Question About Mary ??

[jonespm]

Baptism is definitely scriptural and was commanded by Jesus to do this. To be born again in water and the spirit refers to baptism. True Sacraments will not get you into heaven, but will give you the graces that you need to live the life that will get you to heaven. It brings you closer to Jesus and you will have a more intimate relationship with him.
Paul

 

[jonespm]

Jesus was fully human as well as fully divine, he required the same care and needs that all humans needs.
Paul

 

[jonespm]

Jesus was fully human as well as fully divine, he required the same care and needs that all humans needs.
Paul

 

[guanophore]

Sorry LilyM, kujo is a Sola Scriptura person so he is now going to ask you for a Bible reference that states that Jesus asked Mary to feed Him, clean Him or play with Him. All of these come under tradition that only the Catholics believes in.

No, the Orthodox do also, and all the first 400 years of Protestants. It is the New American Evangelicals that have separated themselves from the history of Christianity.

 

[kujo313]

And you know this how, exactly? You can be sure she would have approached him again - after all,he listened to her in Cana - of course she would continue requesting after he did what she asked there! :yup:

Note what He did directly after He said this in the Temple - He didn’t stay in Jerusalem teaching and cut off all ties with Mary and Joseph. Instead He went back with them to Nazareth and subjected himself to them. His actions always speak volumes about His attitude - which attitude we must take for our own.

The bottom line - fourth commandment - His father told Him to honour His mother!!! Jesus kept all the commandments perfectly. So He honoured Mary superlatively. So if we would be perfect followers of Him we must too!

Actually, I bet that Mary let Jesus do His ministry. Not just any ministry, but being the Messiah! With that, there is nothing to do except follow Him and obey Him. That’s what she did.

It is not written if Jesus obeyed Mary after He started His ministry. It doesn’t matter. What DOES matter is reconciliation to God through Jesus. Period.

Matthew 10

“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’

Following the Son as He does His Father’s work. I’m a “daddy’s boy”, you can be a “mommy’s boy”.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Actually, I bet that Mary let Jesus do His ministry. Not just any ministry, but being the Messiah! With that, there is nothing to do except follow Him and obey Him. That’s what she did.

It is not written if Jesus obeyed Mary after He started His ministry. It doesn’t matter. What DOES matter is reconciliation to God through Jesus. Period.

Matthew 10

“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’

Following the Son as He does His Father’s work. I’m a “daddy’s boy”, you can be a “mommy’s boy”.

If anything you said is true, the Jesus himself broke the commandment, “Honor Your Mother and Your Father.”

Honestly, kujo. The Catholic Apologists with their deepest desire to write charitable posts has not done you any service.

Jesus loved his Mother. His mind and thoughts were about his mother as well as the Father. If his mother was not on his mind why oh why did he said this,

When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold your son.” Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.

If you consider yourself a disciple of Jesus and a brethren of a Lord due to the baptism you gain, then why don’t you like John, take Mary into your own life with deep love and reverence.

She is after the mother of all Christians because she is the Mother of Jesus Christ, the Living God, as well as man. She is our spiritual mother.

 

[LilyM]

Actually, I bet that Mary let Jesus do His ministry. Not just any ministry, but being the Messiah! With that, there is nothing to do except follow Him and obey Him. That’s what she did.

I’ll take that bet. She told him when it was time to begin His ministry, for crying out loud! SHE took Him back to HER home and Joseph’s in Nazareth. Who was obedient to whom there kujo?

Does it say anywhere that Mary and Joseph bowed down and worshipped Him? No it says HE obeyed THEM. Was he no less God Incarnate doing the will of the Father when he was being obedient to Mary and Joseph? It seems you think He was And youthink wrongly.

Even as God Incarnate He’s the LAST of ALL and SERVANT of ALL, he washed the Apostles’ feet, remember? He doesn’t mind sharing the spotlight a bit you know

It is not written if Jesus obeyed Mary after He started His ministry.

But He was ALWAYS God incarnate, ALWAYS doing the father’s business, certainly knew what the Father’s busines was by the time they were at the Temple at the age of 12. AND in Nazareth afterwards! He didn’t turn into the Son of God overnight at Cana or anything.

