Question for LDS "Do you Marry the dead?"

[KathleenGee]

The answer is No.

Everyone on the planet must be baptized into the Mormon church, whether we protest or not.

http//famousdeadmormons.com/index.php?id=136

Ironically, it was John Paul II who declared Mormon baptisms invalid. What is bound on earth is bound in heaven…

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010605_battesimo_mormoni_

Then there are other articles stating records show John Paul II was baptized into the Mormon church 6 times.

I wonder how many times I have been …

 

[twopekinguys]

The Mormon Church baptized John Paul II into it after his death.

This shows a few things.

1. A **total **disregard for the deceased person’s wishes, and the way they clearly led their life.
2. The whole honor code thing is not working
3. The “filters” that the lds system was supposed to implement during the Jewish Holocaust situation either weren’t added, or are not being used, or was simply a smoke screen.

I have to wonder, since my parents are both deceased, and I am the one with “legal standing”, as heir, and executor of their estate if I could bring legal action if someone decided to do temple work for them.

I would also have to wonder if I could go back several generations, since I am the last in line?

hmmmmm

 

[KathleenGee]

I do not know…but what I do know is that JPII beat them to it…and what is bound by Peter is bound in heaven…

To baptize JPII 6 times no less from another link I read is just ridiculous, and to do such a thing to people is also ridiculous.

You cannot wash off your Christian baptism. And the Catholic Church, Christ’s Church, has the power to invalidate any such Mormon baptism. Mormon baptism simply is not valid.

What is recognized is Christian baptism by the Catholic Church, no matter what denomination.

 

[lax16]

I do not know…but what I do know is that JPII beat them to it…and what is bound by Peter is bound in heaven…

To baptize JPII 6 times no less from another link I read is just ridiculous, and to do such a thing to people is also ridiculous.

You cannot wash off your Christian baptism. And the Catholic Church, Christ’s Church, has the power to invalidate any such Mormon baptism. Mormon baptism simply is not valid.

What is recognized is Christian baptism by the Catholic Church, no matter what denomination.

Okay, now who did the LDS ask permission of to baptize Blessed John Paul II?

Thanks for the website on famous mormons - my boys were laughing their heads off and decided there must be some great party planned in the next life - with beer, comedians, burlesque dancers, rappers…

 

[lax16]

This shows a few things.

1. A **total **disregard for the deceased person’s wishes, and the way they clearly led their life.
2. The whole honor code thing is not working
3. The “filters” that the lds system was supposed to implement during the Jewish Holocaust situation either weren’t added, or are not being used, or was simply a smoke screen.

I have to wonder, since my parents are both deceased, and I am the one with “legal standing”, as heir, and executor of their estate if I could bring legal action if someone decided to do temple work for them.

I would also have to wonder if I could go back several generations, since I am the last in line?

hmmmmm

I agree. I think it is time we all take action and tell the Mormons that they do not have the right to look up our ancestors and fiddle with their information and then have it on an LDS database.
Excuse me…but who do you think you are accessing this personal information without the request of someone in the family…and you can’t tell me that all of the famous baptized dead mormons had the permission of family members to baptize them.

So…how do we all go about getting our families away from this type of intrusion?

 

[lax16]

No–I think if you will study the actual agreements they do not “insure” that something of a temple ordinance where someone submitted a name and was not following the rules that are in place could not happen. They have reiterated that the rules for submission are in place, and are emphasized to the members.

Who submitted a name? A family member?

Or can any LDS person decide to baptize Tupac or Blessed Mother Theresa just because they are famous and they are known names that are easy to research?

I highly doubt Blessed Mother Theresa’s family agreed to her baptism.

Also, are these baptized persons also married by proxy in the temple? Was Blessed John Paul II married to someone - how do we access this information?

 

[zaffiroborant]

1. The whole honor code thing is not working

No it’s not working, that much is obvious from the insincere words of the LDS church and from the less than honorable behavior of the members. No wonder BYU needs such an extensive honor code and appropriate action if it’s not followed.

