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annad347
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no I don’t… I will look them up when I get home.
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Because to those who are not well catechized, someone saying a Hail Mary can sound like to them that the person is worshiping Mary. Of course, that’s not the case. But to Catholics who are not well catechized and to many non-Catholics, that’s what they think.
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dbranch
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This…
In the Apostles Creed we profess believe in the communion of saints. Even if you don’t pray to the saints, you’d have to believe that doing so is good, effective, and right.
OP there are lifelong Catholics that choose to not believe in some of what the Church teaches. They don’t understand that the teachings aren’t opinions or suggestions. The Holy Catholic Church, the royal, God-made Church, is a little smarter than we are and for any little ant here on earth to just say, “ehh, I know better” is staggering. These Catholics just by going to Church show that they believe something is authoritative and definitive about the Church.
Rant over. Just a heads up of what to expect. I am a new Catholic and I had to share that because it blows my mind. Carry on.
The short answer is: yes, you do — but only at a Mass.
As someone has already pointed out, one the basic prayers at the start of the Mass is the Confiteor. It’s not said at every Mass, but when it’s recited, you’ll need to pray it along with everyone else. It’s not optional.
This is the prayer:
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I confess to almighty God
and to you, my brothers and sisters,
that I have greatly sinned,
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done and in what I have failed to do,
through my fault, through my fault,
through my most grievous fault;
therefore I ask blessed Mary ever-Virgin,
all the Angels and Saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God.Also, if the priests asks you to say some Hail Marys as part of the penance during Confession, you’ll need to do so also. But since you don’t like saying the Hail Mary, that would indeed be a good prayer as a penance for you to say. It might motivate you to avoid sin even more.
But outside of those two circumstances (during Mass and as part of Confession), Catholics aren’t required to pray to Saints.
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HopkinsReb
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No, you do not.
You should participate fully in the Mass, but outside of that your personal devotions do not have to be via saints to be heard by God.
As for penance…ask your confessor.
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TheLittleLady
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Come home. We have been missing you.
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JanetF
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In short, yes. Asking the saints for intercession outside of Mass is NOT a requirement of a catholic. It’s something that many Catholics find useful, but is not a requirement. I highly encourage you to speak to your priest and see if he can recommend a spiritual advisor.
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Mark121359
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That’s not accurate. It wasn’t that Therese didn’t care for the Rosary, it’s that she found it very difficult to meditate on the mysteries and she couldn’t stay focused on them. She was distressed by her efforts on praying the Rosary well as she herself said;
Traditional modes of prayer were often difficult for her. The important thing is, is that she didn’t give in, and continued praying the Rosary despite the fact that she would lose focus. St. Therese was much more at home with mental prayer.
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lonegreywolf20
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The hail Mary as I mentioned in my one post can be talked about prior and the priest will likely give penance that doesn’t require saying a hail Mary as was done with me.
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goout
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No, you can’t worship God purely as an individual, by definition. You might worship God “in private” or “alone” and in your own unique way, but we are a also an inseparable community, because God has created everyone in God’s image, and we are called to be one.Crocus:
but I’m not asking you to pray for me, or talk to God on my behalf… I’m asking if I can worship God without going through you… through Mary or any other saint.
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Dan_Defender
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God works in mysterious ways.
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Katie1
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Prayer is powerful! Why not pray to saints? Saints have different purposes and it is always powerful! I am consecrating myself to Mary now and in the middle of a 33 day “retreat”. God is good all the time and all the time God is good! Saints and some not so saints have been known as great divine messengers. Don’t close yourself off to any possibility! Epiphanies and miracles are abounding - we just have to open our heart to receive them!
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tafan2
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I do think, if the Confetior is said at mass, it is a requirement to pray to saints at that point. We cannot choose to participate in only the parts of the mass we agree with. It is a prayer of the Church, when used, it is not optional. One can certainly remain silent, but that does not mean one can ignore it.
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annad347
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God is a jealous God…
Nor do I dispute that saints are very powerful and serve a purpose.
FYI: I am going to speak to the priest at the church I picked to go to… God willing I’ll get the answers I need soon.
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annad347
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I don’t consider that a prayer to Mary… it is what it say it is… me confessing my sins to God and to my brothers and sisters, which is something Paul or Peter (I get them mixed up sometimes) said we should do.
It states I admit I’m at fault for my sins, through my own fault. That is me confessing to God. Then yes I’m asking Mary, the saints to pray for me… but I also including my fellow brothers and sister to pray for me… it is pretty much doing what others in this group said I should do ask others to pray for me.
But I’m not on my knees, bowing my head directly to anyone specific, as I would when reciting the Hale Mary prayer. The Hail Mary prayer is usually recited after that confession prayer… and that’s kind of when I go silent?
To me, there is a difference. One is to God, the other is to Mary… there’s a difference… to me anyway.
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Crocus
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God is not jealous when it comes to His children.
A loving father or mother instead is pleased when children show love for one another, asking for and receiving help from one another.
God is that loving Father, He meant for us to honour Him in communion with one another. This is how we are one in the Body of Christ.
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annad347
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but He doesn’t want us to pray to each other… living or dead. Prayers only go to Him. In the name of The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit… just Him.
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Margaret_Ann
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Actually, that’s in the Apostles’ Creed
.The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed states:
“And in one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. I profess one baptism for the remission of sins. I expect the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen.”
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Margaret_Ann
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Here’s the simple version of the definitions:
Latria = Adoration - which is given to God alone (+Father, Son and Holy Spirit)
Hyperdulia = above veneration aka special veneration
Hyper is Greek for “above”; dulia = veneration
Hyperdulia is only given to Our Lady.
Dulia = veneration. This is the veneration given to the Angels & Saints.
Does that help?
Latria = Adoration - which is given to God alone (+Father, Son and Holy Spirit)
Hyperdulia = above veneration aka special veneration
Hyper is Greek for “above”; dulia = veneration
Hyperdulia is only given to Our Lady.
Dulia = veneration. This is the veneration given to the Angels & Saints.
Does that help?
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annad347
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kind of… it basically says its okay to pray to saints cause its like a special honorary kind of prayer… a respectful kind of pray because of who they are and what they did. Its not like the prayers I give to God, which is above that… I kind of understand the difference. Someone told me about it before, I looked it up, was a little confused about but I think I understand the difference.
but my question is do I have to say them. Its an honorary prayer to them, not a devotional one, I’m not praying to them, just showing them respect… but do I have to show them respect in the form of a prayer?
Can I be a Catholic who respects them, honors them without praying to them?
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