question on abortion

[mikew262]

Rand Al'Thor:

Peace be with you!

I have never walked in Ted Bundy’s shoes. I have never walked in Charles Manson’s shoes. I have never walked in Hitler’s shoes. Neither have you, but I guarantee you would condemn what they did. You don’t have to “walk in someone’s shoes” to know that what they are doing or did is wrong.

A friend of mine (I’ve know him for about 7 years) has two children and he is not married (no, I don’t approve of this, but he is still my friend). He loves both of his children. I only know the mother of one of the children and she loves their son very much. Only my friend is working and he does construction work and doesn’t get paid very much for it. The mother stays home with their son. This couple would have been the perfect “candidates” for abortion because they are unmarried and not in a great financial situation. But they are accepting what happened and it is obvious both of them are very glad to have the child. My friend’s father, who is also a very good friend of mine, doesn’t approve of this (sex outside of marriage) but he still loves his grandchildren and would have never even suggested abortion.

So no, I have not personally walked in someone’s shoes that is in a situation that pro-choicers would say needs an abortion. But, I have not walked in a serial killer’s or a rapist’s shoes either. I can still condemn what they did as evil, just as I can condemn abortion as evil. I don’t NEED to walk in their shoes to say that something violates God’s law. God’s law was not meant to apply only to certain situations.

In Christ,
Rand

In the situation you described above, I would not approve of abortion either. I have a very narrow scope where I think abortion might be considered; this situation wouldn’t fit.

 

[luvmykids]

mikew262:

I have a very narrow scope where I think abortion might be considered; this situation wouldn’t fit.

Well, that’s your own rule, not God’s. What’s more important?

 

[mlchance]

mikew262:

BTW, pro-choice does not equal pro-abortion.

A distinction without a difference. The end result is the same: Women are still allowed to kill their unborn children.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[mikew262]

mlchance:

A distinction without a difference. The end result is the same: Women are still allowed to kill their unborn children.

– Mark L. Chance.

In your opinion. However, some would say, as men, we don’t have a dog in this hunt anyway.

 

[mommabearwtts]

I know all to well about being raped also. My brother raped me when I was 5 yrs old! It defenatley has changed my life in more aweful ways then one…but I have finally forgave my brother for his sin…even though Ireally don’t call him by “brother anymore” or be around him or don’t really care how he is…but I asked the Lord’s help in letting me live my life in peace and move on…even though the scars and trama and everthing else that happend will never go away I understand everyone’s point of view and their feelings. I just have to pray that my daughter will never have to go through any of that…I have to believe…I have to trust in HIM! My thoughts and prayers are with ya’ll

 

[estesbob]

mikew262:

In your opinion. However, some would say, as men, we don’t have a dog in this hunt anyway.

And those who said it would be wrong

 

[mikew262]

luvmykids:

Well, that’s your own rule, not God’s. What’s more important?

Good question! To say other than God, would be stupid. Good food for thought.

However, one would hope somebody making this type of decision would do so after much prayer and personal conversation with God.

Only he and the person making the decision would know if it was the right one or not.

 

[mikew262]

estesbob:

And those who said it would be wrong

Maybe, maybe not.

 

[estesbob]

mikew262:

Good question! To say other than God, would be stupid. Good food for thought.

However, one would hope somebody making this type of decision would do so after much prayer and personal conversation with God.

Only he and the person making the decision would know if it was the right one or not.

HMMM-so you competely dismiss Church teachings from the equation??? Since our Church’s teachngs on this issue is crytsal clear we already know what decison is the right one.

 

[johnq]

Catholic mommy:

I’m with Jonah, so is my husband. Although we believe abortion is murder and wrong, we simply could not let our 11 year old daughter go through with a pregnancy.

Would this be a merciful way to treat your daughter?


Why not find out from women who have had an abortion.

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[FCEGM]

mikew262:

Good question! To say other than God, would be stupid. Good food for thought.

However, one would hope somebody making this type of decision would do so after much prayer and personal conversation with God.

Only he and the person making the decision would know if it was the right one or not.

No. God already has told us what the right decision is, so there is no need to pray to know the answer, only to have the strength to act accordingly.

 

[FCEGM]

mikew262:

In your opinion. However, some would say, as men, we don’t have a dog in this hunt anyway.

That’s a pure cop-out. I don’t think you were excused from the human race.

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

mikew262:

In the situation you described above, I would not approve of abortion either. I have a very narrow scope where I think abortion might be considered; this situation wouldn’t fit.

Peace be with you!

That was my point. You don’t approve of abortion “in [this] situation” but you approve of it in others. YOU ARE APPROVING OF **MURDER **in certain situations. How can you do that??? You say that abortion is murder and you abhor it, and yet you APPROVE OF IT!!! Either you’re against abortion or you’re not. You can’t situationalize something like murder.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[AugustineFL]

mikew262:

Its so easy to condemn when you are looking at it from the outside.

While the whole situation is tragic, I wonder if anybody who has condemned this abortion would think differently if it was their daughter, or themselves if they became pregnant from a violent rape.