Remember with almost His last breath He put Mary into the care of St John. Does this sound like the act of a son who ignored His mother? Ever? You can be sure that He thought of her and cared for her always, and that’s WHY he continued at that moment.

“Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’
Following the Son as He does His Father’s work. I’m a “daddy’s boy”, you can be a “mommy’s boy”.

You just don’t get it. I’m both a Daddy’s girl AND a Mommy’s girl - just like JESUS was both a Daddy’s boy AND perfectly a Mommy’s boy too! As the commandments told Him to be.

There’s no conflict between God’s will and Mary’s - she was always perfectly in tune with God’s will. And you’re missing out an important part of following Christ if you ignore her. He never did.

 

[Allweather]

There’s no conflict between God’s will and Mary’s - she was always perfectly in tune with God’s will. And you’re missing out an important part of following Christ if you ignore her. He never did.

So true. The heretics who despise God’s plan through Mary are missing out on THE major portion of the beauty of that plan. They still get some of the essentials, but what a miserable, stripped-down, low-budget version of God’s plan that is. They end up with a Jesus who is all divine with only a spec of humanity in him. So sad.

I’ve clipped this a couple of times in the past, but it bears doing again. From St. Louis de Montfort’s True Devotion To The Blessed Virgin:

"“An infallible and unmistakeable sign by which we can distinguish a heretic, a man of false doctrine, an enemy of God, from one of God’s true friends is that the heretic and the hardened sinner show nothing but contempt and indifference for our Lady, and endeavor, by word and example, openly or insidiously - sometimes under specious pretexts - to belittle the love and veneration shown to her. God the father has not told Mary to dwell in them because they are, alas, other Esaus.”"

 

[Jaypeeto4]

Following the Son as He does His Father’s work. I’m a “daddy’s boy”, you can be a “mommy’s boy”.

I have to say I continue to be amazed at Kujo’s reckless and grossly disrespectful attitude toward the virgin Mary !!
I’ll bet ten dollars he would not speak in this smart-alecky way about Moses, Abraham, Elijah, Deborah, Jael, Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremiah, or the Twelve Apostles. I just don’t understand then why he feels at such liberty to ridicule our respect and healthy devotion to the mother of Christ, who is the New Eve and Our Mother too. Why does he spew so much venom at Mary?
Why at Mary? What did SHE ever do to harm HIM ??!!

By the way, Kujo, we Catholics also venerate with our prayer requests the Old Testament saints and all twleve of the Twelve Apostles, not just Mary you know. We ask them all, as a group and as individuals, to pray for us.

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+

 

[guanophore]

You just don’t get it. I’m both a Daddy’s girl AND a Mommy’s girl - just like JESUS was both a Daddy’s boy AND perfectly a Mommy’s boy too! As the commandments told Him to be.

There’s no conflict between God’s will and Mary’s - she was always perfectly in tune with God’s will. And you’re missing out an important part of following Christ if you ignore her. He never did.

I think he has a serious mother wound. I think a relationship with Mary would help it heal, but he can’t allow that.

Following the Son as He does His Father’s work. I’m a “daddy’s boy”, you can be a “mommy’s boy”.

I have to say I continue to be amazed at Kujo’s reckless and grossly disrespectful attitude toward the virgin Mary !!
I’ll bet ten dollars he would not speak in this smart-alecky way about Moses, Abraham, Elijah, Deborah, Jael, Ezekiel, Daniel, Jeremiah, or the Twelve Apostles. I just don’t understand then why he feels at such liberty to ridicule our respect and healthy devotion to the mother of Christ, who is the New Eve and Our Mother too. Why does he spew so much venom at Mary?
Why at Mary? What did SHE ever do to harm HIM ??!!

Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+

Mary is probably just carrying the projection of an earthly mother that failed him. He has written before about his resentment of not finding Jesus in the Church. He apparently was brought up Catholic, and went to Catholic school, and never knew Jesus. It stand to reason that he did not have a mother like Mary, who could introduce him to a personal relationship with her son.

I think he does this to let us know why he is here on the forum. It is clear there are many unresolved issues from childhood, and he needs our prayers.

