Putting Catholic faith into action on climate change

[Gabriella_San_S]

We used to visit fallen away & elderly/homebound Catholics through the Legion of Mary.it involves door to door evangelizing & is a great ministry.Even many of the non-Catholics appreciate a visit & prayers

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I became a member of the Legion of Mary when I was 18 years old! We were “canvassing”
neighborhoods to do the parish census on the day (May 13, 1981) that our beloved Holy Father, Pope John Paul II had been shot in St.Peter’s square.
A little Italian woman invited me inside her apartment to watch the news coverage. I went directly from there to my parish to pray before the Blessed Sacrament for his protection and healing.
Only later was it revealed that he attributed his protection to Our Lady intervention. He said, “One hand fired the bullet,* another hand* directed it…”
May 13th is the Feast day of Our Lady of Fatima. One year later, John Paul “the Great” consecrated the world to Mary’s Immaculate Heart. And he left the bullet there, in the crown of Her statue.
My husband and I and our children are auxiliary members of the Legion of Mary presently.
We renew our consecration to Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart regularly. It is a good practice, to also** entrust the world**-which is in greater distress than ever before-to Her and Her peace plan from Heaven at Fatima…“Pray the Rosary for peace in the world… offer sacrifices for poor sinners…and stop offending God, Who is already much offended…” (Our Lady of Fatima,1917)
The Triumph of Her Heart, will usher in the Reign of the Sacred and Eucharistic Heart of Jesus. Therein lies the remedy to our earth’s "climate "change. :byzsoc::grouphug:

 

[4elise]

Therein lies the remedy to our earth’s "climate "change.

:byzsoc::grouphug:

I agree prayers are certainly going to make a difference - but as you had said in an earlier post - that doesn’t mean we can then just do as we want.

Our actions too must reflect our faith, not just our words.

 

[Gabriella_San_S]

I agree prayers are certainly going to make a difference - but as you had said in an earlier post - that doesn’t mean we can then just do as we want.

Our actions too must reflect our faith, not just our words.

Our Lady’s “peace plan from Heaven” was not an “idle one”. It is a plan for** ACTION**!
If individuals, and* families* in particular, are united in prayer, our actions will reflect it. Prayer **and **works go hand-in-hand! Otherwise, “we are like gonging cymbals…” (St.Paul)kpeople:

 

[4elise]

Our Lady’s “peace plan from Heaven” was not an “idle one”. It is a plan for** ACTION**!
If individuals, and* families* in particular, are united in prayer, our actions will reflect it. Prayer **and **works go hand-in-hand! Otherwise, “we are like gonging cymbals…” (St.Paul)kpeople:

Amen…
For me one of the actions we have taken in our family is we have given up meat, poultry, dairy, eggs - learned about the impact CAFO (confined animal feeding operations) are having on the environment - we started a group here on CAF - Catholic Vegetarians and Vegans - there are recipes there if you are interested… Peace

 

[Al_Masetti]

newsmax.com/insidecover/global_warming_hype/2009/07/03/231842.html

 

[4elise]

newsmax.com/insidecover/global_warming_hype/2009/07/03/231842.html

Here we can get into what is credible media today… I think most (even those who love Newsmax.com) admit that it is conservative at best and part of an echo chamber at the worst. Self described "“number one conservative news agency online”

It is getting harder and harder to find news that doesn’t have a slant in one direction or another today. That is why I am so happy when as stated in the original post, the Catholic Church provides leadership in something as important today as global climate change. catholicsandclimatechange.org/

Happy Fourth of July - those of us in the United States are so very blessed to have the freedom to practice our faith each day - let us pray for others in the world who don’t have this great gift. Peace

 

[4elise]

ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=96271

ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=96313

ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/b16africa10.htm

**“In regard to the international community as a whole, of pressing importance are co-ordinated efforts to address the issue of climate change…” **
Luanda, Presidential Palace: Meeting with Political, Civil Authorities and with Diplomatic Corps - Pope Benedict XVI

 

[Gabriella_San_S]

Amen…
For me one of the actions we have taken in our family is we have given up meat, poultry, dairy, eggs - learned about the impact CAFO (confined animal feeding operations) are having on the environment - we started a group here on CAF - Catholic Vegetarians and Vegans - there are recipes there if you are interested… Peace

Thanks, Elise.
My husband started a really great vegetable garden this spring (but we’ve been feeling the effects of the climate change:winter: hee, hee! ) and we haven’t gotten the yield that we expected yet. We are also going to get some “peeps” to have our own eggs. Why we didn’t do this sooner, I don’t know.
I saw that CAFgroup and thought that my oldest daughter might be interested…thanks for the heads up. God bless you.