 

[sojo]

No its not right and its morally reprehensible what the Mormons are doing. But to keep things in perspective, they aren’t really doing anything except wasting their own time and getting water-logged as their baptism is not valid and just plain silly. I’ve spoken to some young people who had to go in and out of the font and even they don’t believe a bit of what they are doing.

I say all this understanding that many Catholic rites and rituals seem just as ludicrous. But Lord help us, LDS is the only faith I know of that tries to save other people of different faiths even after they’ve already died!

I’m not happy that some of my family (holocaust victims) most likely have gone through this bogus ceremony conducted by a young white person who could care less and just wants to dry off, but honestly, has anything changed? My relatives were Jewish and died Jewish and went to heaven, hell or purgatory Jewish. The LDS ritual had no efficacy, so???

Which isn’t to say we should just let the LDS keep on with this practice, but we mustn’t over react.

 

[heathernoel]

I was told by a Mormon friend that if I, or any family member, am rooted in my beliefs then what she does in my name shouldn’t bother me.

It’s reprehensible. We PRAY for souls in purgatory. We don’t baptize them.

Can I just ask: Who verified the fact that someone DREAMED George Washington wanted to be baptized?

 

[Inishfree]

The Mormon Church baptized John Paul II into it after his death.

What?

 

[lax16]

I was told by a Mormon friend that if I, or any family member, am rooted in my beliefs then what she does in my name shouldn’t bother me.

It’s reprehensible. We PRAY for souls in purgatory. We don’t baptize them.

Can I just ask: Who verified the fact that someone DREAMED George Washington wanted to be baptized?

So…in other words…whether you give permission or not your friend is going to continue to baptize your family members?

 

[KathleenGee]

The Mormon church was given directive by the Catholic Church to not do such things, especially illicitly getting our sacramental records, that perhaps hold up even better than dental records.

The Jewish people’s whose relations died in the Holocaust, were very upset this was being done without their consent.

There are organizations doing this, but when people start investigating, this practice continues by Mormons.

 

[heathernoel]

So…in other words…whether you give permission or not your friend is going to continue to baptize your family members?

We share relatives going back generations…yes. she plans on continuing

 

[campeador]

Hi, Rock17,

1. He knew He was going to die at an age when most men would be fathers and husbands, so I think it would make complete sense that He would not have married–nor did He need marriage in order to “progress” since He was already perfect and perfectly loving with perfect understanding and compassion.

He would not have the same standards as for mortal people, since we are here to “progress” toward “be ye therefore perfect”.

…

Wishing a peaceful and happy day to all.

Disingenuous, as you know Parker.

When asked if Jesus was married, President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: “Yes! But do not preach it! The Lord advised us not to cast pearls before swine!” link

Not ‘official’ LDS teaching, I’m sure you’ll say, but held as true by most LDS all the same.

 

[rock17]

Disingenuous, as you know Parker.

When asked if Jesus was married, President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: “Yes! But do not preach it! The Lord advised us not to cast pearls before swine!” link

Not ‘official’ LDS teaching, I’m sure you’ll say, but held as true by most LDS all the same.

Thank you Campeador!
There has been alot of back and forth and I would like a sraightforward answer from PakerD, Do the LDS baptise the dead without the permission of the family?

 

[ParkerD]

Disingenuous, as you know Parker.

When asked if Jesus was married, President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote: “Yes! But do not preach it! The Lord advised us not to cast pearls before swine!” link

Not ‘official’ LDS teaching, I’m sure you’ll say, but held as true by most LDS all the same.

Hi, Campeador,

I was and am aware that some people think Jesus was married. I also am aware as that link noted, that there is not an official statement of Latter-day Saint belief that either affirms or says He was not married. So, the President of the Quorum of the Twelve could have a studied opinion, and others could, and they could have differing opinions, and the answer is “we don’t know”.

