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Jew_Man_73:
Being a full time graduate student and wroking has taught me art of multi-tasking very well. I guess it’s splling over into my prayers now! 😃
ehehe:D

by the way, i heard Jews believe in reincarnation. is this true? (suddenly i feel so ignorant:o 😦 )
 
By the way, have you ever had the chance to watch EWTN television or listed to EWTN radio? Great and solidly Catholic stuff 24 hours a day!

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Jew_Man_73:
Not until I visited the Catholic church did I feel something. I don’t knwo exactly what it was, but it was something. I actually felt like maybe I was in the presence of G-d, finally.
Of course, according to our faith, you were in His presence. Not just spiritually, but also physically.
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Jew_Man_73:
The priest and the people were so reverent, and the service was so beautiful. My subsequent experiences have been fulfilling, as well.
I’m glad to hear that you have found a good Catholic parish where reverence is remembered. I’ve had the unfortunate experience of some that do not show any reverence.
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Jew_Man_73:
I even wonder if G-d is really pleased with Protestant Christianity, or if He even blesses Protestant churches with His presence, or His full presence.
Christ prayed that we would all remain one so He cannot be pleased with the divisions. However, we must always remember that God will always meet us where we are and loves us no matter what. There are blessings and graces for all in the world; each according to their condition. It is our belief that these blessings radiate out to them through the Church and their ultimate purpose is to lead everyone into her and, through her, to Him.
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Jew_Man_73:
All I know is this: I never felt G-d in my temple or in a Protestant church. However, I’m starting to think that I’ve been feeling Him at the Catholic church where I’ve been attending. For the first time in my life, I feel like G-d might actually be coming into my life in a real way. (I’m still not totally convinced. I do still ahve some reservations and questions, but I feel like I’m moviong forward and not backwards.)
I am thrilled that you feel this way. I am also glad that you are being smart about it and continuing to seek the answers to your remaining questions. Like any religion, Catholicism is a faith and faith cannot be based solely, or even primarily, on how one feels about it. There have been times where I have not felt uplifted by my faith but I adhere to it because I believe it to be true. Many of the greatest Saints have recounted long periods of time where, after many personal experiences of God, they felt completely abandoned by Him. They knew it was not true but they felt that way. I seem to remember reading one who said that God does this to help remove the imperfect ideas that we have of Him; to better prepare them for the full and perfect glory of Him in Heaven.

The more you write about your experiences and how you are approaching them, the more I’m convinced you will eventually be a true believer in the Catholic faith. This is, of course, my own personal impression. 😉
 
Jew_Man,

I’m so happy that you have been going to Mass. I missed this morning. Did they do the readings for St. Anselm or did they follow with more from Acts? This week the readings have been so much along the lines of the searching you’ve been doing, you’ve been in my prayers.

Perhaps God is working through these Forums more than we even begin to understand, as we all pray for one another, especially for conversions. In the day to day life of a Parish, how many of us interface directly with someone considering conversion, and yet here we find many who are exploring the possibility and we have an opportunity to direct our prayers toward you.

God Bless you Jew_Man as you continue to explore all the Graces God is bestowing upon you.

Oh, and Jew_Man, I’m assuming you already know this, but what you’re sensing in the Catholic Church with regards to God’s Presense is the Eucharist in the Tabernacle. Look for the tabernacle light, it will help you find the tabernacle if it’s not front and center. Inside the tabernacle, like the tabernacle of the Old Testament which foreshadowed it, you will find the True Bread of Life, Jesus Christ, rather than the bread from heaven, the Manna. This bread gives us eternal life. It is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our dear Lord Jesus Christ.

Some people are blessed with the Charism which allows them to discern the presence of the Spirit, others receive this grace for only a brief time, until one is able to take the leap of faith required to fully accept Jesus Christ.

We’re learning about levels of Faith in the class I’m now running late to attend. The first level of faith is going to hear Christ speak because you’re hungry and you heard he did a miracle with the loaves and fishes making sufficient food for everyone.

The second level of faith is knowing that he performed miracles, so you go to partake of this miraculous bread from someone who is obviously special.

