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The mechanical age ushered in Communism, which removed God from their public societies and tried to breach the Catholic Church especially in Orthodoxy’s private devotion to God, which went underground. These societies such as these lacked the growth of faith in God during this period of the mechanical age which removed God.

All the while the Catholic Church’s apostolic doctrines were being challenged because of mans own self enlightenment challenged God’s existence among the human race.

While Orthodoxy entered martyrdom and persecution during the mechanical age and rise of communism, from their beloved martyrs who soiled the ground from communism planted the seed of Christians. During this time the Catholic Church with the assistance of angels followed by signs and wonders from heaven, refuted man’s new doctrine, that God does not intervene among humans. To which the Peter exclaimed the “Immaculate Conception” heaven confirmed with signs and wonders proving God dwells with the human race.

Now that the Marian Pope proclaimed to the face of communism, “do not be afraid, It is OK to believe in God”, followed by signs which tumbled the walls of communism, freed Orthodoxy and when she breathed the fresh air of freedom, finds herself faced with what she misunderstands to be defined and defended apostolic doctrine in understanding, in the free world, for a “changed doctrine”.

That is why Orthodoxy grabs at an end result, leading to confusion of interpretations of what has been defined against heresy, while she suffered persecution underground, the Catholic Church also suffered martyrs and persecution in the battle field. One recent example is the Marian Pope was shot by this beastly mindset.

Thus the Orthodox, from my interactions with them, have yet to correctly understand or protest the correct definitions of Infallibility, Immaculate conception, purgatory, sin, abortion, marriage defended by the Popes and magisterium, and are quick to deny them or protest them with contradictory reasons and false assumptions from which “they” the Orthodox falsely claim what has been defined and clarified from the Popes and magisterium to an unbelieving and denying world, whilst they remained underground.

History repeats itself here, from the early centuries as the West grew in secular powers as the East declined in secular powers, the Eastern secular powers resisted the Orthodox church to be in communion with the Popes who appointing their enemies as Kings and princesses. A defense of the apostolic faith is made against these growing powers from the Popes, while the Orthodox remained in check from their secular powers. Leaving the Popes and magisterium to battle for the Apostolic Catholic faith. So much so at times, that the Eastern emperors refused visas for their patriarchs to leave their dioceses to council with the Western Catholic church.

In summary the schism of interpretation of revealed doctrine is not the only reason upholding this schism. Secular powers and politics plays an important role from its inception and to today. The political world is fearful of a One United world wide Catholic Church from both the East and Western societies. Some consensus think that this would bring Christians together, on the contrary, it will bring brother against brother, son against father. If the world is not understanding the peace between the two, and jump to false conclusions that their non catholic societies will become an endangered species.

Dialogue is important so as to grasp each understanding, view point without the negative assumptions of the result to be clarified and understood correctly. If peace is truly sought without holding to political worldly structures governing them and influencing communities in Orthodoxy politically. Orthodoxy would have no problem recognizing Jesus building his church upon Peter, so long as their political influences understand that the Pope is not a threat to their economies or political structures, and that their subjects and peoples do not have to be subject to the Popes and magisterium only in faith and morals.

Try explaining this to the Orthodox, and they defend their local “autocephalous” church authority as being separated and independent from Peter’s chair, when it is "faith and morals that is at stake here in doctrine and authority, not their economy, culture, church authority over their flock. Again false assumtions aimed at a result.
Great post Gabe. I have all the writtings from the early 60’s from the KGB who defected to the USA and what they had to say about the ROC and Communism which is rated at 95% accurate “today”. But yes this is where the issues lie.

The church was ran by the Kremlin and KGB, and not ONE Bishop was elected without Communist approval? So what truth do they have? 🤷 Why do you think theres a Catholic Moritorium which exists not “one” extra Catholic has entered Russia since 1917. Not ONE!. The Fear of God, and Gods True Church is the reason. They don’t want Russia consecrated or have to deal with 50-60 % population of Catholics and the Pope. Immediatly it defeats communism. And in that area and geographic location the Catholic Church would catch on like wild-fire. The Pope shouls consecrate Russia just as Mary said and God confirmed. That is the issue coming down the pipe. Russia’s error.