As a general rule, I condemn abortion as well, however, in cases like this, I pause.

Honestly I think a lot of people may pause or ‘think differently’ if it happened to their daughter. However, that person needs to see the temptations and suggestions of Satan for what they are. If Satan tempts someone into thinking this ‘exception’ for abortion is alright then we need to resist the evil one and pray to Jesus, Mary, St. Michael and all the angles and saints asking for the strength to withstand the devil.

Holy Mary Mother of God who humbled himself and became a foetus for us, pray for us and for and end to the evil of abortion.

 

[AugustineFL]

mikew262:

Yes, but it still holds true.

BTW, pro-choice does not equal pro-abortion.

Are ‘pro-choice’ people for a woman’s right to murder their unborn child? If the answer is yes than it is indeed ‘pro-abortion’…that is to say ‘for abortion’. If you think abortion is an option that you are for it.

mikew262:

get so tired of hearing that! Its just Pro-lifer propaganda. The vast majority I think personally oppose abortion, however they feel the choice shouldn’t be legislated/adjudicated away.

mikew262:

That’s, to put it bluntly, a load of ****. If you ‘personally oppose murder’ but don’t mind if your neighbour has a right to murder someone that is inconvenient…say her other neighbour, you, her 10 year old child or her unborn child then the person is not ‘personally opposed to murder’ at all. They are very pro murder for thinking others should have a right to also murder

mikew262:

I don’t want to get into a drawn out discussion about pro-life vs. pro-choice philosophies, so as Forrest Gump would say, “that’s all I’ve got to say about that”.

I suggest you ask Our Lady for assistance with this to help you change your mind about supporting such a satanic evil if you are ‘pro-choice to murder babies’.

I mean it…spend time in front of the blessed sacrament and pray the rosary asking for help in accepting the Churches teaching; we are called to believe the truth even if we don’t understand it. We can pray and study for understanding, but we have to assent to the truth no matter what.

 

[AugustineFL]

mikew262:

Having the child quite possibly is the right decision, but I certainly wouldn’t condemn the alternative. Unless you’ve walked in that person’s shoes…

Truth is not relative…it is right to condemn sin. We can’t damn a person; that is up to god to damn and to save. But we can point out when a sin is a damnable offence AND SHOULD! Abortion is extremely evil. It attracts the presence of demons. The ‘pro-abort’ crowd has many lies to sell; their father is the father of all lies. The lies of the ‘pro-choice’ crowd are the vitriolic lies of Satan.

By your standard I’d have to ask if you think you have the right to question a mother who decided she wasn’t ready for a 5 year old and used her ‘women’s right to choose’ to kill her 5 year old. The only honest answer you could give is that yes she should have that right. Anything else would not be logical. Either there is a rightful alternative to murder someone or there isn’t.

By God’s law there is no right to murder. In fact to murder or support a murder will send an unrepentant person to hell!

 

[AugustineFL]

mikew262:

BTW, just for the record, I abhor abortion as a general rule. However, to save a mother’s life and possibly (I’m torn on this) in the cases of rape or incest, there should be exceptions.

If you abhor murder as a general rule but think there should be exceptions to the rule than you don’t really abhor murder.

 

[AugustineFL]

mikew262:

Dismiss? However, my somewhat open-minded point of view on this subject was dismissed as well.

Your right. Because your view is a lie from the pit of hell. Not my words…that is a truth.

mikew262:

For someone to get an abortion simply because it’s not convenient to be pregnant, is truly repugnant and wrong to me.

Why? Either murder is evil or it isn’t. So either it’s okay for a women to want to tear the limbs from her child and murder it or it’s not. Whilst we’re at it, either it’s alright for a mother (or anyones else) to kill her child (or anyone else) or it isn’t.

mikew262:

Condemn if you must.

Evil must be condemned for what it is.

 

[AugustineFL]

estesbob:

HMMM-so you competely dismiss Church teachings from the equation??? Since our Church’s teachngs on this issue is crytsal clear we already know what decison is the right one.

Yup, looks like he has. He’s decided to say ‘non servium’ along with the father of lies.

 

[estesbob]

AugustineFL:

Yup, looks like he has. He’s decided to say ‘non servium’ along with the father of lies.

He has an very low opinion of pro-life advocates for one who supposedly is “mostly” pro-life. Has refered to us as “propogandists” and our comments as “pro-life babble”. Reading his posts in other threads it would be fair to infer Mike is liberal and i suspect with abortion he has run into the problem manyLiberals who want to practice their faith do-the Church’s teachings disagree profoundly with the stance of the Political party they support. So although he swears he is pro-life(with a couple of “exceptions”) he can barely hide his contmept for those “neathandral conservatives” who oppose abortion with NO exceptions.

My Mother is one of those Liberals who have balanced being Democrat and adhering to the teachings of the Church. She is 80 now and it is “fun” to see someone spout rationalizations for any abortion in front of her. My Mother was born in 1926. My Grandmother was told that having my Mother would kill her and that she was strongly encouraged to have an abortion to save her life. She told her Doctor (and I quote) “go to hell”

Grandma died at the age of 84.