Question concerning gay pride parades

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CHRISTINE77 said:
O come on. What do black pride parades have in common with gay pride parades?
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The idea that there is a moral equivalence between a race that was bought here in chains, bought and sold at will, worked to death, raped at will and discriminated against after they were freed and a group of people who’s only distinguishing characteristic is the manner in which they engage in sex is patently racist
 
estesbob said:
The idea that there is a moral equivalence between a race that was bought here in chains, bought and sold at will, worked to death, raped at will and discriminated against after they were freed and a group of people who’s only distinguishing characteristic is the manner in which they engage in sex is patently racist
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You forgot the condoned harassment, corrective rape, discrimination regarding housing, employment and social services, etc.
 
Joie_de_Vivre said:
You forgot the condoned harassment, corrective rape, discrimination regarding housing, employment and social services, etc.
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Thank you-yes African Americans did endure that in addition to the other things I mentioned
 
estesbob said:
The idea that there is a moral equivalence between a race that was bought here in chains, bought and sold at will, worked to death, raped at will and discriminated against after they were freed and a group of people who’s only distinguishing characteristic is the manner in which they engage in sex is patently racist
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Amen. I don’t think blacks care for the comparison. Highly insulting.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
What do you mean by “corrective rape”?
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Corrective rape is when a man rapes a lesbian to convert her to heterosexuality.
estesbob said:
Race is not morally equivalent to sodomy.
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But race is morally equivalent to sexual orientation, which is what gay pride is about. And people get fired, lose their housing, get raped, get beaten, and get killed for being gay. There is nothing patently racist about saying that. Gays need visibility to keep conservatives from turning America into Russia, which is at the height of immorality at the moment, only beaten by the countries who proscribe the death penalty for gays and lesbians.
 
SMGS127 said:
Corrective rape is when a man rapes a lesbian to convert her to heterosexuality.

But race is morally equivalent to sexual orientation, which is what gay pride is about. And people get fired, lose their housing, get raped, get beaten, and get killed for being gay. There is nothing patently racist about saying that. Gays need visibility to keep conservatives from turning America into Russia, which is at the height of immorality at the moment, only beaten by the countries who proscribe the death penalty for gays and lesbians.
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Corrective rape - O brother, is that streching it - I highly doubt that happens. Sometimes I think gay women are the most hysterical of all women.

As for people being treated badly, no doubt a few have, but it is not common at all.

I would say immigrants, blacks, disabled, mentally challanged people have faced a heck of a lot more abuse than gay people. Most gay people are treated with kid gloves, lest we offend them and they raise a huge stink.
 
Maybe in the Middle East or Africa. Certainly not in the United States.

In any case, women in general could be subjected to it. Not just gay women. Women themselves have been persecuted just for being women.
 
SMGS127 said:
Corrective rape is when a man rapes a lesbian to convert her to heterosexuality.

But race is morally equivalent to sexual orientation, which is what gay pride is about. And people get fired, lose their housing, get raped, get beaten, and get killed for being gay. There is nothing patently racist about saying that. Gays need visibility to keep conservatives from turning America into Russia, which is at the height of immorality at the moment, only beaten by the countries who proscribe the death penalty for gays and lesbians.
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No race is not equivalent to sexual behavior. Having a parade to celebrate sexual deviancy is in no way equivalent to having a Cinco de mayo or Juneteenth parade.
 
That is just not a gay issue. It is a diadvantaged women’s issue, the same as sex trafficing, and forced prostitution. It usually occurs in highly patriarchal societies. Gay pride parades do not happen in those countries.

If gay pride parades were about all these sad issues, it would be a totally different game. Gay pride parades usually involve a lot of people with very little clothing, and dress in drag, celebrating their sexual practices.
 
estesbob said:
Race is not morally equivalent to sodomy.
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CHRISTINE77 said:
Corrective rape - O brother, is that streching it - I highly doubt that happens. Sometimes I think gay women are the most hysterical of all women.
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Lesbian women aren’t the most hysterical, merely less likely to be cowed into submission.
CHRISTINE77 said:
As for people being treated badly, no doubt a few have, but it is not common at all.
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Quite a few have been treated badly especially transwomen of color
CHRISTINE77 said:
I would say immigrants, blacks, disabled, mentally challanged people have faced a heck of a lot more abuse than gay people. Most gay people are treated with kid gloves, lest we offend them and they raise a huge stink.
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Most people treat gay people perfectly fine, but it only takes one to brutalize an LGBT person.
 
