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gazelam said:
That’s the most compelling reason I’ve ever seen to leave the Mormon Church. I’m going to become a Quaker thanks to Einstein.

“I consider the Society of Friends the religious community which has the highest moral standards. As far as I know, they have never made evil compromises and are always guided by their conscience. In international life, especially, their influence seems to me very beneficial and effective.”

—Letter to A. Chapple, Australia, February 23, 1954; Einstein Archive 59-405; also quoted in Nathan and Norden, Einstein on Peace P. 510
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I cannot believe you defend the LDS support of Hitler.

Dec 9,1933 - Church News article “Mormonism in The New Germany,” enthusiastically emphasizes parallels “between the LDS Church and some of the ideas and policies of the National Socialists.” First, Nazis have introduced “Fast Sunday.” Second, “it is a very well known fact that Hitler observes a form of living which Mormons term the Word of Wisdom. Finally, due to the importance given to the racial question by Nazis and the almost necessity of proving that one’s grandmother was not a Jewess, there no longer is resistance against genealogical research by German Mormons who now have received letters of encouragement complimenting them for their patriotism.”

Jan 25,1936 - Church News Section photograph of LDS basketball team in Germany giving "Sieg Heil: salute of Nazi Party.

From The Mormon Hierarchy : Extensions of Power

This should not be surprising since the LDS Church has baptized Hitler.

nowscape.com/mormon/hitler_temple_records.htm

wow. just wow.
 
It stems from the 12th article of faith:

“We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.”

Even if/when the law is immoral, stick to the code. Unless you’re Joseph Smith or Brigham Young, who taught polygamy was a higher law and required disobeying secular laws.

Since polygamy was ended, Mormons aren’t dissenters.
 
RebeccaJ said:
It stems from the 12th article of faith:

“We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.”

Even if/when the law is immoral, stick to the code. Unless you’re Joseph Smith or Brigham Young, who taught polygamy was a higher law and required disobeying secular laws.

Since polygamy was ended, Mormons aren’t dissenters.
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“being subject to” does not including saluting with the Zeig Heil and baptizing Hitler…
 
TexanKnight said:
“being subject to” does not including saluting with the Zeig Heil and baptizing Hitler…
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I agree, but I don’t know that Mormon church leaders would.

Was saluting a law? If so they have the part that says: “obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.” Dissent for one young man meant excommunication, though, the Mormon church reinstated him posthumously. Oh wait, is that an admission of doing something wrong? 🙂
 
Kathleen I looked up this word: agnegation

And it could not be found in my online dictionary.

What does it mean?
 
Miriam, you are so dear…

Typo…abnegation…the nothings…we are nothing without God and His saving grace…every day…all the time…avoid pride, vainglory…total dependency on God. We find our self esteem and our life in Him…
 
KathleenGee said:
Miriam, you are so dear…

Typo…abnegation…the nothings…we are nothing without God and His saving grace…every day…all the time…avoid pride, vainglory…total dependency on God. We find our self esteem and our life in Him…
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Ahhh, the infamous typo. I do that all the time, makes me crazy. 😃

Thanks Kathleen for the definition. When I come across words that are unfamiliar I look them up for definition and pronunciation.

And, since I am still a relatively new Catholic there are theological terms that I am still not sure of.
 
Miriam…you do seek objective truth, you know, in using your dictionary…I did 5th year studies in language study and 1 quarter of grad school in linguistics…considering becoming a linguist…words so vulnerable to interpretation that might not be what the word was intended to be…

How long have you been a Catholilc, and sorry if I missed it, what has been your faith tradition?
 
Gazelam…

You should start a new thread like, ‘how one can explain being a Quaker to a searching Mormon’, something…

I work with Jewish clients, and one told me here that a group of Jewish students went on a faith journey through their faith community. They visited various different religions. They decided if they were to leave Judaism that they would turn to becoming a Quaker.

Likewise, I did personal nursing work for a physician who headed a hospital department, worked with so many different people. He told me that if he were to change from being a Quaker, he would either become an Episcopalian or a Roman Catholic.

Seek the truth…and eventually you will find it. It is a journey…and in spite of what religion we are born into, as we grow up, and those who are blessed who want to seek the truth in renunciation of the materialism around us, the Lord does eventually help guide us to it.

Veritatis Splendor…the Splendor of Truth.
 
I am going out for work now.

All of you that can listen …go to www.stlukeproductions.com. On left column, go down to ‘Benedictus for today’…click it.

Listen Leonardo reading from daily reflections in ‘Benedictus’…book that came out…Today Benedict speaks about TRUTH…so incredible!

