Question for LDS "Do you Marry the dead?"

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ParkerD said:
Rock17,

As I noted, those submitting names for temple ordinances agree specifically on the website with the terms and conditions; and among those is that if a person was born in the last 95 years, then closest family member permission for a temple ordinance submission is required and is being assured by the person submitting the name for ordinances if they proceed.

So if someone submits a name without having followed the terms and conditions, then it means they have ignored those terms and have acted out of the bounds of the conditions they had agreed to when they pressed the “I agree” entry that permitted them to go on with their submission.

Also, when a person says “the LDS” or says “the Mormon Church” did such and such with a temple ordinance, it is an incorrect supposition being made. The individual who agreed to the terms and submitted the ordinance work is the person who took responsibility for following the terms.

For those born earlier than the past 95 years who have died, then a family relative can submit the work but it is still preferable that if they know the near next of kin, they would ask permission before proceeding.
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Unfortunately Parker, this all doesn’t wash.

The mormon church asks, and assumes that the closest living relative gave permission for the work to be done.

With something so large, there should be, and should have been a safe guard in place. Such as, listing the name of the closest relative who gave permission. Possiblly a form granting that permission. Simple safeguards such as these could save alot of problems.

Also, it is my understanding that it isn’t “preferable”, but it is “required” to get the next of kin’s permission. There is a HUGE difference between the two.

I also think you’re misrepresenting whether the mormon church did it, or the members. It is a tenant of your faith to do this. Your leadership expects members to do this, the guidelines and rules are set by your church leadership, so yes, it is everyone involved in the process, including the first presidency, and your church as a whole.
 
If deceased family members are only listed. Birth/death and the person who submitted them does not return to the Morman Church. What happens then?
 
Inishfree said:
If deceased family members are only listed. Birth/death and the person who submitted them does not return to the Morman Church. What happens then?
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Inishfree,

I don’t understand your question, if you’re asking me. If a person submits for temple ordinance work for a deceased person, then the website does store that person’s name as having submitted for the ordinance work to be done.

By the way, I have ancestry from Scotland (also England), and enjoyed reading about your ancestry, so thank you.
 
ParkerD said:
Inishfree,

I don’t understand your question, if you’re asking me. If a person submits for temple ordinance work for a deceased person, then the website does store that person’s name as having submitted for the ordinance work to be done.

By the way, I have ancestry from Scotland (also England), and enjoyed reading about your ancestry, so thank you.
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Hi Parker,

I’m not sure. I just saw two names (grand parents) listed on the Mormon Genology website. Only, birth and death were listed. No baptism records or anything like that. The relative who placed them their has been in a nursing home for around three years and does not attend a Temple. She was Mormon for only a few years. I’m not sure if she attended the LDS on a regular basis. But, I think she was baptised Mormon.

Thanks, by the way for your reply.
 
I know this question has already been brought up but who in Pope JP2 cases would the mormon church ask or recieve a reconmend from for his baptism?
 
rock17 said:
I know in the Catholic Church we have a doctrine on almost everything like the “marriage status of Jesus” so that is why I know I am asking for the teaching of the LDS Church on the matter not someones opinion from a survey.
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Protestants also believe that Jesus was never married.
 
rock17 said:
Thank you Campeador!
There has been alot of back and forth and I would like a sraightforward answer from PakerD, Do the LDS baptise the dead without the permission of the family?
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I’m sorry my friend, but I doubt you get a straight answer from the LDS. They tend to hold back on many of their beliefs. Mormons call it ‘milk before meat’.
 
rock17 said:
Okay but it is still possible for people to break the rules and submitt it anyways? So there is nothing to prevent the rules from being broken?
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Rock17,

I responded earlier to a similar kind of question.

Maybe if you can move in your mind from a sphere of “big brother is watching” to a sphere of “God has expectations and has entrusted us to keep our covenants, promises, and contracts” then you will be able to comprehend that the concept “learn correct principles, and govern yourself” applies in a religious setting wherein covenants with God are absolutely considered binding; then it may begin to make sense that having high expectations of people, entrusting them to follow rules and govern themselves rather than “try and get away with something”, is the “higher law” way.
 
ParkerD said:
Rock17,

I responded earlier to a similar kind of question.

Maybe if you can move in your mind from a sphere of “big brother is watching” to a sphere of “God has expectations and has entrusted us to keep our covenants, promises, and contracts” then you will be able to comprehend that the concept “learn correct principles, and govern yourself” applies in a religious setting wherein covenants with God are absolutely considered binding; then it may begin to make sense that having high expectations of people, entrusting them to follow rules and govern themselves rather than “try and get away with something”, is the “higher law” way.
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I would say the Catholic religion is very that way when it comes to being true to your self and not needing a police force to follow you around, but you are dealing with people who are not mormon and thier families so I am just thinking when a institution is working with outsiders they should follow a set of rules everyone can accept. Especially if the trust is not there to begin with.
 
ParkerD said:
Rock17,

I responded earlier to a similar kind of question.

