CET, what is your bible verse that says scripture is the Word of God?
John 10:34-35
“Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;”
Jesus calls the word of God scripture, more spesifically the old testament in this case
And in that bible verse, what was scripture at the time of the writing? In the NT, St. Peter refers to only Paul’s writings as scripture. So you have to know what is scripture, in its entirety and how did the Church decide what was scripture.
As said… Jesus refers to a passage in the old testament as scripture, while saying it cannot be broken… Go figure… I mean maybe Jesus word doesn’t count as much as Peter’s?
No, not “us”. Christ was speaking to his apostles as this time, not to the crowds. “You” = the apostles = the first bishops. He was instructing his first Catholic Bishops, telling them that he would lead them to all truth on faith and morals.
Okay, then i guess you can nice and quietly refer to the scripture that names all desciples as bishops of the catholic church… Otherwise it is a assumption, and assumptions don’t get very far without solid evidence… Yes i agree they became big personalities in the first church, but is there ANY evidence at all that this was even called the catholic church? As far as i’ve studied the bible, i haven’t even found -one- scripture to support that assumption. Besides if you look at the time of pentecost, the Spirit of Truth were given to about a 120 of Jesus’ desciples… Were all those bishops in the catholic church? Even the women? (Acts 1:15-26 + 2:1)
12 “I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Paul wasn’t even one of the 12, yet he has very much to say when it comes to things pertaining to the law, and also other theology…He was a great teacher, and he even reproved Peter at one point in Galatians 2:11-21
How then is it that a person that is not a “bishop” so freely can reprove and scold the “first pope”? I believe it is because the truth is given to laypersons as much as leaders of the church… It is up to every single person alone to decide what direction they want to follow. Their own interpretation, or the interpretation given by the Holy Spirit.
No it does matter. Christ himself set up this Church with seven sacraments, including the Eucharist to give us the grace needed for our salvation. Christ is clear that we need to listen to the Church. Again, the “you” that he is speaking to is his first Catholic bishops, the apostles. You are not hearing those who Christ himself sent.
16 “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
Christ built the church on the cliff, which is Himself. Peter was named Chephas, which means pebble, And Christ is the one that is repeatedly called the cliff several times through scripture. And Jesus never set up anything called the eucharist. Of course you could try to find it in your bible… I believe you’ll have a hard time with that though, even in your catholic bible…
No easily. The Eithiopian eunuch needed help and St Peter said Paul’s writings were difficult … and there are 40,000 Christian denominations all believing differently on faith and morals using the same bible as you. So no, not really.
He says that they are difficult, yes… not impossible, and he also says who are prone to misinterpret them… “in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”
The unlearned and unstable, hmm… In what? The scriptures? Interesting that this group of people also wrest the other scriptures as well… pretty serious that…
CET, take no offense at this personally, but it is a fact that Adventists allow abortions in their hospitals. This is opposite to the commandments and Christ’s words below. This is what happens when one reads the bible, removed from the Church from which it was written by, for and about. So are you saying that someone in the Adventist Church, read the scripture below, prayed about it and believed that the Holy Spirit guided the Adventist Church to have such a policy?
Well, i take no offence at all, i don’t agree with every adventist out there… And i don’t believe it is right for the adventist hospitals to allow such a thing… But that is besides the point… Truth is still truth, even if other people don’t follow it… And as christians we are obligated to follow Christ, not other humans. People believe that the Holy Spirit guides them to a lot of things, even contraticting things, which makes at least one of the partys wrong, maybe even both…
Kind Regards
-c-
Just not Roman Catholic.
I do agree with how you said it.
boring CAF would be if I did that. 