Another good one was Monday’s, Feb 18. You can go back and forth.

Today is the day the Lord has made…Let us be glad and rejoice!
 
So let me get this straight. When a German Catholic joined the Nazis, collaborated with Nazis, or ever said anything endearing of Nazis, that was a lone Catholic being a bad Catholic. When a German LDS joined the Nazis, collaborated with Nazis, or ever said anything endearing of Nazis, that’s evidence of how the LDS Church was in bed with Nazis.

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Oh, and I almost forgot:

When Quakers commit acts of self-sacrifice, it’s a good reason for Latter-day Saints to become Catholic.

I gotta say, this is one of the most educational fora I’ve ever been a part of. 🙂
 
El_Confundido said:
So let me get this straight. When a German Catholic joined the Nazis, collaborated with Nazis, or ever said anything endearing of Nazis, that was a lone Catholic being a bad Catholic. When a German LDS joined the Nazis, collaborated with Nazis, or ever said anything endearing of Nazis, that’s evidence of how the LDS Church was in bed with Nazis.

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Uh, lds beliefs are racist. Do you not know your own religion? If you did you wouldnt be lds 🤷
 
Uh, are we just tossing around assertions? Cool. let me try.
kimg901 said:
Uh, lds beliefs are racist. Do you not know your own religion? If you did you wouldnt be lds 🤷
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Not they aren’t; Yes I do, and I’m blessed to be LDS.
 
El_Confundido said:
Uh, are we just tossing around assertions? Cool. let me try.

Not they aren’t; Yes I do, and I’m blessed to be LDS.
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They arent? Wow. Do you know the story about Cain and Abel (mormon version) and why we are dark skinned?
 
exiled said:
I’m not sure I understand LDS beliefs, so please correct me if I’m wrong here, either in the question or the presuppositions that led to it.
We are all “spirit children” of God in the spiritual ‘realm’. However, I understand that LDS believe God has a physical body, so #1- can someone explain that? Do we have physical bodies in the spirit world, too?
#2- if we are all literal children of God, does that mean we are marrying and parenting our literal brothers and sisters in this world? If not, please set me straight.
#3-if yes, are we brothers and sisters again when we return to the spirit world, or are we still husbands and wives? Which is what I thought the “sealing” for eternity was about.
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False doctrine isn’t right so it will never make sense. They believe God and some “heavenly mother” literally procreated us. And that is all faithful Mormon’s destinies in the next life.
 
kimg901 said:
They arent? Wow. Do you know the story about Cain and Abel (mormon version) and why we are dark skinned?
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Of course I’m familiar with the story of Cain and Abel, and Laman and Lemuel too. I’m also familiar with the historical conjecture which never has and never will amount to official doctrine of the Church, as to why some individuals are dark while others are light.

What is actual doctrine, is that the Church of Jesus Christ once graced this continent before the conquistadores ever made it here, and as a matter of fact, the Church of Jesus Christ in the New World lasted longer than the Church of Jesus Christ in the Old World. I’d thus wager that the apostatized and corrupted “Church” that the conquistadores brought and forcefully required my ancestors to convert to was likely less correct than their original faith.

If anything Latinos, and all other Book of Mormon peoples have more of a reason to be LDS than Catholic (and we’re slowly changing that 🙂 )
 
El_Confundido said:
So let me get this straight. When a German Catholic joined the Nazis, collaborated with Nazis, or ever said anything endearing of Nazis, that was a lone Catholic being a bad Catholic. When a German LDS joined the Nazis, collaborated with Nazis, or ever said anything endearing of Nazis, that’s evidence of how the LDS Church was in bed with Nazis.

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Seriously? A kid being forced is a lot different than what the LDS adults did. Nice try.
 
El_Confundido said:
Of course I’m familiar with the story of Cain and Abel, and Laman and Lemuel too. I’m also familiar with the historical conjecture which never has and never will amount to official doctrine of the Church, as to why some individuals are dark while others are light.

What is actual doctrine, is that the Church of Jesus Christ once graced this continent before the conquistadores ever made it here, and as a matter of fact, the Church of Jesus Christ in the New World lasted longer than the Church of Jesus Christ in the Old World. I’d thus wager that the apostatized and corrupted “Church” that the conquistadores brought and forcefully required my ancestors to convert to was likely less correct than their original faith.

If anything Latinos, and all other Book of Mormon peoples have more of a reason to be LDS than Catholic (and we’re slowly changing that 🙂 )
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LMAO. You actually bought that line? No evidence what so ever exsists that they were here before the spaniards. DNA has proven joe smith wrong. I think you need to read the other threads relating to mormons and their claims. Wow :rolleyes:
 
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