Maybe if you can move in your mind from a sphere of “big brother is watching” to a sphere of “God has expectations and has entrusted us to keep our covenants, promises, and contracts” then you will be able to comprehend that the concept “learn correct principles, and govern yourself” applies in a religious setting wherein covenants with God are absolutely considered binding; then it may begin to make sense that having high expectations of people, entrusting them to follow rules and govern themselves rather than “try and get away with something”, is the “higher law” way.
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Well that would be quite lovely if LDS governed themselves accordingly but unfortunately there are many instances that show this is not the case. LDS do not seem to adhere to this “higher law” and your church has nothing but insincere words for those people impacted by your many members who don’t keep their “covenants” and “promises”. It appears they are unaware of this “higher law” you seem to have so much confidence in. Your churches lack of concern over this looks a lot like people who let their children run ruff shod over those around them. Except of course we are talking about adults who made “covenants” and “promises” and supposedly subscribe to a “higher law”.🤷
 
campeador said:
I’m sorry my friend, but I doubt you get a straight answer from the LDS. They tend to hold back on many of their beliefs. Mormons call it ‘milk before meat’.
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I agree. I am not getting any straight answers either.

I just want to know how. I can remove the names of my ancestors from the Mormon data base.
 
You can check out about JPII here:

www.salamandersociety.com/temple/mormon_jewish_temple_baptism/

Right now, inspite of the depression, the Mormon Church is now building 22 temples throughout the world. I now realize the significance and motivation why they are doing this…to make the whole world Mormon—behind your back.

Now seeing the action done on John Paul II, I am losing my indifference to their activities.

Their baptisms are not recognized by Christ. But what they are doing to non-Mormons, and to our present Blessed, this has to come out. I am contacting a source in Italy now.

Recorded baptisms of John Paul II:

April 11, 2006 Ogden Utah Temple
April 19, 2006 Madrid, Spain Temple
April 20, 2006 Jordan River, Utah Temple
April 26, 2009 Salt Lake City, Utah Temple
April 25, 2009 Idaho Falls, Idaho Temple

John Paul II is a confirmed member of the Church of Latter Day Saints by proxy, December 1, 2009–I believe, San Diego, California.

After baptism, the deceased is then confirmed …so he has been confirmed 6 times.

Baptized and confirmed again, April 23, 2011 in Logan, Utah. His status, “In Progress”, and then later, “Processed”.

I always have a creepy feeling driving by the state temple in my daily commute and now I know why, and that there is a particular significance for them, a great triumph, to be able to build their huge temple in the countryside of Rome…competition with cover-up.
 
Unfortunately the LDS church has access to a bunch of different records. Here is the official site of the LDS church for family research:
familysearch.org/
It doesn’t tell you of temple work however

The old version of the site kind of does:
familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=search_all1.asp&clear_form=true

Of course you could always go to a FamilySearch center at a mormon church near you:
familysearch.org/locations
Those places have records of the temple work done for people and where you can submit a name for work to be done. When I was younger I used to spend whole summers in the local center near my house researching for my family (before I left the LDS church)
 
Thanks, Gatewood…but I am now seeing why the Mormons have been so secretive about their temples…I see the one by me open with cars in the parking lot on Saturday about 7 am when driving home from night cases…

Alot is coming to light…I just contacted a source in Italy; I have one here in my city whose organization goes all the way up to proximates with Pope Benedict.
 
I have been in some of the temples growing up and I did in fact do baptisms for the dead when I was 12. Everyone in the temple is dressed in solid white (like angels) and the interiors are ornately decorated (supposed to resemble heaven) I always felt a little uneasy I guess about some things that my mother wouldn’t even tell me about. Now that I am Catholic she says she is basically forbidden to share anything with me at all.
 
I will hope Peter John can step in to explain this, and give us perspective…

Also, it makes me wonder what else Mormonism is hiding…I did contact my friend who has associations at the Vatican…

Of course, their rites have no effect on us…but I experience this chagrin more for those of the sacrament of Holy Orders and the Blessed/Saints…too many hands on that which is consecrated…follow me?..and in JPII’s case, not just that he is baptized, but that he is now considered a member of the Mormon church.

Yes, I hope we can have some more balance perspective here…

Thanks, Gatewood.
 
ParkerD said:
Rock17,

I responded earlier to a similar kind of question.

Maybe if you can move in your mind from a sphere of “big brother is watching” to a sphere of “God has expectations and has entrusted us to keep our covenants, promises, and contracts” then you will be able to comprehend that the concept “learn correct principles, and govern yourself” applies in a religious setting wherein covenants with God are absolutely considered binding; then it may begin to make sense that having high expectations of people, entrusting them to follow rules and govern themselves rather than “try and get away with something”, is the “higher law” way.
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Before I respond to KathleenG’s invitation, I would like to know if you (or any other LDS here) would be upset if a Catholic relative of a Mormon who died had a Mass offered on their behalf? If Catholic relatives prayed Rosaries for them?

How would you consider such actions? I know how I would have felt as a Mormon, but I do not want to put any words in anyone’s mouth.
 
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