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TexanKnight said:
Seriously? A kid being forced is a lot different than what the LDS adults did. Nice try.
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What kid are we talking about? I’m mentioning any ole German Catholic. Are you under the belief that there were no Catholic Nazis?
 
El_Confundido said:
Of course I’m familiar with the story of Cain and Abel, and Laman and Lemuel too. I’m also familiar with the historical conjecture which never has and never will amount to official doctrine of the Church, as to why some individuals are dark while others are light.

What is actual doctrine, is that the Church of Jesus Christ once graced this continent before the conquistadores ever made it here, and as a matter of fact, the Church of Jesus Christ in the New World lasted longer than the Church of Jesus Christ in the Old World. I’d thus wager that the apostatized and corrupted “Church” that the conquistadores brought and forcefully required my ancestors to convert to was likely less correct than their original faith.

If anything Latinos, and all other Book of Mormon peoples have more of a reason to be LDS than Catholic (and we’re slowly changing that 🙂 )
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Cool. Then maybe YOU can be the one who can tell us where all these folks in the Book of Mormon lived.
 
El_Confundido said:
What kid are we talking about? I’m mentioning any ole German Catholic. Are you under the belief that there were no Catholic Nazis?
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Still waiting for proof. I posted mine yesterday. So far, your only defense is to point fingers away from you. That is never a good defense and shows the weakness of your position
 
kimg901 said:
LMAO. You actually bought that line?
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What line? We know that with Moroni’s priesthood authority the Church of Jesus Christ in the Americas lasted until at least the 4th century. We cannot say the same about the Church of Jesus Christ in Europe or Asia.
No evidence what so ever exsists that they were here before the spaniards.
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There’s plenty of evidence. I suggest you spend less time at anti-Mormon sites and check out FAIR or Jeff Lindsay’s site… you know, at least for balance.
DNA has proven joe smith wrong. I think you need to read the other threads relating to mormons and their claims. Wow :rolleyes:
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I’ve seen this claim about DNA made multiple times (even on another thread by an ex-Mormon turned Catholic who says he’s a scientist), yet I never see anyone actually explain how the DNA evidence “proves” this. Please tell me, in your own words, what exactly the DNA evidence says. Surely you aren’t just parroting what you’ve heard others say and you actually understand the biology behind it, yes?
 
El_Confundido said:
What line? We know that with Moroni’s priesthood authority the Church of Jesus Christ in the Americas lasted until at least the 4th century. We cannot say the same about the Church of Jesus Christ in Europe or Asia.

There’s plenty of evidence. I suggest you spend less time at anti-Mormon sites and check out FAIR or Jeff Lindsay’s site… you know, at least for balance.

I’ve seen this claim about DNA made multiple times (even on another thread by an ex-Mormon turned Catholic who says he’s a scientist), yet I never see anyone actually explain how the DNA evidence “proves” this. Please tell me, in your own words, what exactly the DNA evidence says. Surely you aren’t just parroting what you’ve heard others say and you actually understand the biology behind it, yes?
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There is no credible evidence that anyone other than Mormons accept
 
TexanKnight said:
Still waiting for proof. I posted mine yesterday. So far, your only defense is to point fingers away from you. That is never a good defense and shows the weakness of your position
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Ah, well besides the most obvious Catholic Nazi, Adolf Hitler, who was never excommunicated by your church, there were these: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany#German_Catholics_and_the_Holocaust

This isn’t to say that the Catholic Church as an entity is somehow responsible for these Catholic Nazis (because there were indeed Catholic antagonists too). I just find it interesting the double standard here. There were LDS Nazis and LDS in the camps, just as there were Catholic Nazis and Catholics in the camps. Neither church bears the responsibility for these Nazis among their ranks, anymore than either church is responsible for when individual members commit crimes.
 
El_Confundido said:
What line? We know that with Moroni’s priesthood authority the Church of Jesus Christ in the Americas lasted until at least the 4th century. We cannot say the same about the Church of Jesus Christ in Europe or Asia.

Surly the guy who referred to another site with someone else’s work did not just post that.

There’s plenty of evidence. I suggest you spend less time at anti-Mormon sites and check out FAIR or Jeff Lindsay’s site… you know, at least for balance.