Nor do I agree that “most LDS” hold it as true–perhaps a majority, perhaps not–I don’t know, having not seen a survey nor heard it discussed often enough to think I have a sampling of the pros and cons as a valid statistical sample.

 

[rock17]

Hi, Campeador,

I was and am aware that some people think Jesus was married. I also am aware as that link noted, that there is not an official statement of Latter-day Saint belief that either affirms or says He was not married. So, the President of the Quorum of the Twelve could have a studied opinion, and others could, and they could have differing opinions, and the answer is “we don’t know”.

Nor do I agree that “most LDS” hold it as true–perhaps a majority, perhaps not–I don’t know, having not seen a survey nor heard it discussed often enough to think I have a sampling of the pros and cons as a valid statistical sample.

I know in the Catholic Church we have a doctrine on almost everything like the “marriage status of Jesus” so that is why I know I am asking for the teaching of the LDS Church on the matter not someones opinion from a survey.

 

[ParkerD]

Thank you Campeador!
There has been alot of back and forth and I would like a sraightforward answer from ParkerD, Do the LDS baptise the dead without the permission of the family?

Rock17,

As I noted, those submitting names for temple ordinances agree specifically on the website with the terms and conditions; and among those is that if a person was born in the last 95 years, then closest family member permission for a temple ordinance submission is required and is being assured by the person submitting the name for ordinances if they proceed.

So if someone submits a name without having followed the terms and conditions, then it means they have ignored those terms and have acted out of the bounds of the conditions they had agreed to when they pressed the “I agree” entry that permitted them to go on with their submission.

Also, when a person says “the LDS” or says “the Mormon Church” did such and such with a temple ordinance, it is an incorrect supposition being made. The individual who agreed to the terms and submitted the ordinance work is the person who took responsibility for following the terms.

For those born earlier than the past 95 years who have died, then a family relative can submit the work but it is still preferable that if they know the near next of kin, they would ask permission before proceeding.

 

[rock17]

Rock17,

As I noted, those submitting names for temple ordinances agree specifically on the website with the terms and conditions; and among those is that if a person was born in the last 95 years, then closest family member permission for a temple ordinance submission is required and is being assured by the person submitting the name for ordinances if they proceed.

So if someone submits a name without having followed the terms and conditions, then it means they have ignored those terms and have acted out of the bounds of the conditions they had agreed to when they pressed the “I agree” entry that permitted them to go on with their submission.

Also, when a person says “the LDS” or says “the Mormon Church” did such and such with a temple ordinance, it is an incorrect supposition being made. The individual who agreed to the terms and submitted the ordinance work is the person who took responsibility for following the terms.

Okay but it is still possible for people to break the rules and submitt it anyways? So there is nothing to prevent the rules from being broken?

 

[Inishfree]

Rock17,

As I noted, those submitting names for temple ordinances agree specifically on the website with the terms and conditions; and among those is that if a person was born in the last 95 years, then closest family member permission for a temple ordinance submission is required and is being assured by the person submitting the name for ordinances if they proceed.

So if someone submits a name without having followed the terms and conditions, then it means they have ignored those terms and have acted out of the bounds of the conditions they had agreed to when they pressed the “I agree” entry that permitted them to go on with their submission.

Also, when a person says “the LDS” or says “the Mormon Church” did such and such with a temple ordinance, it is an incorrect supposition being made. The individual who agreed to the terms and submitted the ordinance work is the person who took responsibility for following the terms.

For those born earlier than the past 95 years who have died, then a family relative can submit the work but it is still preferable that if they know the near next of kin, they would ask permission before proceeding.

I would like to know who submitted Pope John Paul the second. He did not have a wife or children. Everyone knows Blessed John Paul was the leader of the Catholic Church.

I am still in shock over reading that he was baptised into Mormanism. Sorry, but I feel like this is spitting on the face of Catholics.