But I’ll tell you this, we haven’t defeated communism yet. So the ROC has much to suffer still. The look of captialism is just to lul the west into a state of being unprepaired. Then real war and enslavement will be the call of the day. Islam is used as a puppet, not that real demonic forces don’t exist their. But the real issue lies in communism especially with Red China becoming as strong as they now are.

God Bless, Gary
 
But I’ll tell you this, we haven’t defeated communism yet. So the ROC has much to suffer still. The look of captialism is just to lul the west into a state of being unprepaired. Then real war and enslavement will be the call of the day. Islam is used as a puppet, not that real demonic forces don’t exist their. But the real issue lies in communism especially with Red China becoming as strong as they now are.

God Bless, Gary
Thank you Gary, I was beginning to feel alone on this subject matter. You are 100% correct, we have not seen the last of communism which comes from the doctrine of “man”.
 
GaryTaylor;7905067]The church was ran by the Kremlin and KGB, and not ONE Bishop was elected without Communist approval? So what truth do they have? 🤷 Why do you think theres a Catholic Moritorium which exists not “one” extra Catholic has entered Russia since 1917. Not ONE!. The Fear of God, and Gods True Church is the reason. They don’t want Russia consecrated or have to deal with 50-60 % population of Catholics and the Pope. Immediatly it defeats communism. And in that area and geographic location the Catholic Church would catch on like wild-fire. The Pope shouls consecrate Russia just as Mary said and God confirmed. That is the issue coming down the pipe. Russia’s error.
But I’ll tell you this, we haven’t defeated communism yet. So the ROC has much to suffer still.
Wow, Gary, I just tiptoed around these topics, you state it as a matter of fact.

It would do good for the Orthodox to evangelize their own societies, then protest the Popes and try and evangelize the western societies, before the gates close again, should communism regain control in different form. Orthodox should water the seed from their martyrs while there is still time to do so. That is why I am of the Opinion that it is great that Orthodox remain Orthodox.
 
I actually think Communism is a thing of the past and where it still exists, like in China, it is more of a national socialism and a far cry from real communism. Cuba, Laos, N.Korea, Vietnam, all pretty weak. Radical Islam is THE thing to fear bigtime, not the hammer and cicle.
 
Wow, Gary, I just tiptoed around these topics, you state it as a matter of fact.

It would do good for the Orthodox to evangelize their own societies, then protest the Popes and try and evangelize the western societies, before the gates close again, should communism regain control in different form. Orthodox should water the seed from their martyrs while there is still time to do so. That is why I am of the Opinion that it is great that Orthodox remain Orthodox.
Perhaps the pope of Rome would do well to take your advice and stay out of Russia? 😉 I’m with Scott on this, and I don’t understand why you and Gary are going off about communism. :confused:

In Christ,
Andrew
 
Russia is an unstable place politically. I feel sorry for Medvedev trying to navigate Russia into the 21st Century with democracy when the former KGB Putin has done everything he can to keep the state running the media and limiting freedom. There is so much drug-dealing, mafia, and organized crime as well as Putin trying to resist Westernization of the economy, internet, infrastucture, banking, and freedoms of expression that Medvedev wants. Putin is a statist, a Stalinesque figure, and a dinosaur. I’ve read that a lot of Orthodox intellectuals have his ear.

Russia is a country I still do not trust. They sell arms to Islamic fascist nations and it’s awfully odd how those Kalishnakov AK-47’s find their way into blood diamond labor camps, death squads in Africa, and any terrorist’s bag of tricks. They deal with Iran, North Korea, and all sorts of unsavory folks. Once a KGB, always a KGB.