I’ve seen this claim about DNA made multiple times (even on another thread by an ex-Mormon turned Catholic who says he’s a scientist), yet I never see anyone actually explain how the DNA evidence “proves” this. Please tell me, in your own words, what exactly the DNA evidence says. Surely you aren’t just parroting what you’ve heard others say and you actually understand the biology behind it, yes?
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Surely the guy who just told someone to go to another site, not his own, to look at work he did not do, post what I just read
 
El_Confundido said:
Ah, well besides the most obvious Catholic Nazi, Adolf Hitler, who was never excommunicated by your church, there were these: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany#German_Catholics_and_the_Holocaust

This isn’t to say that the Catholic Church as an entity is somehow responsible for these Catholic Nazis (because there were indeed Catholic antagonists too). I just find it interesting the double standard here. There were LDS Nazis and LDS in the camps, just as there were Catholic Nazis and Catholics in the camps. Neither church bears the responsibility for these Nazis among their ranks, anymore than either church is responsible for when individual members commit crimes.
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Except the LDS church supported hitler. As I posted
 
TexanKnight said:
There is no credible evidence that anyone other than Mormons accept
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Of course, because the implications necessarily require subsequent belief in Mormon claims. If you find the evidence compelling, why would anyone not then become Mormon? It would be pretty hard to say “Yes, the evidence that there was pre-Columbian Judaic interaction with ancient Amerindians just as Joseph Smith revealed in 1830… but I’m not going to become LDS”.

This is similar to saying that there’s no evidence outside Christian sources of the resurrection (which is a true statement). Of course once the evidence comes out it by definition becomes a Christian source!
 
El_Confundido said:
What line? We know that with Moroni’s priesthood authority the Church of Jesus Christ in the Americas lasted until at least the 4th century. We cannot say the same about the Church of Jesus Christ in Europe or Asia.

There’s plenty of evidence. I suggest you spend less time at anti-Mormon sites and check out FAIR or Jeff Lindsay’s site… you know, at least for balance.

I’ve seen this claim about DNA made multiple times (even on another thread by an ex-Mormon turned Catholic who says he’s a scientist), yet I never see anyone actually explain how the DNA evidence “proves” this. Please tell me, in your own words, what exactly the DNA evidence says. Surely you aren’t just parroting what you’ve heard others say and you actually understand the biology behind it, yes?
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The DNA evidence shows that the Native Americans that where living here had no Jewish bloodline Oh by the way, everytime someone says the truth against your so called church, its anti-mormon. Even when its from ex mormons so give me a break with that BS. And im not a bird repeating what others said. Go look for yourself. But I will leave you with this question. Are Jesus and God a liar?
 
El_Confundido said:
Of course, because the implications necessarily require subsequent belief in Mormon claims. If you find the evidence compelling, why would anyone not then become Mormon? It would be pretty hard to say “Yes, the evidence that there was pre-Columbian Judaic interaction with ancient Amerindians just as Joseph Smith revealed in 1830… but I’m not going to become LDS”.

This is similar to saying that there’s no evidence outside Christian sources of the resurrection (which is a true statement). Of course once the evidence comes out it by definition becomes a Christian source!
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Another failed effort. And a typical response from someone who cannot prove his assertions
 
kimg901 said:
The DNA evidence shows that the Native Americans that where living here had no Jewish bloodline
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Really? Geneticists plugged the DNA into a sequencer and the machine said “no Jewish bloodline”?

This isn’t an explanation of the evidence at all. Try again.
 
TexanKnight said:
Please learn to read. I did not bring up DNA. I was simply amused by your double standard

Thanks!
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There was no double standard. I asked for an explanation about evidence, and you asked for a name (to which I simply provided a list). If it would please you, I can go copy and paste names of Catholic Nazis.
 
El_Confundido said:
There was no double standard. I asked for an explanation about evidence, and you asked for a name (to which I simply provided a list). If it would please you, I can go copy and paste names of Catholic Nazis.
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Sure there was. You chastised him for cut and paste while telling him to go read someone else’s work

And sure. Post names. If any of them were the same rank as LDS general authorities when it happened, you will have made a decent point.
 
Oh. And it can’t be people who were living in Germany afraid for their lives. Your GAs were adults not afraid for thief lives
 
El_Confundido said:
Really? Geneticists plugged the DNA into a sequencer and the machine said “no Jewish bloodline”?

This isn’t an explanation of the evidence at all. Try again.
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Im sorry, but are you really that big of a pendejo? There is a huge database of different races that shows common traits in a DNA sequence. Why do you think a person can pay for a blood test and find out their lineage? Its that simple. No Native Americans have a bloodline from the Jews.
 
kimg901 said:
Im sorry, but are you really that big of a pendejo?
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That was uncalled for.
There is a huge database of different races that shows common traits in a DNA sequence. Why do you think a person can pay for a blood test and find out their lineage? Its that simple. No Native Americans have a bloodline from the Jews.
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So if I want to find out if I’ve ever had a Chinese ancestor, DNA can show definitively that I did NOT have such an ancestor, or could it only show that I did? The distinction, however subtle, is very important, and is what causes me to question you (and all others) who claim that DNA evidence definitively shows that Native Americans are not descended whatsoever from Israelites.
 
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