Race is not morally equivalent to orientation because a homosexual orientation is an intrinsically disordered one that causes one to sin if it is acted upon. I hope you’re not saying that being black is a proximate cause of sin.
 
SMGS127 said:
But race is morally equivalent to sexual orientation, which is what gay pride is about. And people get fired, lose their housing, get raped, get beaten, and get killed for being gay. There is nothing patently racist about saying that. Gays need visibility to keep conservatives from turning America into Russia, which is at the height of immorality at the moment, only beaten by the countries who proscribe the death penalty for gays and lesbians.
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Race has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

An “orientation” describes the perspective of a subject toward an object. A sexual orientation therefore describes a person (subject) by the object toward which they are sexually attracted: a homosexual is oriented toward someone of the same sex, a bisexual toward both sexes, a pedophile toward children, a sado-masochist toward giving or receiving pain, etc…

By definition, there are an unlimited number of potential sexual orientations. More than just heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, and transgendered. The important thing is distinguishing between orientation and conduct. The right to claim a sexual orientation should not automatically grant a license for sexual conduct.
 
Elizium23 said:
Race is not morally equivalent to orientation because a homosexual orientation is an intrinsically disordered one that causes one to sin if it is acted upon. I hope you’re not saying that being black is a proximate cause of sin.
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Heresy

Homosexuality is objectively disordered insofar as the object is intrinsically disordered.
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Race has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
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She never said it did.
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
An “orientation” describes the perspective of a subject toward an object. A sexual orientation therefore describes a person (subject) by the object toward which they are sexually attracted: a homosexual is oriented toward someone of the same sex, a bisexual toward both sexes, a pedophile toward children, a sado-masochist toward giving or receiving pain, etc…

By definition, there are an unlimited number of potential sexual orientations. More than just heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, and transgendered. The important thing is distinguishing between orientation and conduct. The right to claim a sexual orientation should not automatically grant a license for sexual conduct.
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citing sadomasochism and transgendered as sexual orientations makes it clear you know very little about either sexuality or transgendered people
 
Joie_de_Vivre said:
Heresy

Homosexuality is objectively disordered insofar as the object is intrinsically disordered.
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What heresy? Straight out of the Catechism.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
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The inclination of homosexuality is intrinsically disordered. That’s what I said. Now stop accusing me of heresy. That’s calumny for yourself.
 
Elizium23 said:
What heresy? Straight out of the Catechism.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered
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There’s a big difference between objectively disordered and intrinsically disordered. You said the latter, the Catechism says the former. What you’ve said claims that temptation can be sinful and that is most certainly heretical.
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Joie_de_Vivre said:
She never said it did.
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SMGS127 said:

“But race is morally equivalent to sexual orientation,”

I said: “Race has nothing to do with sexual orientation”

Now you are telling me that she never said what she said???
Joie_de_Vivre said:
citing sadomasochism and transgendered as sexual orientations makes it clear you know very little about either sexuality or transgendered people
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Sadism is the sexual pleasure or gratification in the infliction of pain and suffering upon another person.

The counterpart of sadism is masochism, the sexual pleasure or gratification of having pain or suffering inflicted upon the self, often consisting of sexual fantasies or urges for being beaten, humiliated, bound, tortured, or otherwise made to suffer, either as an enhancement to or a substitute for sexual pleasure.

That is the psychological definition of sadomasochism. Obviously a sexual orientation. Just like pedophilia and bestiality.

I don’t believe “transgendered” to be a sexual orientation, however the gay activist community includes it in their grouping of sexual orientations…(LGBT).
T = Transgendered. So what am I to conclude?

“Sexual orientation” is a highly ambiguous term loaded with hidden false assumptions. We have to be careful with the way it is used. For the gay community, the major purpose of the “sexual orientation theory” is to legitimize and protect homosexual conduct.

In reality, homosexuality is nothing more than same-gender conduct among people who are innately heterosexual. So therefore, the “sexual orientation” of homosexuals is equivalent to pedophilia, sado-masochism, bestiality and many other forms of deviant behavior, or behavior that deviates from the normal design-based function of the human being.

This is why we must be careful with anti-discrimination laws that broadly include “sexual orientation”
 
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