The third level of faith believes that which the sense cannot confirm that when Christ tells us he is giving us His Body and Blood in the Eucharist, that while it still looks like bread and wine, it is in fact the Body and Blood of Jesus, because he has told us so.

God Bless,

CARose
 
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antiaphrodite:
ehehe:D

by the way, i heard Jews believe in reincarnation. is this true? (suddenly i feel so ignorant:o 😦 )
Some do, some don’t, from what I understand. I don’t, and I’ve never known a Jew who does. From what I’ve learned over the years, it’s primarily the followers of Kabbalah that believe in reincarnation. (Although I’m definitely not an expert, so I might be wrong.)
 
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theMutant:
By the way, have you ever had the chance to watch EWTN television or listed to EWTN radio? Great and solidly Catholic stuff 24 hours a day!

ewtn.com/tv/index.asp
ewtn.com/radio/index.asp
Of course, according to our faith, you were in His presence. Not just spiritually, but also physically.
I’m glad to hear that you have found a good Catholic parish where reverence is remembered. I’ve had the unfortunate experience of some that do not show any reverence.
Christ prayed that we would all remain one so He cannot be pleased with the divisions. However, we must always remember that God will always meet us where we are and loves us no matter what. There are blessings and graces for all in the world; each according to their condition. It is our belief that these blessings radiate out to them through the Church and their ultimate purpose is to lead everyone into her and, through her, to Him.

I am thrilled that you feel this way. I am also glad that you are being smart about it and continuing to seek the answers to your remaining questions. Like any religion, Catholicism is a faith and faith cannot be based solely, or even primarily, on how one feels about it. There have been times where I have not felt uplifted by my faith but I adhere to it because I believe it to be true. Many of the greatest Saints have recounted long periods of time where, after many personal experiences of God, they felt completely abandoned by Him. They knew it was not true but they felt that way. I seem to remember reading one who said that God does this to help remove the imperfect ideas that we have of Him; to better prepare them for the full and perfect glory of Him in Heaven.

The more you write about your experiences and how you are approaching them, the more I’m convinced you will eventually be a true believer in the Catholic faith. This is, of course, my own personal impression. 😉
Thank you for the links. I’ve never heard of EWTN. I’m not sure, but I don’t think it’s avauilable in my area on TV or radio. I guess it’s because I live in the South. Tahnk you also for your encouraginf words. Yes, I defnintely plan to take my time with this and investigate everything thoroughly. As for eventually being a true believer in the Catholic faith, I’m not ready to say that yet, of course. I’ll just continue to say that I’m moving forward for now. 🙂
 
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CARose:
Jew_Man,

I’m so happy that you have been going to Mass. I missed this morning. Did they do the readings for St. Anselm or did they follow with more from Acts? This week the readings have been so much along the lines of the searching you’ve been doing, you’ve been in my prayers.

Perhaps God is working through these Forums more than we even begin to understand, as we all pray for one another, especially for conversions. In the day to day life of a Parish, how many of us interface directly with someone considering conversion, and yet here we find many who are exploring the possibility and we have an opportunity to direct our prayers toward you.

God Bless you Jew_Man as you continue to explore all the Graces God is bestowing upon you.

Oh, and Jew_Man, I’m assuming you already know this, but what you’re sensing in the Catholic Church with regards to God’s Presense is the Eucharist in the Tabernacle. Look for the tabernacle light, it will help you find the tabernacle if it’s not front and center. Inside the tabernacle, like the tabernacle of the Old Testament which foreshadowed it, you will find the True Bread of Life, Jesus Christ, rather than the bread from heaven, the Manna. This bread gives us eternal life. It is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our dear Lord Jesus Christ.

Some people are blessed with the Charism which allows them to discern the presence of the Spirit, others receive this grace for only a brief time, until one is able to take the leap of faith required to fully accept Jesus Christ.

We’re learning about levels of Faith in the class I’m now running late to attend. The first level of faith is going to hear Christ speak because you’re hungry and you heard he did a miracle with the loaves and fishes making sufficient food for everyone.

The second level of faith is knowing that he performed miracles, so you go to partake of this miraculous bread from someone who is obviously special.