 

[Randy_Carson]

Open your Bible here. WHAT favor did He ask of her? Actually, in John chapter 2, Jesus called her “woman”. I don’t know about you, but if I called my mother “woman”, she’d back-hand me with her 19-pound purse and have me airborne.
HOW COULD He call His own mother by a title?
Many times Jesus said for us to “come onto Me”? It was the Catholic “church” who set aside all of that and looked closer into Mary.
Sounds like you either don’t get it or have ADHD.

Wow. Nice ad hominem there, kujo. Very nice.

Perhaps your mother would have smacked you in the 20th century American culture you were raised in, but would Jesus’ words have gotten the same result in first century Israel?

:nope:

If you love the Bible, you need to learn more about it than a simplistic reading of the printed words.

Hope this helps. :tiphat:

 

[jmcrae]

John chapter 2. Jesus called Mary “woman”. WHAT KIND of kid says that to his own mother?

The kind who is the Second Adam giving the same title to the Second Eve that the first Adam gave to the first Eve. (“This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; this one shall be called Woman, for out of Man this one was taken.” Genesis 2:23.)

Eve is the mother of all the living. Mary is the mother of all who are spiritually alive in Christ.

 

[Claude_Kenneson]

In Mark 7:9-13 and Mark 10:17 Jesus talks about honoring father and mother. Are we supposed to believe that addressing her as woman was something demeaning? It would in today’s parlance equal to lady. I hardly find that offensive. Mary is our Lady.

 

[guanophore]

John chapter 2. Jesus called Mary “woman”. WHAT KIND of kid says that to his own mother? That was not respecting Mary as His mother, but rather a title.

You have hit the nail on the head, kujo. All the doctrines about Mary evolve out of the kind of Man Jesus is. We understand the nature and role of His mother in His life and ours because we understand who He is.

 

[believers]

In Mark 7:9-13 and Mark 10:17 Jesus talks about honoring father and mother. Are we supposed to believe that addressing her as woman was something demeaning? It would in today’s parlance equal to lady. I hardly find that offensive. Mary is our Lady.

Act 10:34
Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Rom 2:11
For there is no respect of persons with God.

 

[guanophore]

Act 10:34
Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Rom 2:11
For there is no respect of persons with God.

So, what are you saying, believers? Jesus disobeyed the commandment to honor His mother because He is no “respector of persons”?

Actually, I think He treated everyone with the same respect He had for His mother, which is what made him so successful, and such a good Son.

The above passages mean that salvation is not only for the Jew, but also for the Gentiles. God is not discrimminating on the basis of race, and salvation is available to all. To Mary first, and then to the rest of us.

 

[Allweather]

Act 10:34
Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Rom 2:11
For there is no respect of persons with God.

This is what happens when sola scriptura people yank verses out of context.

 

[believers]

This is what happens when sola scriptura people yank verses out of context.

“Mother of God” This is what happens when you yank verses not in the Bible.

The Word of God says that God is no respecter of persons.

 

[Allweather]

“Mother of God” This is what happens when you yank verses not in the Bible.

What meaneth thou by this saying? How can one yank verses not in the Bible? Are you suggesting that the title Mother of God is not a Scriptural idea? Maybe you don’t realize it relates to Trinity, which BTW is also not mentioned explicitly in the Bible, but yet is there, though incompletely defined. As Trinity was more carefully and explicitly defined by the Church over the centuries following Jesus’ resurrection, it became necessary to define Mary as the Mother of God in order to express the Trinitarian reality of Jesus being both fully man, AND fully God.

The Word of God says that God is no respecter of persons.

That is true, and I believe that. I believe every word, every jot, every tittle of the Bible, the Word of God, as you say. Yet, you’ve taken those “respecter of persons” verses out of context and applied them incorrectly to another context. That is how you get yourself into doctrinal trouble. That habit of yours is why you’re making such a mess of your religion.

 

[Mommyof02green]

“Mother of God” This is what happens when you yank verses not in the Bible.

Jesus is Fully God and Fully Man. Mary is the Mother of Jesus.
Jesus is Fully God and Fully Man. Mary being the Mother of Jesus makes her the Mother of God. This is because Jesus is Fully God and Fully Man.

Calling Mary the Mother of God is only to affirm who Jesus is…
Who is Jesus? The second person of the Trinity. Jesus is Fully God and Fully Man. Mary is Mother of Jesus, therefore she is the Mother of God.