have moral authority. And we should listen.
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Cruciferi
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You’re the one making the Apocalyptic Claims!
Here, read this. It’s Approved Prophecy.
Trial, Tribulation & Triumph: Before, During, and After Antichrist https://www.amazon.com/dp/1882972732/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_w1hkBbT80GDKT
Here, read this. It’s Approved Prophecy.
Trial, Tribulation & Triumph: Before, During, and After Antichrist https://www.amazon.com/dp/1882972732/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_w1hkBbT80GDKT
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Cruciferi
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Are they willing to House and feed these huddled masses? Sounds like virtue signaling to me. I haven’t heard of them presenting any solutions…
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EvangelistVictor
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I never said anything about end times. I’ll look into that book though. Thanks
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phil19034
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I necer claimed otherwise.phil19034:
I agree to this to some extent about the Dems.
Our Bishop, etc… though do have moral authority. And we should listen.
I think what’s happening is horrible, and did before the Bishop of Tulsa said anything.
However, I totally disagree with the Bishop of Tulsa unless he’s also pro canonical penalties for pro-abortion Catholic politicians. If he’s consistent, then I can support him on this.
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