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humbleseeker
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Yeah, I finished my drink and quietly slipped out the salon door when I saw it was going to be a hand/tongue debate. Looks like the sheriff got his man.
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godisgood77
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I’d rather be watched over by someone who wasn’t excommunicated… but thanks for thinking of me.
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OraLabora
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Funny, I was just thinking… it’s possible to overthink this.Personally, when I receive in the hand, I have no idea whether or not I make eye contact. I never even think about it.
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CradleRC58
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Citing the facts that point out CITH was only allowed, reluctantly, by indult, after continual disobedience and ignoring the Church’s opinion/decision on the matter has always proven futile as well.Ha… citing the Church’s position on it isn’t good enough for you?
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OraLabora
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Regardless of how we got here, this is where we are. It wouldn’t be the first bumpy road that the Church travelled down, and it won’t likely be the last.Citing the facts that point out CITH was only allowed, reluctantly, by indult, after continual disobedience and ignoring the Church’s opinion/decision on the matter has always proven futile as well.
Roma locuta est, causa finita est.
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CradleRC58
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True, and why I don’t look down on anyone who chooses to receive in the hand.Roma locuta est, causa finita est.
I just mentioned it because we’ve got a bit of hypocrisy in the air 'round here.
I watched during Christmas Mass a server receive in the hand.Roma locuta est, causa finita est.
They then noticed a crumb left in their hand so they absent mindedly brushed their hand off against their leg.
I doubt such an absent minded desecration would occur receiving by mouth.
I hope Rome revisits this.
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Thrstypirate
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I think if more people were stressed on the importance and desecration that they wouldn’t be so absent minded. I for one now always give a careful glance at my hand after the fact just to make sure.I doubt such an absent minded desecration would occur receiving by mouth
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njlisa
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As instructed by our bishop in the last 10 years or so, I first bow before approaching the priest or extraordinary minister of Holy Communion. Then, I watch as the priest or extraordinary minister raises the host. As a former Evangelical turned RCIA Catholic, I feel great reverence during this time.
When I attended the Episcopal Church, we all knelt at the altar rail and received the Host in the hand. There were no altar boys to hold the paten.The priest and laypeople distributed Communion.
When I attended the Episcopal Church, we all knelt at the altar rail and received the Host in the hand. There were no altar boys to hold the paten.The priest and laypeople distributed Communion.
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otjm
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Receiving in the hand is part of the Church’s orthodox teaching.
And your comment about Archbishop Lefebvre flies in the face of reality. It was not a private matter; it was public, as well as off topic.
And your comment about Archbishop Lefebvre flies in the face of reality. It was not a private matter; it was public, as well as off topic.
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humbleseeker
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Canvas
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On 1 July 1988, The Prefect for the Congregation of Bishops, Cardinal Gantin quite clearly decreed that Archbishop Lefebrve had indeed been excommunicated for consecrating the Econe Bishops in direct violation of orders of Pope St. John Paul II.
It seems you have bought into the inane SSPX propaganda that they weren’t really excommunicated — that it is okay to make a public violation of Canon Law and a directive from the Pope himself because they thought it needed to be done, so it is okay.
It seems you have bought into the inane SSPX propaganda that they weren’t really excommunicated — that it is okay to make a public violation of Canon Law and a directive from the Pope himself because they thought it needed to be done, so it is okay.
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LateranBasilica
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I find it depends on the Priest. Some make eye contact when saying ‘the Body of Christ “, some don’t.
I take my cue from the Priest.
I take my cue from the Priest.
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thistle
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Lebre WAS excommunicated.
APOSTOLIC LETTER “ECCLESIA DEI” OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
JOHN PAUL II
GIVEN MOTU PROPRIO
Here is the link to the whole document issued by the Pope: Ecclesia Dei (July 2, 1988) | John Paul II
In case you do not wish to read the whole document below I have extracted the relevant part:
APOSTOLIC LETTER “ECCLESIA DEI” OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
JOHN PAUL II
GIVEN MOTU PROPRIO
Here is the link to the whole document issued by the Pope: Ecclesia Dei (July 2, 1988) | John Paul II
In case you do not wish to read the whole document below I have extracted the relevant part:
- In itself, this act was one of disobedience to the Roman Pontiff in a very grave matter and of supreme importance for the unity of the church, such as is the ordination of bishops whereby the apostolic succession is sacramentally perpetuated. Hence such disobedience - which implies in practice the rejection of the Roman primacy - constitutes a schismatic act.(3) In performing such an act, notwithstanding the formal canonical warning sent to them by the Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops on 17 June last, Mons. Lefebvre and the priests Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta, have incurred the grave penalty of excommunication envisaged by ecclesiastical law.(4)
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otjm
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I am 72, so I had plenty of time as an altar boy before CITH was allowed, and I saw far, far more Hosts drop off tongues than I have ever seen dropped from a hand. In fact, I have yet to see someone drop the Host from their hand.
and yes, we had a paten back then, and we didn’t always manage to catch the falling Host on it (before you come back with the paten need).
