Putting Catholic faith into action on climate change

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JimG said:

I seem to recall a good deal of USCCB (i.e. parishioners’) funds being given to ACORN, and then cut off when it came out that ACORN was involved in fraud. Consequently I have some qualms about trusting the USCCB’s directions on where to spend taxpayer money.

When the Church learned about the mismanagement of the ACORN funds they withdrew support I believe
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4elise said:
When the Church learned about the mismanagement of the ACORN funds they withdrew support I believe
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Fantastic, and as they learn more about the mismangment of the IPCC, I’m sure they will withdraw their support as well ;)🙂
 
4elise said:
I can see quite easily how this is a moral issue and am proud that our Church is pointing to where the moral issue is - standing for the poor and vulnerable in the world on this issue and all issues.
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The issue is not whether we are with the poor or against them but whether it is immoral to believe that AGW is bogus. If you assume that AGW is true and that all the bad things imagined by its supporters come to pass and that everyone knows it to be true, then you could call this a moral issue. Given, however, that we don’t know whether it is true, don’t know that any of the imagined ills will occur, and - at least on the anti-AGW side - believe that the proposed cures are worse than the disease, it is impossible to claim that this is a moral issue.

If believing in AGW is a moral requirement then why hasn’t the Church said so? Where are the statements from the bishops stating formally that disagreeing with the IPCC on global warming is akin to disagreeing with the Church on contraception? This is not a disagreement over whether the poor should be helped - which is a moral obligation - but over the validity of a scientific theory … which is not.

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Sailor_Kenshin said:
Amen.

Again, it is sheer human arrogance to assume we even can change the climate, or that you in throwing away your poor little paper towel have destroyed ‘the environment.’

Climate-change hysteria has nothing to do with good stewardship and everything to do with government control where it has no business doing so.
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Agreed.👍
Nothing to do with “global warming” but I do wish though, that folks would throw their paper towels & other trash in the appropriate place instead of all over our streets & highways!
Global warming is baloney but pollution & littering are very real.I’m tired of cleaning it up.😦
 
JimG said:
I noticed this from a previous link:

"The IPCC does not do original reseach. The reports are syntheses of the available scientific literature.
The cutoff for consideration for new material was in 2005."cce.890m.com/scientific-consensus/

Does this mean we are basing all our analyses on a model which does not accept new data?
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No there has of course been many studies since then. That is just talking about the IPCC in general. The cut off dates I am guessing are because of how the IPCC works. Probably to ensure that studies are adequetely reviewed and what not. But remember the IPCC is just one of the sources of climate change information. Recently a new report from the Copenhagen climate congress was released which serves as nice update to climate science. pik-potsdam.de/news/press-releases/files/synthesis-report-web.pdf

And of course once again there are still individual studies and what not being done.
 
Brendan said:
Yep, one of the links I posted was a peer reviewed article by several Atmospheric Physicists that showed that the greenhouse properties of CO2 were being vastly overstated. That was from May of this year.

So it would be interesting to see the climatologists models re-run with the new data on CO2.
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Are you talking about this study? springerlink.com/content/t341350850360302/ actually that;s from may of 2006 .

And you might wanna read this. n3xus6.blogspot.com/2006/12/denialist-hopes-dashed.html

and here is the abstract/preview of the official rebuttal. springerlink.com/content/36w570322514n204/fulltext.pdf?page=1

Or in other words this study probably should not have gotten through the peer review process and published.
 
I’ve noticed in our community that recycling & “being green” have almost become a replacement for religion.Sad.
No one wants to go door to door evangelizing, but they will for a recycling petition.:confused:
 
It seems that many people are either unaware of the fact, or indifferent to it that there have always been end of the world myths. Over the centuries, people have panicked over the sight of a comet, or some other natural phenomenon. Today we laugh at their gullibility, but many still fall for these events.

Scientists have known for decades, if not hundreds of year that our climate is cyclic. It gets warmer, and then it cools off. This is exactly what happens during the year. As Fall approaches, it gets cooler and the days are shorter. Nobody starts screaming that the sky is falling. So why are so many falling for the “Global Warming” or Global Climate Change" hoax?

The reason is that politicians are behind it. They can make their case with their scientists, and any scientist who disagrees is left out in the cold. There are thousands of scientists who have signed a petition exposing the hoax, but you are not going to see anything about this on TV.