The third level of faith believes that which the sense cannot confirm that when Christ tells us he is giving us His Body and Blood in the Eucharist, that while it still looks like bread and wine, it is in fact the Body and Blood of Jesus, because he has told us so.

God Bless,

CARose
Hi,
I hope you weren’t too late for your class. I know how addictive this forum can be. 😃 At Mass this morning, the readings came from Acts. (I’m not really sure what chapter. The priest announced it, but I can’t remember. Sorry, I’m still new at this.) Thank you for tellng me about the tabernacle. I actually didn’t know about it. I assume it’s a type of container. (It can’t possibly be a tent, I know.) I’ll look for it tomorrow or Sunday. As far as “Charism” goes: That’s a spiritual gift, right? Or am I mistaken?
 
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Jew_Man_73:
Thank you for the links. I’ve never heard of EWTN. I’m not sure, but I don’t think it’s avauilable in my area on TV or radio. I guess it’s because I live in the South. Tahnk you also for your encouraginf words. Yes, I defnintely plan to take my time with this and investigate everything thoroughly. As for eventually being a true believer in the Catholic faith, I’m not ready to say that yet, of course. I’ll just continue to say that I’m moving forward for now. 🙂
I checked their web site and I don’t see any listings for North Carolina. Don’t give up hope, though, they are based in Alabama!!!
 
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theMutant:
I checked their web site and I don’t see any listings for North Carolina. Don’t give up hope, though, they are based in Alabama!!!
Wow, I’m surprised. I wouldn’t expect them to be based in the South. I’ll check them out on the Intenet.
 
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Jew_Man_73:
Hi,
I hope you weren’t too late for your class. I know how addictive this forum can be. 😃
Yup, way too addictive! 😛
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Jew_Man_73:
At Mass this morning, the readings came from Acts. (I’m not really sure what chapter. The priest announced it, but I can’t remember. Sorry, I’m still new at this.)
Actually, when the Priest announces the reading, or the lector for that matter, they don’t announce the Chapter/Verse, just the book being read from, so you didn’t miss anything. That they read from Acts means they were following the standard readings, and didn’t vary at your parish for the St.'s day.
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Jew_Man_73:
Thank you for tellng me about the tabernacle. I actually didn’t know about it. I assume it’s a type of container. (It can’t possibly be a tent, I know.) I’ll look for it tomorrow or Sunday.
It’s a box which can be found in a fine metal or sometimes it has a glass front door (actually it should be glass, but I’ve seen it that way enough times, it may be at your parish). It’s where the consecrated hosts are held. This is what gives the Catholic Church that amazing presence when you walk in the door, because the Consecrated Eucharist is the actual presence of God. Isn’t that absolutely amazing! At every Mass we have the opportunity to witness the miracle of the window to time opened up to Eternity and Christ steps down to be present with us through the Eucharist. It doesn’t get much better than that, and yet he’s gentle and does it in such a subtle way that those who are not prepared for the truth can easily miss the significance of what is occurring and go about their day undisturbed.
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Jew_Man_73:
As far as “Charism” goes: That’s a spiritual gift, right? Or am I mistaken?
Sorry about that, whipping my catholic vocabulary about like that on an unsuspecting stranger 🙂 Yes, Charism is a spiritual gift. The Church teaches that we each receive Charisms at baptism so we can state definitively that all the baptised have certain Charisms which are intended to build up the body of Christ. Not everyone has the same Charism(s), this is related to the economy of salvation. We are expected to work together to bring the entire world to salvation through the joint use of the Charisms we have been given. Charisms are also like super talents that are intended for the good of others, rather than for our own personal gain, and they cannot be misused because they are God given.

My class is a 2 hr drive away, so while it was still relatively early when I left for my evening course, I still only arrived with a bit of time to spare. We had a Mass before class to pray for the new Pope. It’s great that I’ve found a brand new Catholic University to attend. God is Good!
 
Hello everyone–I’m new to the forum!

Jew_Man_73, it’s great to see your enthusiasm. It’s rather interesting because in the last month I’ve been rather interested in Judaism!–not in converting, but rather, to grow in appreciation of my spiritual heritage. I forgot which Pope said it but he said something quite profound: “Spiritually, we are all Semites.”