The problem with COTT stems from two issues: people not sticking their tongue out far enough, thus catching only a small part of the Host and it not sticking; and the other, pulling the tongue back in and catching the Host with the upper teeth, causing it to fall off.
I have been a team member with our RCIA program and each year I go over how to receive (both ways) and always assure the candidates and catechumens it is their choice as to how to receive. I don’t have a dog in the fight, but I get tired of this bit about so many people dropping the Host. It simply is not true. If you have your hand out, palm up, to drop the Host you would need to turn your hand 90 degrees or better, and there is nothing about reception that would cause one to do so. There is no rush to put the Host into your mouth, so no reason that it would slip from your two (or 3) fingers as you move it from the palm to your mouth. And if you receive by bending forward and taking it directly from the palm, there still should be no problem as your palm is below your mouth.
And if you wish to receive (as you note, the traditional way), all you have to do is keep your hands out of the way, tip your head back slightly and stick your tongue out far with your mouth wide open. Both ways are accepted.
and yes, we had a paten back then, and we didn’t always manage to catch the falling Host on it (before you come back with the paten need).
The problem with COTT stems from two issues: people not sticking their tongue out far enough, thus catching only a small part of the Host and it not sticking; and the other, pulling the tongue back in and catching the Host with the upper teeth, causing it to fall off.
I have been a team member with our RCIA program and each year I go over how to receive (both ways) and always assure the candidates and catechumens it is their choice as to how to receive. I don’t have a dog in the fight, but I get tired of this bit about so many people dropping the Host. It simply is not true. If you have your hand out, palm up, to drop the Host you would need to turn your hand 90 degrees or better, and there is nothing about reception that would cause one to do so. There is no rush to put the Host into your mouth, so no reason that it would slip from your two (or 3) fingers as you move it from the palm to your mouth. And if you receive by bending forward and taking it directly from the palm, there still should be no problem as your palm is below your mouth.
And if you wish to receive (as you note, the traditional way), all you have to do is keep your hands out of the way, tip your head back slightly and stick your tongue out far with your mouth wide open. Both ways are accepted.
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otjm
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Had they received on the tongue, the particle most likely would have floated to the floor.
It always amazes me that when there is an issue needing correction, rather than correcting the problem we decide we have to abandon the whole matter - the “throw the baby out with the bath water” approach…
Proper catechesis of the altar servers seems like a more intelligent way to handle the matter.
There have only been a few (as in, less than 5) times I have spotted a crumb of the Host on my hand, and those all were times I received a fractioned part of the large Host which the priest had consecrated, rather than one of the small Hosts.
It always amazes me that when there is an issue needing correction, rather than correcting the problem we decide we have to abandon the whole matter - the “throw the baby out with the bath water” approach…
Proper catechesis of the altar servers seems like a more intelligent way to handle the matter.
There have only been a few (as in, less than 5) times I have spotted a crumb of the Host on my hand, and those all were times I received a fractioned part of the large Host which the priest had consecrated, rather than one of the small Hosts.
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otjm
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Guess I didn’t get the memo. Thanks.
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LateranBasilica
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Could we dispel with acronyms when discussing the Body of Christ please.
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prayerrider
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The only person touching my palm in the OF Mass is a Person. I try to avoid touching anything else as well, as much as possible. But I definitely don’t shake hands.
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Reuben_J
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No brainer. Usually there is eye contact because the Eucharistic Minister is speaking to you, “The Body of Christ.” You then answer, “Amen.” You are saying as you receive the host that you agree what you are receiving is indeed what he says what it is, ‘the Body of Christ.’
Sometimes the Eucharistic minister does not care very much as he distributes the host. Sometimes without looking at you, or his word barely audible. It can happen very fast as if he just wants to finish his job. Then there is not much time or opportunity to have that eye contact.
Sometimes the Eucharistic minister does not care very much as he distributes the host. Sometimes without looking at you, or his word barely audible. It can happen very fast as if he just wants to finish his job. Then there is not much time or opportunity to have that eye contact.
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