 

[Al_Masetti]

The poor will not be helped if the “action” is based on fraudulent climate change arguments:

gazette.com/opinion/global-57774-warming-report.html

 

[4elise]

The poor will not be helped if the “action” is based on fraudulent climate change arguments:

gazette.com/opinion/global-57774-warming-report.html

Many may express opinion that global climate change is or is not happening - however only those who at least accept it as a possibility will have a voice on what action should or should not be taken – this is where the discussion is – Happy 4th

 

[Calliso]

newsmax.com/insidecover/global_warming_hype/2009/07/03/231842.html

You know the fact that he mentions cooling since 1998 should raise red flags right there that this guy isnlt worth listening too. Lets look at that temperature record from 1999 again shall we? woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1999/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:1999/trend

Not to mention the models donlt say that there must be a contious rise in temperature in some straight line year after year after year or oh noes the models are wrong. I mean seriously look at this temperature record here data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif

Notice something about it? The long term increase in temperature cannot be denied. However when you look at shorter periods it;s harder to see the over all trend. Even though the trend over the past century has been warming…there are some definate short term periods of cooling or flat temperatures.

Oh not to mention not only is looking from 1998 too short of a time period it also happened to be an elnino year which made it an especially hot year. Gee anyone see anything wrong with measuring from a year where a natural event caused that particular year to be way hottter then the normal trend? Then trying to claim we are cooling…

Anyway here is a another post scroll down a bit he looks at temperature trends for a few decades seperated by decade. tamino.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/embarrassing-questions/

As for the ice not declining any faster really? nsidc.org/sotc/sea_ice.html
Not to mention we are losing much of the thick multi year ice. ipy.org/index.php?/ipy/detail/arctic_sea_ice_will_probably_not_recover/

Oh and he mentions the 31,000 scientists again…

Seriously you would think these people would at least try to come up with some new arguments wouldn;t you? I mean how many times do we have to deal with the whole cooling since 1998 nonsense for instance?

 

[Calliso]

The poor will not be helped if the “action” is based on fraudulent climate change arguments:

gazette.com/opinion/global-57774-warming-report.html

Wait not another link on the so called supression right? peeks again Oh no it is…slaps forehead

Ok once again debunking the poor science here realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/06/bubkes

And on top of the bad science we also have plagarism… deepclimate.org/2009/06/30/suppressed-carlin-report-based-on-pat-michaels-attack-on-epa/

So someone explain to me please why the EPA should have listened to a report full of bad science and plagarism?

Oh and the surface temperature thing again…NOAA recently released this…ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/about/response-v2.pdf

Then there is the fact that there is far more then just the surface temperature reecord to go off of. skepticalscience.com/surface-temperature-measurements.htm

 

[Al_Masetti]

Here are some of the explanations.

greenhellblog.com/

Every day, more and more evidence emerges that global warming/ climate change are natural and normal. AND every day, more and more evidence emerges that the arguments favoring man-made climate change are fraudulent and that the advocates have MAJOR conflicts of interest.

There is much more to post, but time is short.

But start with the greenhellblog and also www.junkscience.com and click on the link to global warming toward the top of the home page.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

It is true - in some cases - recycling is very costly, but it reduces the amount of resources used - paper and aluminum are inexpensive to recycle, and have a great volume turn around the % gone back to use again – it is the plastic that gets us in trouble - there are so many different types, the cost to recycle is high today, but it is still better than just going to landfills. I think the reduce - reuse part of of the discussion needs to be given more emphasis - the recycling I think just encourages consumerism with less guilt.

Like you - working full time makes such activity difficult. Perhaps that is the case for most people.