I’ve been reading a lot about its customs, holidays, etc. I’m even planning on buying a tallit! That should keep me warm and focused during morning prayers.

Anyways, I’m not sure how you feel about fiction books but there is a great book by Michael O’Brien called ‘Father Elijah’. It’s about a former Jewish politician who was rising in the ranks politically in Israel but by the grace of God coverted to the Catholic faith and became a Carmelite priest. Also, the prequel to ‘Father Elijah’ is ‘Sophia House’ about said Jewish converts stay in a Polish man’s bookstore during the Nazi occupation of Poland.

I recommend these two books because my love and respect for the Jewish faith has greatly increased through them, and I believe that, by the grace of Christ, your respect and love for Catholicism will increase as well.

amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1586170392/qid=1114223483/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-3860533-2669646?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0898706904/qid=1114223684/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-3860533-2669646?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Visit the author’s website as well. Awesome art!

www.studiobrien.com
 
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CARose:
Yup, way too addictive! 😛

Actually, when the Priest announces the reading, or the lector for that matter, they don’t announce the Chapter/Verse, just the book being read from, so you didn’t miss anything. That they read from Acts means they were following the standard readings, and didn’t vary at your parish for the St.'s day.

It’s a box which can be found in a fine metal or sometimes it has a glass front door (actually it should be glass, but I’ve seen it that way enough times, it may be at your parish). It’s where the consecrated hosts are held. This is what gives the Catholic Church that amazing presence when you walk in the door, because the Consecrated Eucharist is the actual presence of God. Isn’t that absolutely amazing! At every Mass we have the opportunity to witness the miracle of the window to time opened up to Eternity and Christ steps down to be present with us through the Eucharist. It doesn’t get much better than that, and yet he’s gentle and does it in such a subtle way that those who are not prepared for the truth can easily miss the significance of what is occurring and go about their day undisturbed.
Sorry about that, whipping my catholic vocabulary about like that on an unsuspecting stranger 🙂 Yes, Charism is a spiritual gift. The Church teaches that we each receive Charisms at baptism so we can state definitively that all the baptised have certain Charisms which are intended to build up the body of Christ. Not everyone has the same Charism(s), this is related to the economy of salvation. We are expected to work together to bring the entire world to salvation through the joint use of the Charisms we have been given. Charisms are also like super talents that are intended for the good of others, rather than for our own personal gain, and they cannot be misused because they are God given.

My class is a 2 hr drive away, so while it was still relatively early when I left for my evening course, I still only arrived with a bit of time to spare. We had a Mass before class to pray for the new Pope. It’s great that I’ve found a brand new Catholic University to attend. God is Good!
Thank you. I’llm look for it tomorrow. You’re attending a Catholic university? What are you studying? You said that Charisms are given by G-d at baptism, but is it possible that some people are given them before baptism? Does the Church teach this?
 
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samizdat:
Hello everyone–I’m new to the forum!

Jew_Man_73, it’s great to see your enthusiasm. It’s rather interesting because in the last month I’ve been rather interested in Judaism!–not in converting, but rather, to grow in appreciation of my spiritual heritage. I forgot which Pope said it but he said something quite profound: “Spiritually, we are all Semites.”

I’ve been reading a lot about its customs, holidays, etc. I’m even planning on buying a tallit! That should keep me warm and focused during morning prayers.

Anyways, I’m not sure how you feel about fiction books but there is a great book by Michael O’Brien called ‘Father Elijah’. It’s about a former Jewish politician who was rising in the ranks politically in Israel but by the grace of God coverted to the Catholic faith and became a Carmelite priest. Also, the prequel to ‘Father Elijah’ is ‘Sophia House’ about said Jewish converts stay in a Polish man’s bookstore during the Nazi occupation of Poland.