I don’t think Putin will bring back communist, more like a national socialist cult of personality a la Stalin without the collectivisation and the outward trappings of communism. Putin is a thug and he’s in it for himself more than he is idealism about Karl Marx.

I think we need to worry about Russia’s arms-dealing and Putin’s anti-NATO, anti-American, crooked alliances. How he dealt with Chechnya and his sympathies for the Georgian persecutions, etc. as well as paranoia about anyone criticizing him, that’s what to worry about. But perhaps if he continues to run his country into the ground, maybe the Red Menace will return as a reaction to him! 😛
 
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Perhaps the pope of Rome would do well to take your advice and stay out of Russia? 😉 I’m with Scott on this, and I don’t understand why you and Gary are going off about communism. :confused:

In Christ,
Andrew
Communism relates to the ongoing schism. As Gary explained, we have not heard the last from communism. I have yet to understand why Russia fear the popes?
 
I think if papal blessings or consecrations could topple evil regimes, then the nazis, pol pot’s khmer government, all the evil in Darfur and Kosovo and Rwanda, and the communism that is left in the world would’ve been toast…

I’m not sure Russia fears the popes? I think they fear the corrupt government, mafioso organized crime, Putin, and former GRU/KGB types who are basically like the Who song: “come meet the new boss, same as the old boss!”

Russia is a corrupt country that went straight from feudalism to communism. Even Karl Marx said in Das Kapital that a nation must pass through capitalism to experience the pitfalls of it to attain to the “utopia” of Communism. The Russians skipped capitalism altogether. It’s like going from the 1300’s to the 1900’s with a slap to the face and heaps of persecution. They’re new to capitalism and they’re only getting freedom in small doses thanks to Putin and the statists.
Communism relates to the ongoing schism. As Gary explained, we have not heard the last from communism. I have yet to understand why Russia fear the popes?
 
Communism relates to the ongoing schism. As Gary explained, we have not heard the last from communism. I have yet to understand why Russia fear the popes?
Newt Gingrich (who converted to Catholicism) recently produced a documentary (which I highly recommend) called Nine Days that Changed the World. You will see how Pope John Paul II started the collapse of Communism with his visit to Poland and understand why they fear the Pope.
 
I still wonder how he got the Church to ok his divorces and past adultery action in order to become Catholic. He can’t be validly married in Catholic eyes.

Gingrich is essentially a simpleton. Everything he does is a simplistic comparison to WWII. He thinks everything is a repeat of Hitler, Stalin, or death camps. He calls everyone Neville Chamberlain, FDR, Hitler, or Churchill. No matter what the subject, place, or circumstances, Gingrich thinks it’s 1942. :rolleyes:
Newt Gingrich (who converted to Catholicism) recently produced a documentary (which I highly recommend) called Nine Days that Changed the World. You will see how Pope John Paul II started the collapse of Communism with his visit to Poland and understand why they fear the Pope.
 
I think if papal blessings or consecrations could topple evil regimes, then the nazis, pol pot’s khmer government, all the evil in Darfur and Kosovo and Rwanda, and the communism that is left in the world would’ve been toast…

I’m not sure Russia fears the popes? I think they fear the corrupt government, mafioso organized crime, Putin, and former GRU/KGB types who are basically like the Who song: “come meet the new boss, same as the old boss!”

Russia is a corrupt country that went straight from feudalism to communism. Even Karl Marx said in Das Kapital that a nation must pass through capitalism to experience the pitfalls of it to attain to the “utopia” of Communism. The Russians skipped capitalism altogether. It’s like going from the 1300’s to the 1900’s with a slap to the face and heaps of persecution. They’re new to capitalism and they’re only getting freedom in small doses thanks to Putin and the statists.
The pope did not go into communist Russia on his own doing, the pope was following divine providence. The evil regime’s you mentioned have been dealt with and will be dealt with God’s own time. If divine providence calls on Peter or other apostolic successors to water the seed of martyrs left in these areas where evil persist and exist, until another comes and reaps the crop, remains in the divine providence to reveal them.