Trees are a renewable resource, but I do agree with what you say re. reduce/reuse.Why not go back to reusable glass bottles for Cokes?
There’s a huge amount of packaging that goes in the trash & is really unnecessary.
Recycle if it makes economic sense, not just political.

 

[Calliso]

Here are some of the explanations.

greenhellblog.com/

Every day, more and more evidence emerges that global warming/ climate change are natural and normal. AND every day, more and more evidence emerges that the arguments favoring man-made climate change are fraudulent and that the advocates have MAJOR conflicts of interest.

There is much more to post, but time is short.

But start with the greenhellblog and also www.junkscience.com and click on the link to global warming toward the top of the home page.

Nope still not seeing anything there convicing either. Just the same old same old tired stuff. skepdic.com/refuge/junkscience.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy Really though it doesn;t seem like this guy is the best guy to get unbiased info from.

 

[Al_Masetti]

It only takes ONE point to defeat the hypothesis that global warming/ climate change is man-made.

But, we have tons of points that counter the man-made climate change arguments.

The major vulnerabilities of the man-made global warming / climate change issue are:

1. it’s all based on bogus computer models … not to mention the utterly and totally bogus “hockey stick” graph.
2. 85% of the data used in the models are high by from 1 degree to 5 degrees. Since the model results are only one degree per hundred years, (name removed by moderator)ut data that is off by as much as 5 degrees will bias the model results by several degrees … www.surfacestations.org
3. a large number of scientists [thousands] have stated that the idea of man-made global warming / climate change is a fraud.

There are many more discussion points, but all the arguing in the world won’t invalidate these three issues listed above.

In any event, here is ANOTHER source:

joannenova.com.au/global-warming/

The more I look, the more people I find who are posting the weaknesses of the man-made notion of global warming / climate change.

 

[Al_Masetti]

I see that a Wikipedia bio of Steven Milloy has been posted. It mentions that he got some money from the tobacco industry.

We need to check and see the funding sources for … Al Gore. His historical funding and the funding of his family might make interesting reading. [Armand Hammer / Occidental Petroleum? Check it out.]

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Actually even in the 1970’s many scientists were predicting future global warming because of fossil realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/03/the-global-cooling-mole/langswitch_lang/ho

Full paper ams.allenpress.com/archive/1520-0477/89/9/pdf/i1520-0477-89-9-1325.pdf

And I already addressed the so called supression in other posts.

If you study history you will learn that the suppression of certain information was already well-entrenched by the 1970s, and is all but ironclad now.

The very thought of man-made ‘climate change’ speaks of human arrogance, fear, and misinformation.

 

[4elise]

If you study history you will learn that the suppression of certain information was already well-entrenched by the 1970s, and is all but ironclad now.

The very thought of man-made ‘climate change’ speaks of human arrogance, fear, and misinformation.

I know many have stated that man-made ‘climate change’ seems arrogant.
To me the issue of the man-made impact creating ‘climate change’ is about responsibility.

Learning how our actions are adversely impacting the world, and the people who live in it around the globe, and working to make changes on an individual and institutional level to make improvements - is what my faith calls me to take notice of and take action on…

vatican.va/roman_curia/secretariat_state/2008/documents/rc_seg-st_20080212_climate-change_en.html

Being skeptical as a knee jerk reaction doesn’t advance the discussion on what should or should not be done.

 

[Calliso]

If you study history you will learn that the suppression of certain information was already well-entrenched by the 1970s, and is all but ironclad now.

The very thought of man-made ‘climate change’ speaks of human arrogance, fear, and misinformation.

And I am sure if I ask you for any actual evidence of this you will then claim that you can;t cause it was all supressed by the evil greenies right? The thing is scientists like to prove each other wrong. scienceblogs.com/islandofdoubt/2009/07/what_science_is_really_all_abo.php#more

And why does the very thought of man made climate change speak of ignorance fear and misinformation? Imo ignoring the idea that man can have an effect on the climate is all of those things. I mean think about it co2 is a greenhouse gas this we have known for over a 100 years. aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm And the co2 concentration has been rising over the past 150 years realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/how-do-we-know-that-recent-cosub2sub-increases-are-due-to-human-activities-updated/ So knowing this is it really such a stretch to say that we might at least have some effect on the climate?