I recommend these two books because my love and respect for the Jewish faith has greatly increased through them, and I believe that, by the grace of Christ, your respect and love for Catholicism will increase as well.

amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1586170392/qid=1114223483/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-3860533-2669646?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0898706904/qid=1114223684/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-3860533-2669646?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Visit the author’s website as well. Awesome art!

www.studiobrien.com
It’s interesting that you’re taking such an interest in Judaism as well. Have you heard of the Association of Hebrew Catholics? Several people here have recommended them to me. I don’t know how to insert links, but if you search back through the posts, you’ll see a link for them. You might want to check them out. They have an online Yahoo group. I joined it the other day. It’s been interesting so far. And yes, I love fiction. I looked these books up on Amazon.com, and they seem really interesting. I’ve actually seen them in Barnes and Noble before, but didn’t know what they were. I’ll add them to my list of books to read.
 
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Jew_Man_73:
Thank you. I’llm look for it tomorrow. You’re attending a Catholic university? What are you studying?
I’m attending the brand new University of Sacramento where I’m taking a course in “Foundations of Catholic Thought” by Dr. Kenneth Howell. The subject matter is excellent!
You said that Charisms are given by G-d at baptism, but is it possible that some people are given them before baptism? Does the Church teach this?
Argh, sorry about that, I meant to answer that question, since obviously you haven’t been baptized. The Church makes no specific statement regarding Charisms for those who have not been baptised, so it could be yes, no, maybe or some do, some don’t. I personally believe that at least some do and I say this because I’ve had some really excellent experiences / conversations with unbaptised people and at least some of these individuals appear to exhibit wonderful Charisms.

But that’s just my humble (or perhaps not so humble) opinion.

CARose
 
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Jew_Man_73:
By the way, speaking of crying: I watched the announcement and first appearance of Pope Benedict XVI live on TV today. I cried all the way through it. I don’t know why. I was on the phone with a Protestant friend of mine while I was watching it, and he asked me why I was crying, and I couldn’t tell him because I didn’t know for sure.

While he was standing there, he just struck me as having a beautiful soul. I don’t know why I thought this, but I did. Maybe that’s why I cried. maybe I also cried because I admired Pope John Paul II so much too. I thought the whole proceeding was beautiful. I’m crying again, which is really weird. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve cried in my life, but here lately I’ve been doing it alot. (At Mass, today, etc.) Weird.
Perhaps God has given you the gift of tears your going to have to find the reason for this in one of the old spiritual writers…it is very real and for a reason ! Like a continuous Baptism…a tenderness of heart…sensitivity to all that is good and a deep sadness over what is dark. Like the hearts of flesh that Christ spoke of…they are much deeper than sentimentalism or emotion…You may find writings on this in Evelyn Underhill’s book on Mysticism or in one of the Hebrew Mystics ! Remembering always that the spirit of God is in us…when it rises a little to the surface of our concious minds…than it is felt. **We do not always have awareness of the Holy Spirit praying within us but He does. **You continue to mention I feel…I did not feel etc. I think what you experience is deeper than feeling but comes to you through them.The soul already knows what we do not!! The contemplative nature always knows before they know what exactly it is they know. One needs stillness to listen…sitting before the Blessed Sacrament in receptivity before the living God so that He might bless us! We spend our lives trying to figure it all out and we all talk too much even to God…God knows what is in our hearts before we even open our mouths “Be still and know that I am God” “In stillness God is born” again that still small voice !
God Bless You,
Shalom
 
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CARose:
I’m attending the brand new University of Sacramento where I’m taking a course in “Foundations of Catholic Thought” by Dr. Kenneth Howell. The subject matter is excellent!
Argh, sorry about that, I meant to answer that question, since obviously you haven’t been baptized. The Church makes no specific statement regarding Charisms for those who have not been baptised, so it could be yes, no, maybe or some do, some don’t. I personally believe that at least some do and I say this because I’ve had some really excellent experiences / conversations with unbaptised people and at least some of these individuals appear to exhibit wonderful Charisms.

But that’s just my humble (or perhaps not so humble) opinion.

CARose
That class sounds interesting. I don’t know of any Catholic college classes around here. (It is North Carolina, after all.) About the Charisms: So basically my experiences could be Charisms, or maybe not?
 
