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mikemck
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I would always love my child, but if they became a Roman Catholic or a Mormon or some other religion, I couldn’t support that.
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Lance
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When I told my mom, who was Methodist, and she said, “Good, just be a good Catholic because that’s better than being a bad Methodist like you were.” She did not attend my confirmation because we live in Illinois and she lived in California. She did attend all of her grandkids baptisms, first communions and confirmations. It could have helped that I had uncles and aunts who were Catholic.
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Lance
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May I ask what religion you are and why you could not support their decission?
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mikemck
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I’m a Christian and I cannot support their decision because I don’t believe that the beliefs or practices of Roman Catholicism are Biblical.
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Lance
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How could they not be? The RCC is the one who chose what books were to be included in the Bible. Why would they choose to include something in the Bible and then not follow it? If you tell us exactly what part of our beliefs you are having a problem with perhaps we can clear it up for you. It is possible that you have some misconceptions about us.
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a_cermak
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I would support my child no matter what religion she ultimately chooses! I would never sacrifice so much of a second of our time here on Earth to squabbling about matters of Faith differences. My family tree includes Jews, Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Pagans, etc.
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mikemck
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By believing and practicing things that either are not supported by scripture, or flat out contradict scripture.
The idea that one cannot know that they are saved in this life.
Praying to the dead.
Purgatory.
Denying the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement.
Following rituals as a means of salvation.
Confessing to men for absolution.
The idea of a man speaking in the place of God.
And the list goes on…
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Zooey
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I totally agree with this post! The one important thing to me, is to know Jesus Christ as your Lord & Saviour.
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rr1213
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I would agree only to the extent that my child knows Christ and is a practicing Christian. Afterall, we are talking about decisions here that have eternal consequences. That second sacrificed on earth “squabbling” might translate into a very long time in the after life.
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jmcrae
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Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Therefore, it is “Christian.” (Following Christ.)
There are a great many man-made religions that follow at least some Christian principles, and could be considered “Christian” for that reason, but they were founded by men and women like John Calvin (Reformed), John Knox (Presbyterian), Martin Luther (Lutheran), Evelyn White (Seventh Day Adventists), Alexander Campbell (Churches of Christ, Disciples), John and Charles Wesley (Methodist), John Smyth and Thomas Helwys (Baptist), George Pidgeon (United Church of Canada), and so on.
The Catholic Church traces its leadership in an unbroken line of succession back to the Apostle Peter. These others cannot, since the oldest of them is the Lutheran church, which was founded nearly 1500 years after the death of Christ, and could therefore not have been founded by Him.
Therefore, whenever there are disagreements between Christ’s Church and these other churches, it is more likely that Christ’s Church is correct (since it holds the Deposit of the Faith from the time of the Apostles), and that the others have made some kind of error in their calculations (since they are working from the Bible alone, centuries removed from the context in which it was first written, and relying on their human understanding to try to make sense of it).
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mikemck
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Funny, my Bible doesn’t say anything at all about the Roman Catholic church.
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rr1213
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Are you suggesting that Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists and Baptists are not Christians? I don’t think that even your own Church makes that assertion.
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html
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Saint_Sinner
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It mentions bishops and priests, the council of Jerusalem, passing on orders by laying on hands and prayers, the true and substantial presence of Jesus in the ‘breaking of the bread’, the saints in heaven praying for us and persons praying for the dead, the substantial authority of the church…and the list goes on.
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jmcrae
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Nope.
What I’m saying is that these churches were founded later than what Christ could have done during His lifetime.
Anybody who’s been baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is a Christian and also a member of the Catholic Church, how ever imperfectly joined to it they may be.
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mikemck
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So then, by your logic, the fact that we see each of the Baptist distinctives taught and practiced in the NT means that Baptists are the church that Jesus founded.
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jmcrae
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It also mentions that Jesus established Peter as the chief shepherd of His Church (John 21:15-19) and He alludes to this being an office with successors in Matthew 16:18, where He quotes from Isaiah 22:22, there, as He’s giving Simon the name “Peter”, and assigning him the “keys.”
The Catholic Church traces its Papal succession all the way back to Peter, and the Church itself is often referred to as “the barque of Peter,” in reference to Peter’s discussion of Noah’s Ark toward the end of the third chapter of his first Letter.
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Lance
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If you are refering to the once saved always saved doctrine, I don’t accept that. I could be saved then commit some grave sin and lose my salvation
Would you not ask a friend to pray for you? Do you not believe that good people who have died are with God? Then why would you not ask them to pray for you to the Lord Our God? We don’t believe the saints can do anything except pray to God for us and since they are much closer to Him than we are, He hears them much clearer than us.
How else to explain that someone like Mother Therasa and I will end up in the same place. I will spend much more time in purgatory than she, if she spends any at all.
If by that you mean that we don’t have to do anything ourselves, I don’t buy that.
Rituals are meant to draw us closer to God, not as a means of salvation.
The priest is a substitute for God. We are confess our sins to God and in order to get absolution we must be truely sorry for them. In other words we can not confess adultry get absolution and go back and commit adultry the next day. If you do the absolution is not valid.
If you mean the pope, we believe he is guided by the Holy Spirit when he speaks ex cathedra.
So does mine.
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jmcrae
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I hope you meant to say “isn’t.”
The Letter of James (James 5:16) is very clear that we are to confess our sins to other human beings, as well as to God. Who better than the priest, who is in persona Christi when he is celebrating the Sacraments?
He’s not God, but he’s working with and for God.
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Lance
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Yes, my fingers are not as fast as my mind which is not too fast either.]
I hope you meant to say “isn’t.”
The Letter of James (James 5:16) is very clear that we are to confess our sins to other human beings, as well as to God. Who better than the priest?
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Lance
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mikemck,
Might I suggest that youtake a look at the Appologetics thread. You will find lots of people there who can answer you questions about our faith much clearer than I can.
By the way, I hope you are one of the millions Arch-Bishop Sheen was talking about in my signature and not one of the 100.
Might I suggest that youtake a look at the Appologetics thread. You will find lots of people there who can answer you questions about our faith much clearer than I can.
By the way, I hope you are one of the millions Arch-Bishop Sheen was talking about in my signature and not one of the 100.
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