This follows the biblical apostolic evangelical principles today, although, it would appear the Orthodox is skipping over the watering of the seed from their martyrs and attacking the hand (pope) which tilled the soil for them to water and hopefully reap a crop. Just as you stated their secular powers “skipping over capitalism”.
 
Newt Gingrich (who converted to Catholicism) recently produced a documentary (which I highly recommend) called Nine Days that Changed the World. You will see how Pope John Paul II started the collapse of Communism with his visit to Poland and understand why they fear the Pope.
That’s interesting, Newt may have great insights here, because he was in the political arena during the end of the cold war, and probably saw some light leading to his conversion to Catholicism. Is this Nine Days that Changed the World in book form?

Can you give a prelude to why this documentary reveals communism in fear of the popes?
 
That’s interesting, Newt may have great insights here, because he was in the political arena during the end of the cold war, and probably saw some light leading to his conversion to Catholicism. Is this Nine Days that Changed the World in book form?

Can you give a prelude to why this documentary reveals communism in fear of the popes?
The short story is when Pope John Paul II became Pope the Poles were inspired and excited that a Pole had become Pope. Pope John Paul II visited Poland in 1979 and prayed before the Painting of the Black Madonna (aka Our Lady of Czestochowa, Queen of Poland) holding the baby Jesus.

Shortly afterwards in 1980, the leader of the solidarity movement (Lech Walesa) place Black Madonna lapel pin on his jacket. Poles knew it to be a subversive message in related to the Pope’s 1979 visit. More and more Poles started following his example.

The Poles demanded the Pope be permitted to visit them on the feast day of the Black Madonna. The U.S.S.R. knew that preventing the Polish Pope from visiting his homeland would cause problems. However, because they did not want to permit John Paul II to go for a two-day trip for to celebrate the feast day of the Black Madonna because it would just embolden the movement of wearing the Black Madonna lapels. The Pope made a deal with the communists. He basically said, “OK I won’t come for the two days for the feast day, instead give me nine days in another time.” The communists agreed. What they didn’t realize was that by giving the Pope nine days instead of two days, they had given the Pope a larger time period to embolden the Poles. It did work and the Black Madonna lapels became more and more visible and the Solidarity movement grew more and more, and the communist could do nothing to stop it. This of course ended communism in Poland which of course lead to the end of communism in eastern Europe.
 
Are you basing this belief on the Fatima revelations?
Well there’s a relelation involved, but no. The school of Lenin been teaching total world domination for decades. The war between communism and capitalism is inevitable according to them.

I posted all the books on this I have to find the thread. And I’ll add it. Most of it comes from KGB defectors to the USA.

Add the present situation of Iran/Russia and the problem with Israel? Islam though a problem in itself, really is the puppet in this. And thats not say that at some level demonic forces exist there. But Russia is just waiting to get strong enough, look how they affected Red China?

God Bless, GT
 
War to the hilt between communism and capitalism is enevitable. Today of course Russia is not stroing enough. But they are much stronger than 15 years ago. What another 5-10 years max?

To win we shall need the element of surprize the Western World will have to be put to sleep.

So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. Their will be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries stupid and decadent will rejoice to cooperate in their own destruction. And leap and another chance to be friends.

As soon as their guard is down will will smash them with clenched fists.

“Dimitri Manuilsky, Professor at the Lenin School of Political Warfare, Moscow,”

Or the books written by KGB defector Antolliy Galitsyn “New Lies for the Old” or “The Perestroika Decpetion”

Rated at 95% correct with re-structuring of the West to think Russsia is collasping, with one world rule of communism?

Its well documented.

When will the problem come to a head? Considering these are 1995 comments? I would say we are looking at a bad situation real soon. Obviously I hope we avpoid this and World peace reigns, but when has that ever happened?