Catherine S. said:
Perhaps God has given you the gift of tears your going to have to find the reason for this in one of the old spiritual writers…it is very real and for a reason ! Like a continuous Baptism…a tenderness of heart…sensitivity to all that is good and a deep sadness over what is dark. Like the hearts of flesh that Christ spoke of…they are much deeper than sentimentalism or emotion…You may find writings on this in Evelyn Underhill’s book on Mysticism or in one of the Hebrew Mystics ! Remembering always that the spirit of God is in us…when it rises a little to the surface of our concious minds…than it is felt. **We do not always have awareness of the Holy Spirit praying within us but He does. **You continue to mention I feel…I did not feel etc. I think what you experience is deeper than feeling but comes to you through them.The soul already knows what we do not!! The contemplative nature always knows before they know what exactly it is they know. One needs stillness to listen…sitting before the Blessed Sacrament in receptivity before the living God so that He might bless us! We spend our lives trying to figure it all out and we all talk too much even to God…God knows what is in our hearts before we even open our mouths “Be still and know that I am God” “In stillness God is born” again that still small voice !
God Bless You,
Shalom

Thank you for your post. I’ll see if I can find anything on Catholic Mystics. 🙂
 
Hi, another question for all of you. I went to Mass this morning and during the prayers (The prayers when the lector reads from a big book. Sorry, I don’t know what it’s called), the lector prayed for the Jews as they were preparing to celebrate Passover on Friday. I was surprised. Is it common to pray for the Jews during Mass? I was pleasantly surprised. Also, the lector referred to Jews as “our brothers.” I thought that was great.
 
Hey everyone,
I just saw a review on a Catholic website for a book titled Why the Jews Rejected Jesus. A Jew wrote it. Apparently it’s an apologetics book and also a call for greater unity between Jews and Christians. it sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
 
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Jew_Man_73:
Hi, another question for all of you. I went to Mass this morning and during the prayers (The prayers when the lector reads from a big book. Sorry, I don’t know what it’s called), the lector prayed for the Jews as they were preparing to celebrate Passover on Friday. I was surprised. Is it common to pray for the Jews during Mass? I was pleasantly surprised. Also, the lector referred to Jews as “our brothers.” I thought that was great.
To pray for Jews (or others) as they prepare for their own religous services is pretty much a modern thing, however, it is (or at least it should be) the norm to pray for everyone to embrace Christ and the Church. I can remember prayers for Jews as Chanakka was starting, “that they come to see the light of Christ.”
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Jew_Man_73:
Hey everyone,
I just saw a review on a Catholic website for a book titled Why the Jews Rejected Jesus. A Jew wrote it. Apparently it’s an apologetics book and also a call for greater unity between Jews and Christians. it sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
I seem to remember hearing that title before but I haven’t read it myself.
 
Jew_Man,

Right, it could either be a Charism or simply a momentary, special grace you are receiving to help you be receptive to the Fullness of the Truth. It may wear off in a period of time and require that you believe in the Eucharist by Faith alone, like the rest of us poor sinners!
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Jew_Man_73:
Hi, another question for all of you. I went to Mass this morning and during the prayers (The prayers when the lector reads from a big book. Sorry, I don’t know what it’s called), the lector prayed for the Jews as they were preparing to celebrate Passover on Friday. I was surprised. Is it common to pray for the Jews during Mass? I was pleasantly surprised. Also, the lector referred to Jews as “our brothers.” I thought that was great.
I think this little “coincidence” is more of the Holy Spirit calling out to you. Not all churches read this particular prayer on this particular day for the Jews, although it would not be unusual for a prayer to be read for anyone, as it is our responsibility to pray for the entire world, Jews included.

The Jews however do hold a special place in the heart of the Church as they are our lost brethran. We recognize ourselves as Judaism fulfilled, so certainly we miss that some of our family have not come to know Christ and we pray for these family members on a periodic basis. They are an integral part of the Mass at Good Friday, when we have 10 very long Petitions, in our parish a different member of the Parish reads each of the 10. One of them is for the Jewish people. The first year I was asked to read, I was asked to read that one. It gave me the chills when I saw what I was being asked to read because of my background! 🙂

CARose
 
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