Stop believing the propaganda. There is a very dangerous agenda behind it. We are loosing our freedom over a lie. Global Warming, or Global Climate Change is all about control. It’s about control by our politicians, and the loss of our freedoms. This is not something new.

It has been done before: the War on Poverty, the War on Drugs and the War on Terrorism. It’s all about the empowerment of the state, and the loss of our freedoms.

WAKE UP.
 
Cracker_Mom said:
I’ve noticed in our community that recycling & “being green” have almost become a replacement for religion.Sad.
No one wants to go door to door evangelizing, but they will for a recycling petition.:confused:
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CrackerMom - you confuse me? — In one post you complain about people littering and in another complain about people trying to clean up the place…

As for door to door evangelizing - I agree other religious have the jump on us in that area. How much of this do you do, and do you find it successful?
 
4elise said:
CrackerMom - you confuse me? — In one post you complain about people littering and in another complain about people trying to clean up the place…

As for door to door evangelizing - I agree other religious have the jump on us in that area. How much of this do you do, and do you find it successful?
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I don’t believe recycling makes economic sense in most cases.And recycling plastics has bad environmental effects from what I read.I think it’s more for political correctness than practicality.
We used to visit fallen away & elderly/homebound Catholics through the Legion of Mary.it involves door to door evangelizing & is a great ministry.Even many of the non-Catholics appreciate a visit & prayers.Working full time doesn’t allow me to be much involved anymore, sad to say.
 
Cracker_Mom said:
I don’t believe recycling makes economic sense in most cases.And recycling plastics has bad environmental effects from what I read.I think it’s more for political correctness than practicality.
We used to visit fallen away & elderly/homebound Catholics through the Legion of Mary.it involves door to door evangelizing & is a great ministry.Even many of the non-Catholics appreciate a visit & prayers.Working full time doesn’t allow me to be much involved anymore, sad to say.
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It is true - in some cases - recycling is very costly, but it reduces the amount of resources used - paper and aluminum are inexpensive to recycle, and have a great volume turn around the % gone back to use again – it is the plastic that gets us in trouble - there are so many different types, the cost to recycle is high today, but it is still better than just going to landfills. I think the reduce - reuse part of of the discussion needs to be given more emphasis - the recycling I think just encourages consumerism with less guilt.

Like you - working full time makes such activity difficult. Perhaps that is the case for most people.
 
Ok lets assume that it is true that temperatures have declined or even platued over the past ten years. Lets look at a few links to help show everyone here why looking at such small time periods isn;t a good thing and why such a short period of cooling surface temperatures is meaningless anyway.

skepticalscience.com/Is-the-climate-warming-or-cooling.html

realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/01/uncertainty-noise-and-the-art-of-model-data-comparison/langswitch_lang/ho

And why it doesn;t really mean much even if the climate has cooled. bravenewclimate.com/2008/11/23/what-bob-carter-and-andrew-bolt-fail-to-grasp/

this concludes the lesson. 😉
 
Sailor_Kenshin said:
Nope.

Oil is the engine that drives this economy, not modern-day marxists putting their yoke of oppression on all of us and crippling both ingenuity and free enterprise.
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This is ridiculous. We watched gas prices daily for years to see where to get the cheapest gas. guys I work with were buying woodstoves to supplement their oil furnace. Because some were paying more for heat than their mortgage(some over$1000.00/ month). Therefore they had no extra money for anything else. It’s no wonder to me why all the retail stores are being boarded up. And the other businesses too.Everybody spent all their extra money on oil for 7 years or more. And I don’t doubt that the people who couldn’t pay their mortgages, couldn’t because they prefered heat until the foreclosure came. Oil is a pathetically ridiculous thing to defend…But I geuss it’s OK if the king of all conservative freetraders profited off of it…heck with the rest of the world though. The rest of the world can go broke. It drove Exxon Mobil’s economy,and the Muslim’s of the middle east and the communist chinese economy’s that’s about it. Nobody could even think about buying a new car with heating fuel so high.Hence the GM bailout. Nobody could buy anything else but cheap chinese junk. Nobody could pay their mortgages or their credit cards. But we can’t look at the king family of all conservatives(whom it’s been rumored to have been in the oil business with muslims.) for staying in Iraq so long. Next time we go to the middle east for any reason whatso ever, they better be a bit quicker than this long. Or they can come to my office for a good chewing out. I do not disagree with oil usage. I personally don’t mind if we drill for it here. BUT it is a ridiculous statement to say that oil drives this economy,when in fact it has sunk the whole worlds economy,IMO.
 
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