GT
 
I don’t think Russia is at all a communist country by a long shot. I do think it is a disaster. If Putin is able to take things back, it’ll get worse. He’s anti-West as they come. The State controls the media too much and some old KGB/GRU cronies are still powerful either at the state level or in organized crime. Russia is a danger in their arms dealing and in their support for rogue states like North Korea, Cuba, Laos, Iran, etc. But I don’t think there is an impending communism-capitalism war coming. I see no evidence of that. China is the only successful communist country out there and the reason they are is because they’re not really communist anymore! 😛 There is too much private ownership of capital and profit. They have too much private entrepreneurialship, too many foreign investment ties, and their money is so tied up in U.S. treasury bonds and U.S. companies that our downfall is their downfall so China is not a real threat.

What is a real threat? Radical Islam and out-of-control secularism itself IMO.

As teenagers might say, “communism is SO twentieth century!” 😛
War to the hilt between communism and capitalism is enevitable. Today of course Russia is not stroing enough. But they are much stronger than 15 years ago. What another 5-10 years max?

To win we shall need the element of surprize the Western World will have to be put to sleep.

So we shall begin by launching the most spectacular peace movement on record. Their will be electrifying overtures and unheard of concessions. The capitalist countries stupid and decadent will rejoice to cooperate in their own destruction. And leap and another chance to be friends.

As soon as their guard is down will will smash them with clenched fists.

“Dimitri Manuilsky, Professor at the Lenin School of Political Warfare, Moscow,”

Or the books written by KGB defector Antolliy Galitsyn “New Lies for the Old” or “The Perestroika Decpetion”

Rated at 95% correct with re-structuring of the West to think Russsia is collasping, with one world rule of communism?

Its well documented.

When will the problem come to a head? Considering these are 1995 comments? I would say we are looking at a bad situation real soon. Obviously I hope we avpoid this and World peace reigns, but when has that ever happened?

GT
 
I don’t think Russia is at all a communist country by a long shot. I do think it is a disaster. If Putin is able to take things back, it’ll get worse. He’s anti-West as they come. The State controls the media too much and some old KGB/GRU cronies are still powerful either at the state level or in organized crime. Russia is a danger in their arms dealing and in their support for rogue states like North Korea, Cuba, Laos, Iran, etc. But I don’t think there is an impending communism-capitalism war coming. I see no evidence of that. China is the only successful communist country out there and the reason they are is because they’re not really communist anymore! 😛 There is too much private ownership of capital and profit. They have too much private entrepreneurialship, too many foreign investment ties, and their money is so tied up in U.S. treasury bonds and U.S. companies that our downfall is their downfall so China is not a real threat.

What is a real threat? Radical Islam and out-of-control secularism itself IMO.

As teenagers might say, “communism is SO twentieth century!” 😛
Well considering what what taught at the school of Lenin this may well be a deception. Russia in many ways resembles capitalism today. If this is the case why support a Nuclear Program with Iran.

Israel in the 90’s discover tunnels which contained enough Nuclear Warheads to distroy Israel. Obviously they were fortunate.

Yet it remains to be seen when power is strong enough and Russsia is capible of waging war what they will do.

They obviously have no agenda of maintaining World Peace what would indicate that? So your impression is world dominance with Capitalism?

The genocide of the Jews is on record today. Theres a massive effort by Christains combined with Jews to get them out of Russia…today.

God Bless, Gary
 
You have to consider Vladimir Putnim controls Russia. really what is he considered? Mafia of Russia? Or authoritarian?

To me they are demonic. (thats how I seee them). Call it what you will. They still have communist ties with other communist countries and their current government has communist leanings and are taking them backwards in their economy. Kind of like us right now

To begin with Communism is an ideal which the USSR attempted to bring about through socialism. Communism has never existed in any sustainable way. If it did exist, then we would all be living in Utopia.:rolleyes:

Nonetheless Russia is not trying to embrace a society based on Biblical teaching. And the same could be said for the USA today though not to the degree of Russia.
 
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